Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.10

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Menalque

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Iconeum

(1): Doobietime

EqsyLootz

(1): Atarashi Hajimari

Elmo TeH AzN

(1): WizenedWalrus

WizenedWalrus

(1): 72offsuit

Not Voting

(4): clidd, Menalque, Iconeum, EqsyLootz

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-15 01:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Iconeum V/LA until Tuesday.
  
• Elmo TeH AzN V/LA until Tuesday/Wednesday.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Though I'd be down to lynch doobie over eqsy if it came down to it.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

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I feel like I was supposed to deny you this page top.

[72offsuit]

Atarashi Hajimari

, what is your read on

Doobie

now ?

Random question, does it get tiring color coding literally every post you make? I'd get annoyed with trying to keep it up real fast.

To answer your question though, I still dont really like the slot at all, but I'm admittedly having a bit of trouble getting past the newbie-esque feel to her posts to see if its newb-town or newb-scum. I think it's probably the latter, but I'm more confident that eqsy's slot is scum and, if so, doobie is almost certainly the second scum.

This post sounds genuine to me, I am pretty much in the same boat Re: the slot.
I've had an easier time reading into WAlrus'slot, but finding it hard to get a gauge on doobie.

[EqsyLootz]

Wait!?! Is there an ISO feature on this site? I kinda need it if I'm going to make that read-list

[EqsyLootz]

[quote="In post 404, EqsyLootz"][/quote]

Nvm, found it.

[EqsyLootz]

Here is my read on Atarashi. Ill post the others in a bit when Im done eating.

Atarashi Hajimario

Spoiler:

A bit more seriously is that Doobie straight up admitted this was her first game ever, and that's pretty cool. Dunno 'bout the rest of ya, but I'm not gonna vote for her during D1 unless she does something super scummy at any point. Just so she can actually play the game a bit, y'know?

Given this statement, what's your opinion of azn?

Early on Atarashi shows signs of agressiveness and looking for possibilities. I often strong townread people who has a high WIM when it comes to playing and making solid reasoning. Atarashi is looking for different aspects and possibilities when it comes to others reasonings.

So far iconeum and Doobie have been the only two to not throw out a rvs vote on their first post.

and what do you conclude from this?

Nothing. Yet.

you found the need to call it out but don't conclude anything from it? that's called shading

VOTE: atarashi

Given this statement, what do you think of post 28?

Moreover, I said I didn't conclude anything of it yet. It might be useful in the future, but perhaps not immediately. Would you rather me not say anything unless it's of immediate value?

Once Again, They are looking for others POV's in order to gain everyone's reads and piece together the puzzle

What makes you SR lotus? I notice you changed your initial vote for Lotus to one for Menalque and then unvoted altogether before coming back to lotus, why didn't you go back to voting lotus right away? I read the links, yes, and Lotus' points make sense to me whereas Ico's actions do not sit right with me.

But I am struggling to keep up

I posted my reason in #48. A few more questions.

1. Do you think there's something scummy about the way I voted? If so, what?
2. What makes sense, to you, about lotus's points?
3. In converse, what has Ico done that doesn't sit right with you?

I often see townies asking numeritical questions to gain others opinions. These questions are solid. (Do you think it's scummy? Does it sit right? Etc.) These questions are extremely townie.

@eqsy:

1. Whenever you have a chance can you get a profile avi? Helps us keep track of your posts and gives us a picture to associate with your stuff.
2. What's your experience with mafia, if any? You talk like you have previous experience.
3. How's that readlist coming along?

Once again, they are trying to make reading easier (Oh shoot I forgot to give myself an Avi xD)

To sum up all of this. Atarashi has some extremely townie traits regardless if they are new. They are looking at many different aspects to piece together a puzzle which is deducting the mafia. Their entire ISO screams townie and has a TON of information related to this.

Hard Townread on Atarashi.

There is still A LOT more info I could go over in their ISO but I want to go through everyone else first. To sum up everything. Check their ISO if you want some content.

[EqsyLootz]

My reads on Doobie.

Doobie (Tl;dr Warning) I spent quite a bit of time on him trying to figure out what's going on inside Doobie's head.

Spoiler:

This post and all their posts leading up to this seem Forced and Awkward. Early on Doobie is not exactly showing the greatest signs of being townie as they seem Awkward with their posts. What do I mean by this? well, his "Not wanting to post first" his "If you see me online. I'm just catching up followed my a smiley face" idk it just seems forced imo. Something a Scum would say to catch town off guard.

Wow, so the thread has doubled in size since I went to sleep... There's so many points of view to look at this from I'm going to need a long minute.

This post is also Awkward. I mean I don't know Doobie's playstyle but im just pointing things out that normally I don't see. Such as these Awkward posts. If anyone has played with Doobie before please tell me if they are always like this.

