You gotta be kidding me.In post 348, LuckyLuciano wrote:@Phoenix, who would you like to lynch this dp?
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It led to Norway accusing Map for his post he made when he joined the wagon.In post 347, LuckyLuciano wrote:
Elaborate.In post 339, Ph0enix wrote:
1976 started with a very early wagon and it's what got the game going. Granted, I was not there when it happened as I replaced, but still, form a Town POV I think Town managed to gain information from that.In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: What wagon from which game prompted this change in views? Is this the first game where you have decided that early wagons are valuable?
Norway's push led to people questioning him.
Which led to an exchange between the players.
Which led to post 75 in that game.
Which led to GBJ's questionable vote on Norway.
Norway's post during that time regarding the events above made people TR him.
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Why don't you try?In post 349, Ph0enix wrote:
If you think it needs explaining in the first place, I can't possibly explain it to you.In post 345, LuckyLuciano wrote:Spoiler:
Why is it that,In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:If you accuse me of being scum right out of the gate without providing reasoning and just simply claiming it, I'm voting you and you should not wonder why I'm voting you. Period.
If you think so, then perhaps if you really are town you should sit on the sideline and let more experienced town find the scum.In post 349, Ph0enix wrote:
Such questions won't help much, either.LuckyLuciano wrote: Answering questions for other people, or derailing those questions before they are answered, does not help the town.- LuckyLuciano
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@Phoenix, who would you like to lynch this dp?In post 350, Ph0enix wrote:
You gotta be kidding me.In post 348, LuckyLuciano wrote:@Phoenix, who would you like to lynch this dp?- LuckyLuciano
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This chain of events literally lead to a mislynch on DP1. You stated in a prior game that you dislike wagons because new players mishandle them and get misread as scum. And you are now citing a wagon, which was mishandled by a new player, which then led to that new player being lynched, as your inspiration for changing your views. Am I reading this correctly?In post 351, Ph0enix wrote:
It led to Norway accusing Map for his post he made when he joined the wagon.In post 347, LuckyLuciano wrote:
Elaborate.In post 339, Ph0enix wrote:
1976 started with a very early wagon and it's what got the game going. Granted, I was not there when it happened as I replaced, but still, form a Town POV I think Town managed to gain information from that.In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: What wagon from which game prompted this change in views? Is this the first game where you have decided that early wagons are valuable?
Norway's push led to people questioning him.
Which led to an exchange between the players.
Which led to post 75 in that game.
Which led to GBJ's questionable vote on Norway.
Norway's post during that time regarding the events above made people TR him.
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What sealed GBJ's fate that day had nothing to do with the fact that he was at L-2 before he even showed up. Seemingly, he couldn't care less about that. His reaction to another post is what escalated to an eventual lynch, nothing to do with the wagon itself. His vote was followed by: "the first sentence is sus to me because it seems sus"LuckyLuciano wrote: This chain of events literally lead to a mislynch on DP1. You stated in a prior game that you dislike wagons because new players mishandle them and get misread as scum. And you are now citing a wagon, which was mishandled by a new player, which then led to that new player being lynched, as your inspiration for changing your views. Am I reading this correctly?
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As of now, the one asking the question.In post 353, LuckyLuciano wrote:
@Phoenix, who would you like to lynch this dp?In post 350, Ph0enix wrote:
You gotta be kidding me.In post 348, LuckyLuciano wrote:@Phoenix, who would you like to lynch this dp?- LuckyLuciano
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Do you still believe that new players could make mistakes when facing a wagon on them that causes them to be misread as scum?
Do you believe that town can establish town cred without wagoning new players and putting them under the sort of pressure that, as you stated, could cause them to make mistakes and be misread as scum?
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Why?In post 356, Ph0enix wrote:
As of now, the one asking the question.In post 353, LuckyLuciano wrote:
@Phoenix, who would you like to lynch this dp?In post 350, Ph0enix wrote:
You gotta be kidding me.In post 348, LuckyLuciano wrote:@Phoenix, who would you like to lynch this dp?- LuckyLuciano
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Mistakes, probably. Harsh enough to be seen as scum? Not so sure.In post 357, LuckyLuciano wrote:Do you still believe that new players could make mistakes when facing a wagon on them that causes them to be misread as scum?
Do you believe that town can establish town cred without wagoning new players and putting them under the sort of pressure that, as you stated, could cause them to make mistakes and be misread as scum?
What is the value of town cred anyway?
I don't know.
Rephrase the question, please.- Ph0enix
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I'm not particularly fond of your push on me.LuckyLuciano wrote:
Why?In post 356, Ph0enix wrote: As of now, the one asking the question.
I don't know.LuckyLuciano wrote:In addition, if for some reason the moderator intervened and said I could not be lynched this dp, who would you lynch in my stead?- LuckyLuciano
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[/quote]In post 360, Ph0enix wrote:
Mistakes, probably. Harsh enough to be seen as scum? Not so sure.In post 357, LuckyLuciano wrote:Do you still believe that new players could make mistakes when facing a wagon on them that causes them to be misread as scum?
