Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[Chemist1422]

I'm not (currently) saying your posts are scummy I just don't like your attitude towards the other players in the game

But if you want a full explanation, let's see

You have no reason to be claiming Mason as VT here, since your intent was clearly to get me lynched, and not to create WIFOM like pops's claim was

You also perspective slipped that I wasn't Mason by saying I was "probably" scum, and it doesn't make sense for you to say if you think I could be VT, or else you wouldn't counterclaim me

I also think you aren't actively evaluating your reads and are just spewing the same thing over and over again

[Hectic]

VoteCount 6.6

RVS Award for

Earliest Solve

goes to...

VOTE: GuiltyLion

guys I have a N0 guilty, wagon this

2ez

VOTE: GUILTYlion

whats up

mafmen confirmed guiltylion partner

Cat Scratch Fever [2]

- popsofctown, Klick

TrueSoulEnergy [1]

- Chemist1422

Not Voting [5]

- Miss Lynch, Cat Scratch Fever, Auro, Sujimichi, TrueSoulEnergy

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-10 10:40:24)

[Auro]

Oh man.

[Auro]

Hectic you gotta be clear if that's a VC filler or a shot

[Chemist1422]

whynotboth.gif

[Auro]

Hmm. Just in case, lynch Pops if I can't post anymore, please and ty

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not (currently) saying your posts are scummy I just don't like your attitude towards the other players in the game

But if you want a full explanation, let's see

You have no reason to be claiming Mason as VT here, since your intent was clearly to get me lynched, and not to create WIFOM like pops's claim was

You also perspective slipped that I wasn't Mason by saying I was "probably" scum, and it doesn't make sense for you to say if you think I could be VT, or else you wouldn't counterclaim me

I also think you aren't actively evaluating your reads and are just spewing the same thing over and over again

You weren’t the vote?
Suji was....

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ML was the one wanting to lynch you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hmm. Just in case, lynch Pops if I can't post anymore, please and ty

:/ Shhhh.

[Chemist1422]

oh yeah auro is probably just not s/s with suji for presumably obvious reasons

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler:

see that's a level of thinking I'm incapable of at 7:30 AM

I was just thinking "suji was the counterwagon to cheeky so suji is town and klick/auro has a scum"

OK YEAH

I CALLED IT AND IM LAUGHING

POPS, SUJI and CHEMIST ARE OPEN WOLFING AND USING THEIR LAST HOPE AND DEFENDING EACH OTHER!

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

More and More reason why Auro is Town.

The proof just keeps on coming.

@Mafia (3 out of Chemist, Pops, Suji, ML)
Maybe if you all defend each other you could have a chance.
LOL no, your all fucked.
I just want a laugh.

So Chemist, Suji and Pops are the Team.
Good to know.
We need some Villian Names.

What’s you thinking Swift Deity?

I agree that most energy can be faked by a competent enough player. The problem I'm trying to overcome is whether or not you'd have the motivation to fake it.

All you have to do is believe in the SUPERSQUAD.
If you believe in it your answers simple.

The Villans are Suji, Pops and Chemist.

All you have to do Blood Wiplasher is Vote with us and get rid of these filthy Villains.

You're ok with Suji, pops, or Chemist today, Auro?

Why wouldn’t he be?
It’s the Villain team.

Do you want to lynch Pops first (even though I know you probably wanna lynch Chemist first)
Because I really wanna lynch Pops first.

Fine you know what I'm not dealing with another TSE tunnel and I have to take myself out of the PoE somehow

I'm the last mason

I doubt this.

Because I’m the Last Mason.

Because I’m the Last Mason.

VOTE: TSE

Cool

If you're VT this is essentially gamethrowing

Otherwise you just outed as scum

Nah your scum trying to hide behind a Mason Claim.
If your really Mason you would have been shot.

yep guys TSE totally didn't wanna lynch me

[Chemist1422]

btw pops remind me to talk pokemon with you sometime not during this game

[Auro]

oh yeah auro is probably just not s/s with suji for presumably obvious reasons

And yet, Pops thought this was a legitimate possibility, and when I contested her on it she said she isn't good at pre-flip associatives or whatever.
Do you think it's a genuine town!Pops belief?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think there's credit to her being one of the only people with a legitimate scumread on Cheeky. There's not much partner equity there.

I don't really think this is a valid reason to rule out their interactions as SvS. I think it's easier for scum to come up with a scumread on their own partner because it's a read they definitely don't have to fabricate. What did you think about Cheeky placing two naked votes on pops without much progression?

As for her drunkposting, I admit I do kind of see where you're coming at there. I think she has been very verbose this game, and I initially townread her partially because of it. But looking back, a lot of her posting is conversational and I don't actually agree with the content of her pushes all that much.

I think Suji/CSF/ML is probably a fairly good solve but I can't settle on an Auro read, and a mislynch greatly favors Auro-scum.

A solve with me and Suji in it is kind of weird. Even if this is a simply PoE kind of solve, what do you think of my interactions with Suji? Do they not rule us out as scum together in the same way that you ruled pops and Cheeky out as SvS?

