Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Menalque]

There is precisely zero reason for scum!me to claim masons within my first 5 posts

[Menalque]

Which I assume you would get if you thought about it for more than about 5 seconds

[Iconeum]

Which I assume you would get if you thought about it for more than about 5 seconds

wait ur actually serious about your claim?

[Menalque]

Obviously

[Menalque]

So can you now unvote me and say why lotus is scum

[Iconeum]

Icon why is lotus scum?

he backed my push on atarashi in a very fencestitting manner

then proceeded to not vote there

and when i voted him he responded in a very panicky way:

The point about Ico switching vote when and how he did is a pretty good one, in my opinion. Not just with Atarashi's "what about" argument, but it just doesn't flow coherently in context either. Asking for Atarashi's reasoning for why he thinks I'm scummy, getting an argument that does boil down to "if you think I'm scummy, then so are they" and then... Ico switches vote. With no further comment or explanation. On its own that rubs me as very off, but the greater context is even more telling. Namely, thanks to 7/2's initial jokevote, Ico's pushed me to -2.

Luckily any even halfway competent scum would not pounce on that at the start of D1, so like I don't feel threatened by it at all.

But, Ico, ol' buddy, ol' pal, do us all a favour here and explain yourself, yeah? You were looking pretty okay in my mind, but combining the immediate vote on Atarashi over something that is a good point but a weak case and then a naked vote following an argument that is fundamentally worse is, frankly, incredibly bad.

There's a couple points in there for which he could scumread me, but doesn't? His comment about not feeling threatened feels like the exact opposite. And the way he calls me his buddy, rubs me in the wrong way, guy.

[Iconeum]

Obviously

oh ok i'm sorry

can we lynch menal now plz?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

this is spicey for 8 pages

[Iconeum]

i'll die in the night, but yall' can lynch lotus tomorrow

[Menalque]

Stop doing this

It was useful when you were trying to WIFOM scum on who the PR is but it’s becoming increasingly less so the more that you make this about you and me and less about finding scum

[Menalque]

Lotus is kinda close to scum region but I’m not sure he’s in it

[Menalque]

Icon, atar, doobie — town
Clidd — probtown
Walrus — true null
Lotus — PoE
72, elmo — scum

[Iconeum]

Stop doing this

It was useful when you were trying to WIFOM scum on who the PR is but it’s becoming increasingly less so the more that you make this about you and me and less about finding scum

i would have accepted that you were shitposting

your insistence here is clear ur lying and i don't see any town motivation in that so

prepare your final will, the noose is coming

[Menalque]

Again, there is literally no reason for scum!me to claim masons so can you stop being dense

[Menalque]

It’s never worth it to trade 1-for-1 scum-for-town so scum!me would be making an objectively terrible decision

Not to mention that I’d be claiming something literally unconfirmable as scum thereby guaranteeing my lynch AND my partner’s lynch in the case of a CC

[Menalque]

So again, I appreciate you trying to draw the NK off me and that’s not a terrible play, but your focusing on this vs sorting is not helpful

[Iconeum]

Again, there is literally no reason for scum!me to claim masons so can you stop being dense

what's the town!you reason to claim masons?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Just going to call this like I do every game. Lists are worthless. This is turning into WIFOM from Mena.
Every post is looking worse then the last. Fake claim or not. I don't like it nor the reasoning
VOTE: Menal

The only gain to claim is protect the actual masons.

[Iconeum]

The only gain to claim is protect the actual masons.

only ur not protecting actual masons by claiming that because:

1) other masons will go FUCK HE LYING MUST BE SCUM LYNCHHHHH

2) menal doesn't know there are masons unless he actually is a mason. therefore he risks pinging other power roles, who will either CC him and push him, or investigate him at night which is usuless if menal is town, diverting power away from scum.

so yeah

this isn't town

[Elmo TeH AzN]

2. Is completely correct and gives scum more about the setup then they know.

[Iconeum]

i also thought his 'claim' was a nice little diversion away from lotus

[Iconeum]

literally the only option here is that he's actually mason, but i don't think he ever claims that so early

he's gonna have bigbrain plays with his mason buddy down the road, not use himself as a lightning rod

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't see how this is town sided at all. There was no pressure aside to kill that slot? Even all we do is get an IC for D2 if he isn't lying. But what about if he is and wanted to try this crazy gambit

[Menalque]

Excellent, so Elmo is outed scum from his reaction

[Menalque]

i also thought his 'claim' was a nice little diversion away from lotus

Yes, a diversion from my 3rd top scumread this is such a big brain play from scum!me

Fucking a, icon