Do you believe that town can establish town cred without wagoning new players and putting them under the sort of pressure that, as you stated, could cause them to make mistakes and be misread as scum?
What is the value of town cred anyway?
I don't know.
Rephrase the question, please.
How do you define town cred, and why is it an important concept?
With what have we, 8ish days played and 360 posts made, the only thing that has happened thus far that has sparked any desire for a lynch as the day draws closer to its end is the fact that somebody thinks you are mafia? Nothing else has caught your eye? Nothing else stands out to you?In post 360, Ph0enix wrote:
Are you not fond of the fact that I made a push on you, or about the details of the push?In post 361, Ph0enix wrote:
I'm not particularly fond of your push on me.LuckyLuciano wrote:
Why?In post 356, Ph0enix wrote: As of now, the one asking the question.
In post 360, Ph0enix wrote:
I don't know.LuckyLuciano wrote:In addition, if for some reason the moderator intervened and said I could not be lynched this dp, who would you lynch in my stead?- LuckyLuciano
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I'm going to fix up that last post.
How do you define town cred, and why is it an important concept?In post 360, Ph0enix wrote:
Mistakes, probably. Harsh enough to be seen as scum? Not so sure.In post 357, LuckyLuciano wrote:Do you still believe that new players could make mistakes when facing a wagon on them that causes them to be misread as scum?
Do you believe that town can establish town cred without wagoning new players and putting them under the sort of pressure that, as you stated, could cause them to make mistakes and be misread as scum?
What is the value of town cred anyway?
I don't know.
Rephrase the question, please.
Are you not fond of the fact that I made a push on you, or about the details of the push?In post 360, Ph0enix wrote:In post 361, Ph0enix wrote:
I'm not particularly fond of your push on me.LuckyLuciano wrote:
Why?In post 356, Ph0enix wrote: As of now, the one asking the question.
With what have we, 8ish days played and 360 posts made, the only thing that has happened thus far that has sparked any desire for a lynch as the day draws closer to its end is the fact that somebody thinks you are mafia? Nothing else has caught your eye? Nothing else stands out to you?[/quote]In post 360, Ph0enix wrote:
I don't know.LuckyLuciano wrote:In addition, if for some reason the moderator intervened and said I could not be lynched this dp, who would you lynch in my stead?- LuckyLuciano
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@Phoenix, if you could address this, that would be great.
Why don't you try?In post 349, Ph0enix wrote:
If you think it needs explaining in the first place, I can't possibly explain it to you.In post 345, LuckyLuciano wrote:Spoiler:
Why is it that,In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:If you accuse me of being scum right out of the gate without providing reasoning and just simply claiming it, I'm voting you and you should not wonder why I'm voting you. Period.- Ph0enix
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1)You are Town and do this to get a reaction:In post 352, LuckyLuciano wrote:
Why don't you try?In post 349, Ph0enix wrote:
If you think it needs explaining in the first place, I can't possibly explain it to you.In post 345, LuckyLuciano wrote:Spoiler:
Why is it that,In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:If you accuse me of being scum right out of the gate without providing reasoning and just simply claiming it, I'm voting you and you should not wonder why I'm voting you. Period.
Scenario A) I ignore the vote and don't make much of it
Scenario B) I do what I did and vote you
So scenario A is NAI and scenario B can easily be misinterpreted, so I wouldn't rely on it, either.
2) You are Scum:
Scenario A) I ignore the vote and don't make much of it
Scenario B) I do what I did and vote you
Scenario 2 is still NAI, scenario B gives you a reason to start a push on me.
So you either gain no information, or start a push on me because of me voting you. I think there's better ways to gain information and judge someone than this one.
"If you think so, then perhaps if you really are town you should sit on the sideline and let more experienced town find the scum."
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"How do you define town cred, and why is it an important concept?"
Pass.
"With what have we, 8ish days played and 360 posts made, the only thing that has happened thus far that has sparked any desire for a lynch as the day draws closer to its end is the fact that somebody thinks you are mafia? Nothing else has caught your eye? Nothing else stands out to you?"
I'm a fan of NL instead of random lynch, so if I don't have enough information, which I don't, imo, I'd rather abstain.
"Are you not fond of the fact that I made a push on you, or about the details of the push?"