So, I agree with the points made by Lotus in 213.


In addition to this, Ico, post #226 right after hardclaiming makes no sense as you'd already said you were a mason?

That's funny, because I don't see menal with access to the mason pt

i even had a great crumb planned for later in the day

I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now. I have more thoughts to add tonight about others when I have more time, but wanted to respond to Ico in the hope of getting an answer before V/LA begins

Finally something relativally interesting on their part. This post makes up for the awkwardness. They are concidering other options and being considerate to other possibilities. However any scum can play this game so I want to read them more.

What makes you SR lotus? I notice you changed your initial vote for Lotus to one for Menalque and then unvoted altogether before coming back to

@Ata, I don't want to quote and make my post even longer...
Sorry for the delay. I spent ages answering your questions without even drafting them because I thought I'd made a logical mistake somewhere with my hunch and you had an actual reason for scumreading me. Thankfully I can answer all of your questions, and still feel as though I could be right, which frankly is a bloody miracle at this stage. I can't answer what it is we aren't understanding about eachother though.

You didn't and still haven't answered all of my question. You made two judgement calls on the mason situation, first voting Menalque because of it. Then as you say, decided not to pursue further, by no voting. It seems weird to be set strongly enough on Lotus to return back to voting for them for same reasons in post 48, when you dropped that vote for Menalque and then went for a no vote before returning to your original trail of thought. I would have thought if your SR of Lotus was genuine or strong enough you would have stuck with it or gone right back to it sans no vote.

^Which is why I'm speculating your reasoning was passable before but less so now. It's what I'm saying is inconsistent about you so far and it matters because something being scummy is contextual, presumably as more information becomes available things like early inconsistencies can paint a bigger picture later in the game. If said inconsistencies were all actions which manipulate the game to one teams advantage, for example.



Post 196,
I understood the tone of the post. I still feel as though it's exploring the possibility which doesn't help town. And 'I don't think he ever claims this early' is a playstyle reference which I can't verify. Ico should have shut it down completely, like you seem to have interpreted them as doing anyway.

If Ico's observation amounts to 'this seems to make sense, but then even that doesn't add up'
isn't he pointing something out to others and debating it extensively, but not making a personal conclusion from it, much like lotus did to earn your vote?

I wouldn't sit here debating this with you if I hadn't read the the links. I wouldn't have linked the post saying I agree with the points here if I didn't know what they were. How would that benefit me whichever way I was aligned?


213/193
I agreed with Lotus' point and elaborated on my reasons for agreeing it didn't sit right. The list isn't exactly all-inclusive is it? There's 101 plausible scenarios and Ico supposedly left the window open to a town Menalque so that's one outside of the two listed here.

Point two says he risks pinging other power roles and them investigating him diverting power from scum. A fake claim from a town gives no power to scum in itself, only the possible repercussions. If we are indeed playing with masons then similar logic could be applied to Ico's CC, who will benefit from that info at this stage in a Mason setup?

Next Q,
I agreed it was hollow because as Menalque says, he was leaning towards lotus being scum at that time.

Whew, nearly done...

One- No, I'm saying why did Ico say 'go Lynch scum' when only mafia would know whether I'm planning to lynch scum or not?

Two- had to finish on this one didn't you? After all my effort? Well... I'm gonna post my long ass argument anyway :b

I'm leaning more towards Ico being scum than anybody else at this point, especially after all this revisiting. I never said it wasn't petty, in fact, didn't I more or less say it was? I'm doing my best with what I have. Your scum read of me is petty also and that is because we are just getting started

Tl;dr. Yeah scum often pulls Tl;dr but to sum this up. Townie post overall. Concidering possibilities. Catching up with reads. Results and questions. Answering others. Gaining possibilities. etc. lotus, why didn't you go back to voting lotus right away? I read the links, yes, and Lotus' points make sense to me whereas Ico's actions do not sit right with me.

But I am struggling to keep up

I'm going to admit, Lotus was acting scummy. I see no reason why Doobie couldn't of caught up with the following reads especially when they claim to be "Active" and re-reading everything. Perhaps this is a pocket?

The Term Pocket means that you are being nice to a player/defending them to make them like you.

Overall, Doobie has an interesting ISO. They have both a mix of awkward nervous posts yet confident and Powerful townie posts. It is completely mixed and it's difficult to understand their playstyle. Hopefully they will catch up and continue on reads. Currently a Null for me.

Yet Im concidering this possibility. Is there a TMI Mixed in?
TMI = Too Much information.

[EqsyLootz]

Pointing one thing out, We have a Mason claim. The slot Slots with Mason are A-3 or C-3. This will help determain our scum. If anyone is RBD Tonight. Say so Immediatly!

