Newbie 1987 | Game Over

[OldMapleNostalgia]

Idk, this game feels dead, I'll hammer in 15 minutes, even if CJ doesn't get back.

[OldMapleNostalgia]

Idk, this game feels dead, I'll hammer in 15 minutes, even if CJ doesn't get back.

Holy batman look at the commas.

[GeneralWu]

Idk, this game feels dead, I'll hammer in 15 minutes, even if CJ doesn't get back.

Don't do that
we still have like half the day left
I haven't really read any of the more recent posts yet cuz I'm short on time right now but I'd like to point out that unless cj is 100% proven to be mafia it's generally a bad idea to hammer a player when there's still plenty of time left.

We've already seen what happened earlier in this game when people hammer too early.

[GeneralWu]

Idk, this game feels dead, I'll hammer in 15 minutes, even if CJ doesn't get back.

Holy batman look at the commas.

My English teacher would not be pleased.
(Although in Chinese run on sentences are ok sometimes)

Also I should have more time to play this game either later today or tomorrow. I haven't read all of the posts yet, but I just think that considering what happened on previous days with people hammering early, it's probably better to avoid hammering when there's still plenty of time left in the day.

[Maduisha]

Well, it's time for me to sleep, so if there's any question for me, I'll answer later on...

I want to mention one thing before I go, though:

If you decide to vote for me, please just hammer without waiting for me, I won't try to persuade people otherwise because I can't prove anything, so it'd be a waste of time.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

[OldMapleNostalgia]

well. that's that i guess
VOTE: CJ

[Karnage]

Vote Count 3.4

ceejayvinoya (3) ~

Maduisha, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

~LYNCH~

Not voting (2) ~

GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-07 23:02:00)

V/LA: none

[Karnage]

Night 3

ceejayvinoya was lynched day 3. They were a

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

It is now Night 3. Deadline for night actions is (expired on 2020-03-07 00:19:47).

[Karnage]

Day 4

OldMapleNostalgia was killed night 2. They were a

Spoiler:

Town Mason

It is now Day 4.

[Karnage]

Vote Count 4.0

Not voting (3) ~

Maduisha, GeneralWu, JacksonVirgo

With 3 alive it's 2 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-13 23:25:31)

V/LA: none

[JacksonVirgo]

intent to vote generalwu

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually I might as well vote, because I know for sure that Mad is clear (unless they're like expert level mafia).
VOTE: GeneralWu

[GeneralWu]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Maduisha is pretty much cleared at this point. I highly doubt she's mafia bussing ceejay, although if she were, that would've been a pretty geniosity move. I honestly don't see any chance of that happening though.

Also I'm like 99.999999999% sure JV is the last mafia since during the last day phase he scumread me the entire time and didn't explain why. I don't think he's provided explanations the day before, either.

To summarize, during day 3 he pushed me with zero explanation. He only said things like "we all scumread GW so let's vote him".

Moreover, at the last second on day 2, he said that "if 72offsuit isn't mafia then the mafia has to be GW". He also provided no explanation.

Earlier in day 2, he just basically sheeped clidd and tunneled 72offsuit.
He just agreed with clidd's wrong read and pushed a lynch on 72offsuit. Then at the end of the day, he said that "if 72offsuit isn't mafia i'll push clidd hard the next day".
Honestly that seems like it was planned as an attempt to hit two birds with one stone.

[GeneralWu]

72offsuit

refused to be lynched, because we would know his partner by association. He could've get me lynched tomorrow (if im confirmed scum in his pov).

Well duh nobody refuses to be lynched.
clidd you're not giving me towny vibes by making that post

OK for real I have to go now

*nobody wants to be lynched

Self-lynching in this scenario is +ev for town because then the poe would be narrowed even further and it's not even LyLo yet. Yet they're not because they know they're scum and it would doom both scums

I really don't see how someone who makes posts like these could be considered towny.
This post is basically the equivalent of saying "we're not at lylo yet, so we can just have a townie die and still be okay".
Which is not okay, because every townie that dies brings the mafia closer to victory.
While that does decrease the number of people left, meaning there are fewer people for the mafia to blend in with, it's just not beneficial to town.

Let's suppose you have a game with 5 players: 3 town and 2 mafia. There are fewer people, but a game like this would heavily favor the mafia team.

[Maduisha]

Alright, well... I'm pretty convinced JV is the last mafia because of the attempt to manipulate GWu to vote during 72's lynch, and because the excuse during last day can't be bought at all.

@ JV give me a reason why GWu is mafia that isn't "process of elimination." I don't trust you, but I'll give you a last chance.

[JacksonVirgo]

No matter what I say nothing will change shit, this position happens all the time for me and it sucks ass.
Just vote me and lose

[JacksonVirgo]

My town plays aren't like my mafia plays, check my previous games. I suck at faking my town meta as Mafia and didn't even know about it to begin with. Clidd cleared me because of it and yet nobody sees that. Clidd had the same reads as me yet mine are scummy.

Do what ya want

[JacksonVirgo]

Ceejay, gwu. Gg

[JacksonVirgo]

I've explained my reads on gwu in past posts, no point repeating myself it's not like it's going to matter

[Maduisha]

I won't ask you to repeat them, that'd be a pain. But I would be happy if you quoted them here, or gave me the post numbers.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll word it as best I can, currently playing some games with a few of my friends. Just all their attitudes and general reactions that town!them would have seemed forced as fuck for one.

[GeneralWu]

My town plays aren't like my mafia plays, check my previous games. I suck at faking my town meta as Mafia and didn't even know about it to begin with. Clidd cleared me because of it and yet nobody sees that. Clidd had the same reads as me yet mine are scummy.

Do what ya want

You even said that you would push clidd if 72 flipped green.

Also relying solely on meta is a bad idea because things change from game to game. For instance, I play differently from game to game regardless of alignment, because there are different situations for different games.
I feel like most of the time meta can't be the only reason that someone is "clear".

Just saying, people probably aren't going to take the time to read your past games just so they can compare your play in this game to those of your other games. In addition, reading past games you've never played in is often an inaccurate way to judge a player.

[Maduisha]

So, I have already exposed why I suspect JV the most. I was waiting to see if they'd post more reasons why GWu is mafia, but that didn't happen...

I decided to look at all of GWu's posts, and I found a good amount of posts in which he quoted someone and said "I agree", so maybe Ceejay wasn't lying completely, after all.

[Maduisha]

Mason dying is unfortunate but at least confirms the setup

not quite, the setup could either have 2 mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker.
although the roleblocker's power would do nothing if there is one in the game.

Roleblocker is essentially a Goon in this setup

yeah cuz there's two masons who have no night actions and so the roleblocker doesn't have anyone to block.

Both GWu posts here feel a bit like redundancy and fluff, but maybe I'm looking for any stupid detail now.