Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

[Wooper]

omg thank you! And yes I've also been playing since around '08! (I'm new to mafiascum though)

that explains a lot - welcome.

[Wooper]

hmm
I'm a filthy Australian so I'll likely be asleep for deadline

you're friends with osie.. wonder if we've met offsite. forum mafia is a small world. I also moonlight as a duckling.

I think I'm like, fairly appropriate to flip, so if this lynch falls on me I won't lose any sleep but I do think it's generally pretty bad

Elmo is pretty obvtown.
I suppose STRQ have what I'd call ~town equity~ but they're nor actually very towny so keep them under a magnifying glass

ame/implosion can work out mech stuff between them

pops is slippery this game

SS knows exactly how he looks; so does implosion I think; latter more likely town

looker is kinda like fine if his scumrange is actually tiny lol

Ame's posting last page is like, okish for a d1 pass but not super super towny. it's definitely engineered to look good and I doubt they'll disagree with that assessment. the core read is that on looker + the PoE and I think those reads are like fairly good but the looker t/read is pretty easy if the meta thing is true

glgl

[Wooper]

who can be sorted through heaven ugh

don't use it for e.g. ss

use it for town/deepwolf level slots

heavenlynching LCpL Jones/Korina hydra in the last Purgatory won the game for us. lol they were an incredibly deep wolf (utr) and without them there was some minor tvt but the game suddenly became PoEable

[popsofctown]

who has powerful deepwolf strength in this list wooper?

[Wooper]

hmm if I were scum I wouldn't be very deep
Elmo is probably actually just town
maybe answer that tomorrow

[Wooper]

I'd say maybe you if your posting continues on an upwards trajectory

[popsofctown]

bzzt I'm bad at scum

[Wooper]

I've

scum

masoned with you berry recently, lovely, and you are very far from bad at scum. I knew I could get away with cheeky shit that game because you were the most likely to endgame for nearly the entire game.

[implosion]

ya i just still don't see anything that makes me want to not flip amrun. shrug.

Ame spending like, an absurd amount of effort to justify Looker-Town is like, a little weird? I don't think it's the most uh, controversial viewpoint? Looker has no votes. Idk. It's an easy thing to talk a lot about sure but I'm not sure why Ame chose to put so much goddamn time into it in particular.

[popsofctown]

I don't see the scum incentive implo. Empirically that kind of "massive effort but like is that really the thing you should aim the massive effort at" has been NAI or TI when I've seen it (recently Asriel Dreemurr in a micro)

[implosion]

the scum incentive is that they're genuine arguments that are easy to make, and that you can look engaged while making because it's the kind of thing you genuinely enjoy talking about as town, and it looks nice on paper.

[Wooper]

the scum incentive is that they're genuine arguments that are easy to make, and that you can look engaged while making because it's the kind of thing you genuinely enjoy talking about as town, and it looks nice on paper.

this is basically my concern w them rn

[implosion]

and now i'm sleeping and should be here a little bit before deadline but i'm not going to change because it's plurality and i'm stubborn like that!!

[popsofctown]

the scum incentive is that they're genuine arguments that are easy to make, and that you can look engaged while making because it's the kind of thing you genuinely enjoy talking about as town, and it looks nice on paper.

well, "on paper and in practice" if Looker is actually town, the double heavening i posited had a deliberate order

[Wooper]

the scum incentive is that they're genuine arguments that are easy to make, and that you can look engaged while making because it's the kind of thing you genuinely enjoy talking about as town, and it looks nice on paper.

well, "on paper and in practice" if Looker is actually town, the double heavening i posited had a deliberate order

fwiw I definitely clocked this

[popsofctown]

what do you mean by "clocked this"

[Ame]

I'm still awake and my shift starts in just a couple of hours :[

[Wooper]

what do you mean by "clocked this"

I like saw that as an unconditional part of what you posted

[Wooper]

I'm still awake and my shift starts in just a couple of hours :[

get some rest friend

[popsofctown]

I wanna give Ame a hug
in a way that makes him fall asleep

[Ame]

omg thank you! And yes I've also been playing since around '08! (I'm new to mafiascum though)

that explains a lot - welcome.

Thanks!

you're friends with osie.. wonder if we've met offsite. forum mafia is a small world. I also moonlight as a duckling.

