Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[Titus]

Unless you need a primer on what good cop bad cop is, I feel like I explained it well enough.

People can have tip of their tongue thoughts that we can't articulate.

@Homura, I am not so sure I agree this is outside TSE's scumgames.

i understand good cop/bad cop perfectly fine and yes you explained well enough so thats why this...
"Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest."
... doesn't make sense to me. Why were you unable to lay out good cop/bad cop to phoenix then? what about that wouldn't be clear?

Sometimes it takes a second for the brain to catch up with the gut.

[Crush]

Ok I've somewhat caught up, haven't really got the chance to really analyze everything but I guess that will have to wait until D2 or later. So far I actually quite dislike a lot of slots, of which I dislike Cheeky the most. Cheeky, would you say that you are someone that's easy to convince/too agreeable? Because you have voted for a lot of players D1 and to me it feels like you're trying to catch every wave that might hit the shore. Do you really think LL's post was that good to immediately let go of your Titus vote?

The Homura slot had a lot of posts I can't really place in the early pages, a lot of fluff and I also really hate meta arguments especially in a noobie game. Tapio slot had some questionable posts and seems also easily swayed. Karnage is still kinda whatever to me. I do like the #201 but I dislike the fixedness in his reads, still I've seen some town players do this in the games I've played years ago and since I still do like the effort and analysis LL is a town lean for now. To me the Phoenix slot isn't that noteworthy right now, which make the early TR other players have given him (before like pag 10'ish, I will have to look up later who exactly these players were) strange to me. The only minor thing I dislike in this slot is the seriousness he used in approaching my slot. TSE feels meh to me, I didn't particularly like the 'mafioso' thing and I think the constant formation of teams on D1 isn't that relevant, feels like a way to add to your postcount without really contributing. I like Titus the most aside from LL, mainly because of the early interactions regarding the 'gut vote' and the good cop bad cop thing.

So for me now: town leaning LL, Titus. Mafia leaning: Tapio, maybe Homura, maybe TSE but mainly VOTE: Cheeky

[CheekyTeeky]

Well at least I can understand Crush. You're probably town as newbies tend to scumread me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Phoenix is the second scum btw.

Great, you went from a null read on me in 221 to outright calling me scum in 228. What made you change your opinion so suddenly? There's literally an hour and a half between the two posts. I doubt my 224 is the thing that swayed you. If you are straight up calling someone scum, you might as well explain why. I'm not buying the whole "I don't wanna split the wagon" thing. The desire to quickly lynch someone and move on to D2 also doesn't make much sense. Considering that 1 or even 2 people are about to be replaced, wouldn't it be a better idea to wait for them first? I mean, you either want active players and will wait for the replacements or you just want to get this day over with, you cannot have it both ways.

VOTE: LL

This is an average vote.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Cheeky: Could you elaborate a bit more on your readslist in 223?

Same goes for TSE's townreads.

And LL's "scumbucket".

Sure:

Tap's initial reactions to their wagon was fine. They have posts that look like town sorting with no real agenda or attempt to look towny.
LL had a great entrance and again looks like she is sorting the game. Im not a fan of her predecessor but I think in general it reads like she doesn't know peoples alignments.
Phoenix just reads pure, the frustrated tone is pretty hard to fake as scum ime.

I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.

It's funny that Titus and I have similar reads yet we scumread each other. I'm probably least confident in my read there.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky, would you say that you are someone that's easy to convince/too agreeable? Because you have voted for a lot of players D1 and to me it feels like you're trying to catch every wave that might hit the shore. Do you really think LL's post was that good to immediately let go of your Titus vote?

The voting thing is my way of sorting, I'm predominantly a reaction test player. Im not really a fan of you accusing me of trying to lynch everyone when it's pretty obvious that's not what im doing. I have been accused of both tunnelling and voting too much which is lol.

I feel like you're asking leading questions that are intended to be rhetorical.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m liking Titus enthusiasm this game.
LL had a Townie entrance
Phoenix is contributioning quite a bit. In a more Townie way then scummy.
Tap’s interaction with me felt Genuine Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Cheeky: Could you elaborate a bit more on your readslist in 223?

Same goes for TSE's townreads.

And LL's "scumbucket".

