Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

[Team STRQ]

well

what criteria do you think gives the most value to flip, implosion?

-Summer

[implosion]

And actually writing out the branches of what could happen this makes sense.

If we heaven town, sure we get a judgment day sooner... but our odds of losing in that judgment day are, on the whole, ~1/4 (we'd have to mis-hell tomorrow AND misjudge in judgment day). And even if we hit town in the hell phase and then succeed the judgment day, which is obviously (i think?) worse than just hitting scum in the hell phase, we'd be left with 1 scum in hell, 0 scum in heaven, and 5 people alive, 2 of whom are scum... this gives us extremely good odds of winning because we get to hell someone and then judge someone, and if EITHER of those people are scum, we win, for odds of 1 - (3/5)(2/4) = 70%.

If we heaven scum, then tomorrow, even if we hell scum, the game continues and we have to avoid heavening the other scum... twice. If we hell town, then we go into 6 alive heaven phase with 2 scum alive and 1 in heaven... and from there we HAVE to heaven town, and if we DO then we get to a hell phase where we have 5 alive, 2 of whom are scum, and we have to get BOTH of those two people into hell to win.

[implosion]

Essentially, all of this is making me think the utmost important criterion is to heaven town today. Secondarily, it should be someone who, if they flip scum, would force the game to reassess everything... but that should go hand in hand with it being someone we are confident is town.

Basically I was thinking S_S or pops could be a good idea but I don't feel good about that anymore.

I want me or Ame, or possibly Looker, but probably me or Ame.

[Team STRQ]

why are you townreading Ame implosion?

-Summer

[implosion]

893

[Elmo TeH AzN]

why are you townreading Ame implosion?

-Summer

Where are your reads for the moment. Where's your top heaven pick right now?

[Team STRQ]

implosion would you normally say you're predominantly a logic/case style player as both alignments?

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

why are you townreading Ame implosion?

-Summer

Where are your reads for the moment. Where's your top heaven pick right now?

I've barely even read the game since sometime in the past phase

what is yours?

-Summer

[implosion]

i don't know if i'd really bucket myself in any given way like that.

my scum game is predominantly centered around emulating my town game in that manner, so pure style of logic/etc is a bad way to try to read me unless you think i'm emulating it poorly.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

why are you townreading Ame implosion?

-Summer

Where are your reads for the moment. Where's your top heaven pick right now?

I've barely even read the game since sometime in the past phase

what is yours?

-Summer

My vote rests on them.
I don't need you to read. What was your gut saying after Wooper was green?

[popsofctown]

We could heaven Looker, then lynch Amrun, then heaven Ame if both those flips went as expected

[popsofctown]

A computer program suffers somewhat from not recognizing that a player who seemed so towny that they got heavened has an increased likelihood that they would never get helled all game, even they were heavenproof.

But I'll do one tomorrow to check implo's math

[Elmo TeH AzN]

We could heaven Looker, then lynch Amrun, then heaven Ame if both those flips went as expected

See I don't like this call of the lynch at least the call. I mean I'd still wait for the flip.

[Team STRQ]

i don't know if i'd really bucket myself in any given way like that.

my scum game is predominantly centered around emulating my town game in that manner, so pure style of logic/etc is a bad way to try to read me unless you think i'm emulating it poorly.

Huh.

What do you believe is the way that you're most easy to read by then? I've been townreading you this game mostly because you remind me more of Coalition than Guns and Roses, but that post you responded with blurred the line a bit.

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

why are you townreading Ame implosion?

-Summer

Where are your reads for the moment. Where's your top heaven pick right now?

I've barely even read the game since sometime in the past phase

what is yours?

-Summer

My vote rests on them.
I don't need you to read. What was your gut saying after Wooper was green?

My limited view of the game says pops is more likely to be scum, otherwise I mostly only had a townread on implo and a somewhat townread on SS.

I kinda townread him currently but I don't know enough about how he plays specifically to be able to tell offhand whether him taking more stances this early in the game is indicative of either alignment, the setup, or the player amount/composition.

Shrug

-Summer

[Amrun]

Hope to catch up soon. Very busy this weekend with toddler activities and studying for an exam for nursing school entrance. Sorry.

[Team STRQ]

I'm still waiting for Elmo to engage with me more, but I was not satisfied with their replies to me so far. The consistent annoyance about this hydra could come from scum trying to minimize a slot with multiple voices, and is harder to predict. That's the basis of quite a few grievance's against this slot from what I've understood, or at least one's that have been brought up to me.

So you think Looker-Elmo interactions this past page or so are T/T?

Your slot has been so muddied its hard to tell where any of your heads were. The fact that I was called an "alt" in this game by one really got under my skin. And no it's NAI. I have this undying hatred for hydras. Like to the point I want them dead in every game.

My issue is this why are there 4 heads of this hydra and all of a sudden it got quiet from them? And now picked up all like nothing happened.

What is muddied about this slot? It would help if this was explained.

I can't just rally up 3 heads at once for a comprehensive viewpoint on every aspect of the game, even though I can work toward that since you don't want to work with me individually.

Summer

head has been sick until literally the last 24 or less hours.
I SHOULD be offline right now tending to studies because I don't have spring break until

March 13th

.
I haven't even seen

Raven

the past couple days because he's swamped too.

Qrow

and I have been discussing townreads but I don't think he has much room to post at the moment.