[Chemist1422]

oh yeah auro is probably just not s/s with suji for presumably obvious reasons

And yet, Pops thought this was a legitimate possibility, and when I contested her on it she said she isn't good at pre-flip associatives or whatever.
Do you think it's a genuine town!Pops belief?

ask me again when it's not 10:30

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

let's build a coalition
of people
who realize
that everyone just posted a gajillion pages of team configuration speccing
and CSF's name mysteriously went unmentioned
despite no one having any reason whatsoever to write her off as town
only Chemist actually included her
because he brute force mentioned every possible scumteam from a town!chemist pov
he is the best fake mason to ever not have to ask hectic for a mason pt link and get sorely disappointed
during my catchup I started a little earlier into stuff I had already read and I realized engaging CSF about Auro go interpreted as a yes/no answer
because she is scum minimizing her interactions
I think this lynch can actually happen because half of these 3 card teams people are making up are scum deliberately excluding her from even touching namedrop and half are people who are not townreading her so much they forget she's in this game and those people can vote with me and then the first group of people will feel uncomfortable and vote with me and we will have something beautiful
VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

My townread on Auro hasn't changed; I haven't seen convincing new arguments brought up as to why he is scum so i have had no reason to re-assess.

I agree with a lot of his pushes and the reasons he put forth behind them, I like his engagement and urging me to reconsider Cheeky/pops interactions, and I remember him playing peacemaker between ML and TSE who I both think are town pending catch up. The only one that maybe gave me pause is that he is good at playing scum and has acknowledged as much himself. But I don't think this is the right time to go paranoia lynching your townreads.

What I'm really wondering right now is this: was there a reason why you asked me if I had changed my read on Auro in particular? Did you expect something in the thread to have triggered a reassessment of my read there?

Also can you point out which of my posts stood out as IIoA to you?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

CSF has been pushed confirmed by scum.

Cheeky placed a vote on CSF very shortly before she blew herself up. Her vote was a lot weaker than the other CSF votes at the time. I see no reason it couldn't have been a bus.

I mean, shouldn't this apply to pops even more so?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

soft-pushes

I mean you've kinda answered your own question

At no point has there been sufficient pressure on CSF to justify a shot.

On that note, it's much more surprising that Chem-scum wouldn't have shot by now.

Not really, he's not really under any lynch pressure anymore as of this post.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spoiler:

see that's a level of thinking I'm incapable of at 7:30 AM

I was just thinking "suji was the counterwagon to cheeky so suji is town and klick/auro has a scum"

OK YEAH

I CALLED IT AND IM LAUGHING

POPS, SUJI and CHEMIST ARE OPEN WOLFING AND USING THEIR LAST HOPE AND DEFENDING EACH OTHER!

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

More and More reason why Auro is Town.

The proof just keeps on coming.

@Mafia (3 out of Chemist, Pops, Suji, ML)
Maybe if you all defend each other you could have a chance.
LOL no, your all fucked.
I just want a laugh.

So Chemist, Suji and Pops are the Team.
Good to know.
We need some Villian Names.

What’s you thinking Swift Deity?

I agree that most energy can be faked by a competent enough player. The problem I'm trying to overcome is whether or not you'd have the motivation to fake it.

All you have to do is believe in the SUPERSQUAD.
If you believe in it your answers simple.

The Villans are Suji, Pops and Chemist.

All you have to do Blood Wiplasher is Vote with us and get rid of these filthy Villains.

You're ok with Suji, pops, or Chemist today, Auro?

Why wouldn’t he be?
It’s the Villain team.

Do you want to lynch Pops first (even though I know you probably wanna lynch Chemist first)
Because I really wanna lynch Pops first.

Fine you know what I'm not dealing with another TSE tunnel and I have to take myself out of the PoE somehow

I'm the last mason

I doubt this.

Because I’m the Last Mason.

Because I’m the Last Mason.

VOTE: TSE

Cool

If you're VT this is essentially gamethrowing

Otherwise you just outed as scum

Nah your scum trying to hide behind a Mason Claim.
If your really Mason you would have been shot.

yep guys TSE totally didn't wanna lynch me

Never said I wasn’t going to eventually.
Yes you were in PoE.
Yes I probably would have voted you and probably still will after 2 Mafia die.
But at that time I was pushing Suji.
You shouldn’t have felt inclined to believe I was wanting to lynch you today.
It should have been clear my vote was on Suji.

So while I understand your thought here. It’s WRONG.
You need to relook.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

btw pops remind me to talk pokemon with you sometime not during this game

Where did this come from?

[Auro]

Where did this come from?

Absol-utely the Absol thing.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

soft-pushes

I mean you've kinda answered your own question

At no point has there been sufficient pressure on CSF to justify a shot.

On that note, it's much more surprising that Chem-scum wouldn't have shot by now.

Not really, he's not really under any lynch pressure anymore as of this post.

Chances are if he’s not scum with Pops he’s probably trying to debait RN.
If he is. Then he’s probably trying to see if I’m
Legit or not.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Where did this come from?

Absol-utely the Absol thing.

Ah ok.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

This is the sequence of posts right after the Yshtola vig
I could easily see CheekyTeeky submitting a woodchuck kill because momentum seems to be building towards CSF. When things cooled down later on, I don't think she'd be allowed to rescind it, or really knowing Cheeky I wouldn't see her being eager to exercise that kind of right. She wasn't even active during the later activity you keep focusing on, she was active during this chunk of time.
Submitting a kill at this time makes the entire town need to re-evaluate on a partner she thinks is in such bad standing she needs to bus.
Can't you at least see this point?

No, because after she submitted the woodchuck kill, no one else added their vote on me.

Yet she probably submitted the 4th kill as well, and why would she do that if her goal was to use the shot to swing attention away from me? Isn't it more likely she just felt like she found the masonry and submitted shots when she felt confident enough to do so?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm like so close to catching up but I need a break. I will be back within a couple of hours.