Sure:

Tap's initial reactions to their wagon was fine. They have posts that look like town sorting with no real agenda or attempt to look towny.
LL had a great entrance and again looks like she is sorting the game. Im not a fan of her predecessor but I think in general it reads like she doesn't know peoples alignments.
Phoenix just reads pure, the frustrated tone is pretty hard to fake as scum ime.

I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.

It's funny that Titus and I have similar reads yet we scumread each other. I'm probably least confident in my read there.

I mean we also have similar reads.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think there playing in their scum meta.

LL is Town.

I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205

Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSE

having no WIM

because he's

scum here.

VOTE: TSE

LL is this your first game of mafia?

@CheekyTeeky

Elaborate on Bolded.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Re-read last night and digested a bit.

Think LL is hard-tunneling town. TSE is town. Cheeky is town. Titus is maybe town, but nebulous. QQ/Crush might be town, but I want to see content I can actually parse.

Earlier Phoenix townlean might be wrong. Lynchpool of {Karnage, Tapioca!slot, Phoenix}. Low confidence on most reads.

Could you elaborate on your Cheeky read?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok I've somewhat caught up, haven't really got the chance to really analyze everything but I guess that will have to wait until D2 or later. So far I actually quite dislike a lot of slots, of which I dislike Cheeky the most. Cheeky, would you say that you are someone that's easy to convince/too agreeable? Because you have voted for a lot of players D1 and to me it feels like you're trying to catch every wave that might hit the shore. Do you really think LL's post was that good to immediately let go of your Titus vote?

The Homura slot had a lot of posts I can't really place in the early pages, a lot of fluff and I also really hate meta arguments especially in a noobie game. Tapio slot had some questionable posts and seems also easily swayed. Karnage is still kinda whatever to me. I do like the #201 but I dislike the fixedness in his reads, still I've seen some town players do this in the games I've played years ago and since I still do like the effort and analysis LL is a town lean for now. To me the Phoenix slot isn't that noteworthy right now, which make the early TR other players have given him (before like pag 10'ish, I will have to look up later who exactly these players were) strange to me. The only minor thing I dislike in this slot is the seriousness he used in approaching my slot. TSE feels meh to me, I didn't particularly like the 'mafioso' thing and I think the constant formation of teams on D1 isn't that relevant, feels like a way to add to your postcount without really contributing. I like Titus the most aside from LL, mainly because of the early interactions regarding the 'gut vote' and the good cop bad cop thing.

So for me now: town leaning LL, Titus. Mafia leaning: Tapio, maybe Homura, maybe TSE but mainly VOTE: Cheeky

I mean.
This is a good entrance.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah.
My vote on either Cheeky or Karnage today.

I don’t feel comfortable lynching anyone else today.

[Crush]

Well at least I can understand Crush. You're probably town as newbies tend to scumread me.

Also don't like this, saw someone post something along the lines of 'why would we lynch you (SE) instead of going for noobies, didnt like that either. Its a really easy way to completely kill what someone is saying, it might be true in a sense but it isnt cooperative at all.

Cheeky, would you say that you are someone that's easy to convince/too agreeable? Because you have voted for a lot of players D1 and to me it feels like you're trying to catch every wave that might hit the shore. Do you really think LL's post was that good to immediately let go of your Titus vote?

The voting thing is my way of sorting, I'm predominantly a reaction test player. Im not really a fan of you accusing me of trying to lynch everyone when it's pretty obvious that's not what im doing. I have been accused of both tunnelling and voting too much which is lol.

I feel like you're asking leading questions that are intended to be rhetorical.

Yes the first one is definitely a leading question, and probably not a very informative one. As for the partial answered 2nd question, could you give your thoughts on the reactions your votes have given you? Who do you want to lynch?

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.09

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

CheekyTeeky

(3): Tapiocaphobe, TrueSoulEnergy, Crush

TrueSoulEnergy

(2): LuckyLuciano, CheekyTeeky

LuckyLuciano

(2): Homura, Ph0enix

Titus

(1): Karnage

Karnage

(1): Titus

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-07 22:45:00).

Mod notes:

Crush is the new QuantumQuasar. Tapiocaphobe is being replaced for inactivity. If they post content before I find someone, they can stay.[/area]

[Homura]

@Homura, Sure I can. Be forewarned that I consider meta to be the weakest of arguments and I feel TSE is town, so feel free to disagree here especially. Others rely on meta. Each person has their own play.