Part of why - I, at least - wanted this hydra, was that we all enjoyed each other's gameplay but I don't have time to commit to a solo-game. I don't think the other heads can as much as they'd like either, but I don't prod them about it. I'm not their gate-keeper, but I'm trying to see what their views are townreads-wise to solidify a decision both with them and the playerlist.

I asked you specifically about

Wooper-STRQ

wagons and what you think of your vote as opposed to other alternative wagons, but I still keep hearing the same

"I hate hydras"

phrase and it's discouraging because I want to sort you. :/

So no, I can't confidently place you as town and your stance - while I think it's genuine - reads as defensive.

I'm sorry guys. I really am. I just had a bombshell hit my life rather two. And yeah.

Take the time you need, this is just a mafia game.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

[@Team STRQ: "Elaborate" is vague - is there a specific piece of information you would like to know? You mislynched Wooper and are trying to Heaven someone who voteparked on a potentially bussing vanity wagon, so I don't know how much information I feel comfortable telegraphing for you.

Namely your top townreads

implo/pops/ame

, since I'm only confident in 1/3 of them being town.

And yeah...

S_S

voteparked for over 100 posts EoD… Not what I'd call a votepark, especially since

S_S

doesn't vote as quickly as many other players. Also, if you're going to discredit the vote, at least case why the vote could be a buss. The only voteparking I noticed was on the

Amrun

wagon.

I'm still waiting for Elmo to engage with me more, but I was not satisfied with their replies to me so far. The consistent annoyance about this hydra could come from scum trying to minimize a slot with multiple voices, and is harder to predict. That's the basis of quite a few grievance's against this slot from what I've understood, or at least one's that have been brought up to me.

So you think Looker-Elmo interactions this past page or so are T/T?

And what do you think of the votes on Amrun that weren't present at deadline? {Ame, Wooper, popsofctown}

I've been quite explicit about my reads, and they have not really changed since then. I still feel quite good about all of Ame, Looker, and Elmo. I don't think that specifically *annoyance* is the tactic of someone trying to "minimize a slot with multiple voices".

OK, let's entertain

Elmo

has AtE'd at this slot this entire game as town and throw her in the townbloc;

I wanted to hear your thoughts on

Looker-Elmo

interactions... They're both a townbloc in your eyes but they don't confidently see each other as town, but you're not focusing on bringing that together more or less just stating that they're just town.

It reads as noncommittal.

I also wanted to hear your thoughts on the votes on the

Amrun

wagon that didn't stay at deadline. Half the playerlist voted for

Amrun

but you're phrasing the wagon as if it didn't get traction at all.

That gives me the idea that

Amrun

should be further suspected or wagoned but that's occurred this entire game. This take reads as planned, if not mislynchbaity. I'm not convinced of your case about the read there, or your read of

Looker

which you seem less confident in.

Essentially, all of this is making me think the utmost important criterion is to heaven town today. Secondarily, it should be someone who, if they flip scum, would force the game to reassess everything... but that should go hand in hand with it being someone we are confident is town.

Basically I was thinking S_S or pops could be a good idea but I don't feel good about that anymore.

I want me or Ame, or possibly Looker, but probably me or Ame.

Well, at least we're on the same page on how to approach today. Why are

pops/S_S

not good picks?

Currently TL S_S for reasons I'll get to later.

Why not say this now when nobody else is voicing it?

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

I feel weird at the fact that the thread are echoing the same townreads

Implo/Looker/Ame/Elmo

but aren't exploring why other's aren't town and viable heaven options

Amrun/S_S/pops/STRQ

. This is a red flag.

I don't think either group is exclusively town by PoE.
Neither can be exclusively scum based off numbers.

So this isn't a consensus that's feasible or a townbloc that I'd want to act on.

-Tai

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I asked you specifically about Wooper-STRQ wagons and what you think of your vote as opposed to other alternative wagons, but I still keep hearing the same "I hate hydras" phrase and it's discouraging because I want to sort you. :/

I wanted you sent to hell yesterday. Wooper was not ideal but deadline and I was losing some faith and something about it didn't sit right with me. Afaik the votes weren't there when I went to bed.
Right now there is not a person I really want to send to heaven but what can we do.

What is muddied about this slot? It would help if this was explained.

I can't just rally up 3 heads at once for a comprehensive viewpoint on every aspect of the game, even though I can work toward that since you don't want to work with me individually.

4 heads. Did I say you needed to confir before you posted. I didn't expect a comprehensive view point. Honestly I didnt need a run down of why you made the 4 headed hydra. Yes this is defensive. Yes I'll work with you on an individual basis. But my issue is I learned not to trust hydras a long time ago. If you want to work 1-1 sure we can. And your right we're just blocing people and they're isn't much to go on which makes this day they much more stressful

[Ame]

Qrow and I have been discussing townreads but I don't think he has much room to post at the moment.

...Can you kick him and ask him if he's a mafia spoon that's going to knife the fork out of this game?

I'll answer your questions in a bit.

[Ame]

@Tai what about my Looker case do you not find convincing?

[Ame]

@Elmo I think it's easier to read hydras if you just treat them as separate players who happen to have the same avatar and alignment. Like just treat it as a 12 player game instead of a 9, only in this case if you figure out 1 person's alignment you figure out 4.

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