The latter. I don't mind people calling me out on my bullshit. There's not much for you to call me out on, that's the point.- Ph0enix
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First off, I didn't vote you, I just said you were scum without context in 228. Second, if I gain no information from a reaction test, that does mean the reaction test isn't worth trying. However, I do think your reaction is very curious. Are you claiming that you reacted by voting me as a reaction test to see if I would vote you back? Further, why do you care if somebody thinks you are scum?In post 365, Ph0enix wrote:
1)You are Town and do this to get a reaction:In post 352, LuckyLuciano wrote:
Why don't you try?In post 349, Ph0enix wrote:
If you think it needs explaining in the first place, I can't possibly explain it to you.In post 345, LuckyLuciano wrote:Spoiler:
Why is it that,In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:If you accuse me of being scum right out of the gate without providing reasoning and just simply claiming it, I'm voting you and you should not wonder why I'm voting you. Period.
Scenario A) I ignore the vote and don't make much of it
Scenario B) I do what I did and vote you
So scenario A is NAI and scenario B can easily be misinterpreted, so I wouldn't rely on it, either.
2) You are Scum:
Scenario A) I ignore the vote and don't make much of it
Scenario B) I do what I did and vote you
Scenario 2 is still NAI, scenario B gives you a reason to start a push on me.
So you either gain no information, or start a push on me because of me voting you. I think there's better ways to gain information and judge someone than this one.
"If you think so, then perhaps if you really are town you should sit on the sideline and let more experienced town find the scum."
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Why? How does not answering this question benefit the town?
We only discovered recently that an extension was being granted. At what point were you planning to advocate a no lynch? In particular, when Titus moved their vote to Cheeky, putting her at L-1, in 307, you questioned the motive. When she stated it was due to the deadline, why did you not begin advocating a no lynch?In post 366, Ph0enix wrote:"With what have we, 8ish days played and 360 posts made, the only thing that has happened thus far that has sparked any desire for a lynch as the day draws closer to its end is the fact that somebody thinks you are mafia? Nothing else has caught your eye? Nothing else stands out to you?"
I'm a fan of NL instead of random lynch, so if I don't have enough information, which I don't, imo, I'd rather abstain.
Is your vote on me because my reasoning is incorrect, or because it feels artificial?In post 366, Ph0enix wrote:"Are you not fond of the fact that I made a push on you, or about the details of the push?"
The latter. I don't mind people calling me out on my bullshit. There's not much for you to call me out on, that's the point.- Ph0enix
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I did wrote "ignore the vote" in the previous post, my bad.In post 368, LuckyLuciano wrote: First off, I didn't vote you, I just said you were scum without context in 228. Second, if I gain no information from a reaction test, that does mean the reaction test isn't worth trying. However, I do think your reaction is very curious. Are you claiming that you reacted by voting me as a reaction test to see if I would vote you back? Further, why do you care if somebody thinks you are scum?
What, no? I did because if you make such a reaction test, as I pointed out in a previous post in 2/4 scenarios you gain no information and in the other 2/4 scenarios you gain information which can be easily misinterpreted if you're Town and used as a straight up reason for a vote if you're scum. All in all, I see more value in the reaction test from a scum POV.
It's not that you think I'm scum, it's that you're making a push on me with questionable reasoning.- LuckyLuciano
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Is it questionable to think that a player might be scum because they take a course of action that contradicts how they claimed to play the game as town in the past? I understand that you are claiming you have changed your views on early wagons, but do you really believe that finding such a change in behavior suspicious is questionable?In post 370, Ph0enix wrote:
I did wrote "ignore the vote" in the previous post, my bad.In post 368, LuckyLuciano wrote: First off, I didn't vote you, I just said you were scum without context in 228. Second, if I gain no information from a reaction test, that does mean the reaction test isn't worth trying. However, I do think your reaction is very curious. Are you claiming that you reacted by voting me as a reaction test to see if I would vote you back? Further, why do you care if somebody thinks you are scum?
What, no? I did because if you make such a reaction test, as I pointed out in a previous post in 2/4 scenarios you gain no information and in the other 2/4 scenarios you gain information which can be easily misinterpreted if you're Town and used as a straight up reason for a vote if you're scum. All in all, I see more value in the reaction test from a scum POV.
It's not that you think I'm scum, it's that you're making a push on me with questionable reasoning.- Ph0enix
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"Why? How does not answering this question benefit the town?"
How does it do? And quite frankly, it is such a broad question that I don't know what answer you expect.
"We only discovered recently that an extension was being granted. At what point were you planning to advocate a no lynch? In particular, when Titus moved their vote to Cheeky, putting her at L-1, in 307, you questioned the motive. When she stated it was due to the deadline, why did you not begin advocating a no lynch?"
Should've been more clear, I meant NL on my part, as in, me not voting, not no lynching in general.
"Is your vote on me because my reasoning is incorrect, or because it feels artificial?"
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Given the fact that said player does not have a defined style of play and you are judging off of two games alone, yes.In post 371, LuckyLuciano wrote: Is it questionable to think that a player might be scum because they take a course of action that contradicts how they claimed to play the game as town in the past? I understand that you are claiming you have changed your views on early wagons, but do you really believe that finding such a change in behavior suspicious is questionable?Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
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