However, I feel TSE is lacking a certain engagement and drive that he has as town. That's why I feel he's not a top town read. I still think he's town but not as town as LL or Phoenix.

Don't normally meta-read either but I made an exception for this case, since TSE's liable to make posts of questionable logic as either alignment. And think the lack of drive can be said for nearly everyone in the game and TSE feels relatively engaged in comparison, which is why he's my top townread. Cheeky's a townread for similar reasons but has some off-tone posts.

What do you make of Phoenix's 252?

P-edit: Bless you, Plot

[Homura]

Ok I've somewhat caught up, haven't really got the chance to really analyze everything but I guess that will have to wait until D2 or later. So far I actually quite dislike a lot of slots, of which I dislike Cheeky the most. Cheeky, would you say that you are someone that's easy to convince/too agreeable? Because you have voted for a lot of players D1 and to me it feels like you're trying to catch every wave that might hit the shore. Do you really think LL's post was that good to immediately let go of your Titus vote?

The Homura slot had a lot of posts I can't really place in the early pages, a lot of fluff and I also really hate meta arguments especially in a noobie game. Tapio slot had some questionable posts and seems also easily swayed. Karnage is still kinda whatever to me. I do like the #201 but I dislike the fixedness in his reads, still I've seen some town players do this in the games I've played years ago and since I still do like the effort and analysis LL is a town lean for now. To me the Phoenix slot isn't that noteworthy right now, which make the early TR other players have given him (before like pag 10'ish, I will have to look up later who exactly these players were) strange to me. The only minor thing I dislike in this slot is the seriousness he used in approaching my slot. TSE feels meh to me, I didn't particularly like the 'mafioso' thing and I think the constant formation of teams on D1 isn't that relevant, feels like a way to add to your postcount without really contributing. I like Titus the most aside from LL, mainly because of the early interactions regarding the 'gut vote' and the good cop bad cop thing.

So for me now: town leaning LL, Titus. Mafia leaning: Tapio, maybe Homura, maybe TSE but mainly VOTE: Cheeky

How is my making meta arguments scum-indicative? Especially when it was perfectly applicable in the context I presented it in?

[Homura]

Don't like this entrance in general. Half of your reads are nullreads and you're sheeping the main wagon. Your reluctance to take stances on your reads is off.

Do you think Phoenix's approach to your slot is scum-indicative?

[Homura]

Re-read last night and digested a bit.

Think LL is hard-tunneling town. TSE is town. Cheeky is town. Titus is maybe town, but nebulous. QQ/Crush might be town, but I want to see content I can actually parse.

Earlier Phoenix townlean might be wrong. Lynchpool of {Karnage, Tapioca!slot, Phoenix}. Low confidence on most reads.

Could you elaborate on your Cheeky read?

Feel she's trying to sort and has been the most transparent spot in the game. She's elaborating on her reads and answering questions. Significant in a stagnant gamestate where it would be opportune for scum to blend in. Reads are in conflict, but considering the lack of content from most players that's to be expected.

[Homura]

I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.

What's your read of me, Cheeky?

[Homura]

I’m liking Titus enthusiasm this game.
LL had a Townie entrance
Phoenix is contributioning quite a bit. In a more Townie way then scummy.
Tap’s interaction with me felt Genuine Town.

Same question for you.

[Homura]

Karnage, what are your reads outside of Titus?

[Homura]

Sorry if I'm interrogating.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also don't like this, saw someone post something along the lines of 'why would we lynch you (SE) instead of going for noobies, didnt like that either. Its a really easy way to completely kill what someone is saying, it might be true in a sense but it isnt cooperative at all.

How am I not cooperating? It's an actual thing that people who don't know me vote and me early are greater than rand town. I actually differentiated between two newbies in a recent newbie game I stomped because of their approaches to me. I liked you going for me at first but now it just feels like you're attempting to steam roll me based on the suspicion already surrounding my slot.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes the first one is definitely a leading question, and probably not a very informative one. As for the partial answered 2nd question, could you give your thoughts on the reactions your votes have given you? Who do you want to lynch?

I townread Tap's approach to me and have already talked about how I didn't like Titus and TSEs reactions to my pushes there.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.

What's your read of me, Cheeky?

I didn't even know you existed until now so null.