[EqsyLootz]

IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PR CLAIMS! COME OUT IMMEDIATLY AND CC THE MASON! If we have another PR claim the Mason is fake. Or if the PR cc is fake as both Masons' comfirm each other.

[Doobietime]

I'm confused by the multiple reactions to my continued vote on Ico, especially as it's been spelled out for me that it's not outside the realms of possibility. It's the best I have, guys!

I'm still reading everybody, including Menalque. It would be stupid not to. But I'm leaning towards him being Town for now, mostly because of his entrance- the aforementioned arrogance, the fact he said he plays for fun. This makes me feel like he dropped the mason bomb just to see how it would play out, I don't see him doing so without contingency plans in place for different reactions though. I can see ways he could be scum too. Tbh I haven't even ruled out that he might really be a Mason and there's stuff going on behind the scenes we aren't seeing. I have too many theories and not enough data to start narrowing them down.

I've got brainache, if I get lynched I'm going to have to put off starting a new game so I can lurk and keep up with what's happening :')

[EqsyLootz]

Oh hey Doobie.
well explain your Vote on Ico more clearly if you don't mind.

[Doobietime]

My reads on Doobie.

Doobie (Tl;dr Warning) I spent quite a bit of time on him trying to figure out what's going on inside Doobie's head.

Spoiler:

This post and all their posts leading up to this seem Forced and Awkward. Early on Doobie is not exactly showing the greatest signs of being townie as they seem Awkward with their posts. What do I mean by this? well, his "Not wanting to post first" his "If you see me online. I'm just catching up followed my a smiley face" idk it just seems forced imo. Something a Scum would say to catch town off guard.

Wow, so the thread has doubled in size since I went to sleep... There's so many points of view to look at this from I'm going to need a long minute.

This post is also Awkward. I mean I don't know Doobie's playstyle but im just pointing things out that normally I don't see. Such as these Awkward posts. If anyone has played with Doobie before please tell me if they are always like this.

So, I agree with the points made by Lotus in 213.


In addition to this, Ico, post #226 right after hardclaiming makes no sense as you'd already said you were a mason?

That's funny, because I don't see menal with access to the mason pt

i even had a great crumb planned for later in the day

I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now. I have more thoughts to add tonight about others when I have more time, but wanted to respond to Ico in the hope of getting an answer before V/LA begins

Finally something relativally interesting on their part. This post makes up for the awkwardness. They are concidering other options and being considerate to other possibilities. However any scum can play this game so I want to read them more.

What makes you SR lotus? I notice you changed your initial vote for Lotus to one for Menalque and then unvoted altogether before coming back to

@Ata, I don't want to quote and make my post even longer...
Sorry for the delay. I spent ages answering your questions without even drafting them because I thought I'd made a logical mistake somewhere with my hunch and you had an actual reason for scumreading me. Thankfully I can answer all of your questions, and still feel as though I could be right, which frankly is a bloody miracle at this stage. I can't answer what it is we aren't understanding about eachother though.

You didn't and still haven't answered all of my question. You made two judgement calls on the mason situation, first voting Menalque because of it. Then as you say, decided not to pursue further, by no voting. It seems weird to be set strongly enough on Lotus to return back to voting for them for same reasons in post 48, when you dropped that vote for Menalque and then went for a no vote before returning to your original trail of thought. I would have thought if your SR of Lotus was genuine or strong enough you would have stuck with it or gone right back to it sans no vote.

^Which is why I'm speculating your reasoning was passable before but less so now. It's what I'm saying is inconsistent about you so far and it matters because something being scummy is contextual, presumably as more information becomes available things like early inconsistencies can paint a bigger picture later in the game. If said inconsistencies were all actions which manipulate the game to one teams advantage, for example.



Post 196,
I understood the tone of the post. I still feel as though it's exploring the possibility which doesn't help town. And 'I don't think he ever claims this early' is a playstyle reference which I can't verify. Ico should have shut it down completely, like you seem to have interpreted them as doing anyway.

If Ico's observation amounts to 'this seems to make sense, but then even that doesn't add up'
isn't he pointing something out to others and debating it extensively, but not making a personal conclusion from it, much like lotus did to earn your vote?

I wouldn't sit here debating this with you if I hadn't read the the links. I wouldn't have linked the post saying I agree with the points here if I didn't know what they were. How would that benefit me whichever way I was aligned?


213/193
I agreed with Lotus' point and elaborated on my reasons for agreeing it didn't sit right. The list isn't exactly all-inclusive is it? There's 101 plausible scenarios and Ico supposedly left the window open to a town Menalque so that's one outside of the two listed here.

Point two says he risks pinging other power roles and them investigating him diverting power from scum. A fake claim from a town gives no power to scum in itself, only the possible repercussions. If we are indeed playing with masons then similar logic could be applied to Ico's CC, who will benefit from that info at this stage in a Mason setup?