I think osie is just everywhere (don't tell him I'm here it's a secret). I don't think we've played together, but I'm definitely aware of your quackery :3

it's definitely engineered to look good and I doubt they'll disagree with that assessment.

Not so much engineered as opening my black box? I'd very much prefer to just give one-liner reads and have everyone sheep me, but no one is ever down for that.

the scum incentive is that they're genuine arguments that are easy to make, and that you can look engaged while making because it's the kind of thing you genuinely enjoy talking about as town, and it looks nice on paper.

lol this comes off as...salty? tw too to a lesser extent. It's like I took two potenial MLes of the table and you're upset about / trying to doubt case it. If I had time to go through everybody, I would. As I said, I rely heavily on meta to gain an understanding of a person and I usually spend an absurd amount of time nitpicking the early pages and digging deep into each person's background. I just haven't had enough time to do so and I'm not confident in my reads until then. I TR pops but I'm not sure how much of that is giddiness from 388 and her overall welcomingness. I need to determine the extent of her manipulability as scum and whether or not some of the things that have town pinged me are within her scum range. Three of the hydra heads have given me town pings (particularly Summer), but wooper has made it clear that they are a power player, and I'm likely going to have to spend hours going through them. S_S is scummy but multiple people that have experience with him have expressed that he's within his town meta. Amrun has been a non-factor. I've seen some of her play before in passing, but nothing memorable. Both you and wooper have given me strong pings in both directions. I very much think your treating me like I've been here since day start is twice now is gross. Elmo I could go more into, but I don't see the value. Looker is the only one I could really thoroughly contribute on before the phase end. And like seriously, establishing a strong town core is the most important thing this game!

I'm still awake and my shift starts in just a couple of hours :[

get some rest friend

I wanna give Ame a hug
in a way that makes him fall asleep

Bye, foreal!

[popsofctown]

presuming Ame isn't what gets killed anyway:

-pls feed my natural narcissism and dive me next
I was both nommed for Don Corleone last year and megashaded for being shitty at scum amongst finalists and the way people read me is just like always fascinating in general
I mention the nom not because I deserve it, Oversoul is a troll, but I can tell you are nudged by curiosity and it will invoke your dive
this is super selfish
possibly to the point of gamethrow if you could metadive scum and find scum
but im drinking rn and like mafia is supposed to be fun etc
-i mindmelded on "lol salt that looker's not a free ML" but of the two parties I definitely pick wooper. might be confbias etc. But hed be the slot that's "is it ok to say this out loud?" because he said it second and also he's scummmy for other reasons
-I love u and the way u play mafia even if you're scum
-FTR so you know I think consensus on the scumranges of the players of the STRQ hydra would be Ank>Krazy>Enter>Taly(Summer>Qrow>Raven>Tai) with Taly being speculative because they haven't been on site for a long time and I think the time they were onsite coincided with my hiatus. This might help you sort maybe I hope.
-Cats are the best
-I'm out of hyphen points but I'm drnk and want to make more hyphen points instead of going to bed like a responsible adult
-Treating you like you've been here since daystart has been inexplicable and also made me super ??? since your readup progress seemed super explicit?
Also I'm like kind of realizing just right now that the graph you posted is a graph of a different game and you haven't necessarily efforted this game past "I've read all the posts in thsi game" and when I was previewing the post planning to read it :I told myself "this has .png filetype in it and therefore Ame has gone past reading all posts in the game" but that's not really true so I invite other townies to not make the same mistake except Dannflor he can make that mistake it's ok I love him no matter what he doest because if I was sad on a monday he would PM me a kitten gif

-I think towncores are valuable but even though it might be grumpy 08er bias I feel like ms meta is skewing too far south in not recognizing the value of accurate scumreads and how that can be good dayplay
-loki says i should get in bed gn

[Team STRQ]

I think my cold has been affecting my play more than I thought it did, so I'm tapping out until I'm not sick anymore

Sorry

-Summer

[Amrun]

Implosion, why is trying to engage with you like trying to engage my toddler in a game of chess? You say you’re bored but I open a dialogue and you drop it.

[Something_Smart]

I don't see the scum incentive implo. Empirically that kind of "massive effort but like is that really the thing you should aim the massive effort at" has been NAI or TI when I've seen it (recently Asriel Dreemurr in a micro)

I mean some people just ~effort~ as either alignment and as scum they need to find some things to ~effort~ about.