Next Q,
I agreed it was hollow because as Menalque says, he was leaning towards lotus being scum at that time.

Whew, nearly done...

One- No, I'm saying why did Ico say 'go Lynch scum' when only mafia would know whether I'm planning to lynch scum or not?

Two- had to finish on this one didn't you? After all my effort? Well... I'm gonna post my long ass argument anyway :b

I'm leaning more towards Ico being scum than anybody else at this point, especially after all this revisiting. I never said it wasn't petty, in fact, didn't I more or less say it was? I'm doing my best with what I have. Your scum read of me is petty also and that is because we are just getting started

Tl;dr. Yeah scum often pulls Tl;dr but to sum this up. Townie post overall. Concidering possibilities. Catching up with reads. Results and questions. Answering others. Gaining possibilities. etc. lotus, why didn't you go back to voting lotus right away? I read the links, yes, and Lotus' points make sense to me whereas Ico's actions do not sit right with me.

But I am struggling to keep up

I'm going to admit, Lotus was acting scummy. I see no reason why Doobie couldn't of caught up with the following reads especially when they claim to be "Active" and re-reading everything. Perhaps this is a pocket?

The Term Pocket means that you are being nice to a player/defending them to make them like you.

Overall, Doobie has an interesting ISO. They have both a mix of awkward nervous posts yet confident and Powerful townie posts. It is completely mixed and it's difficult to understand their playstyle. Hopefully they will catch up and continue on reads. Currently a Null for me.

Yet Im concidering this possibility. Is there a TMI Mixed in?
TMI = Too Much information.

Hey! I'm a girl, by the way. Doesn't matter if you get it wrong though, I get it a lot with this u.n for some reason.

I was writing my comment as you posted this. This made me laugh quite a lot actually, I'm an awkward person and the most arrogant unconfident person you'll e-meet. I'm just being myself so it's nice to know that I come across in text as I think I do irl. I too spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's going on in my head.

Nobody has previous experience playing with me because I've never played mafia before. I didn't know it existed a week or two ago.

I'll probably do that again- say I'm catching up while I'm getting my thoughts together and drafting my post. Especially if there's lots to catch up on. Just explaining why I'm online but not contributing.

I think Lotus' viewpoints have mostly echoed with my own inklings at how this game might turn out, and since people thought we're working together it also made me less interested in others SR of them as I know that isn't what's happening

[clidd]

Atarashi Hajimari

, what is your read on

Doobie

now ?

Random question, does it get tiring color coding literally every post you make? I'd get annoyed with trying to keep it up real fast.

To answer your question though, I still dont really like the slot at all, but I'm admittedly having a bit of trouble getting past the newbie-esque feel to her posts to see if its newb-town or newb-scum. I think it's probably the latter, but I'm more confident that eqsy's slot is scum and, if so, doobie is almost certainly the second scum.

Hum, no. I organize myself better with colors.

Maybe

Doobie

needs a second chance. I believe that her vote at

Ico

indicates more confusion than necessarily a biased intention.

Eqsy

, however, seems a good lynch policy.

[Doobietime]

Oh hey Doobie.
well explain your Vote on Ico more clearly if you don't mind.

I've got to head out but will post that when I come back. It's going to be the same as what I've already said, I have no further thoughts on Ico, only thoughts on others actions related to them and my possible SR of them.

But literally everything is hypothetical. I'm struggling to justify the fact I just have a stronger case for my feelings towards Ico when all of my feelings are literally just that.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

[clidd]

Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

I don't like your attitude of questioning everything we do. It seems like a mindset that is more inclined to emphasize the problem than the solution.

[clidd]

It's important to set priority for lynchs, otherwise we will not move.

[EqsyLootz]

You think I am a good policy lynch? How so. @Clidd.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PR CLAIMS! COME OUT IMMEDIATLY AND CC THE MASON! If we have another PR claim the Mason is fake. Or if the PR cc is fake as both Masons' comfirm each other.

Holy shit can we lynch this scum-butt already?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

I don't like your attitude of questioning everything we do. It seems like a mindset that is more inclined to emphasize the problem than the solution.

Ngl, I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. I agree with you on a personal level, but I think this is more of a meta/playstyle difference rather than alignment difference.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Eqsy, however, seems a good lynch policy.

What do you mean by policy here?

[EqsyLootz]

Policy Lynch means that you lynch them as they can harm the town later game.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Eqsy, however, seems a good lynch policy.

Also, if this is true then where's your vote at?

[EqsyLootz]

Alright I dislike Clidd already based on their ISO.
When I flip Cit I'd like him to be the next lynch alright? I forgot theres still like 8 days left till EoD But. Oh well.