Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[Titus]

Titus when will you be around? I'm working now but I'll be semi-available for a while. Want to talk through stuff while I catch up?

I plan to be around in an hour and a half, two hours from now give it take.

[Wooper]

oh Titus I'm a worst alt jsyk

I'm gonna be watching this exchange but I am also keen to hear your thoughts on my catchup in as good a time as you can offer them

pedit: fantastic. I will be home.

[Homura]

Do not expect my reads to be better or more accurate because I am an IC. I prefer to keep my hands off D1 and asses what happened and why. Early game is my weakest point.

Day 1 is less about being right but observing the motivations of people imo. To me, if I get the best out of town, we win, even if my reads aren't so hot.

If that's your meta, I'll take your word for it. But I'd rather not stake a lynch on an unsubstantiated tonal read for now.

What do you think of Karnage's EoD posts?

[Homura]

Wooper, when you're done, thoughts on Titus's SR of your slot?

[Titus]

Defining an alt for newbie players.

Some people on MS have multiple accounts. The primary accounts are mains. The secondary accounts are alternate accounts (or alts for short). When Wooper says he's a worst alt, he's saying his main account is "the worst".

[Wooper]

Hello everyone. 2 votes on me already!

Dang your more popular then me this game...

I only hope a mafioso would end up more popular than I am.

“Mafioso”?

Hmm.
There is Mafia Goon and a Mafia PR or Mafia Goon.

You said Mafioso which means two things.

Your Town who made a sorta Town slip like this.
Or
Your mafia who unintentionally revealed the setup to be 2 Mafia Goons.

What? I was hoping that it's a person from the Mafia organization who gets voted and not me. I don't know if "Mafioso" only means goons here.

I just don’t think “Mafioso” comes to mind if there is a mafia PR.
Could be wrong though but I just think it’s 2 Goons if your Mafia.

???

Mafioso means a member of Mafia organization. It could be a Mafia goon or a Mafia with powers, the point is it's a Mafia member. Why can't I say Mafioso when I'm hoping that it's a singular member of Mafia that gets lynched today?

If there's scum in this interaction it's always TSE

Normally I'd quite like the abstract theory but I've recently discovered scum!TSE is capable of pulling some real bullshit out of thin air and he feels compelled to do this kind of thing as wither alignment soooo :shrug: I'm not sure if this realistically says as much about TSE's alignment as I wish it had but LR wins more town points at least

[Wooper]

Wooper, when you're done, thoughts on Titus's SR of your slot?

I'll try and engage with Titus about this head on once I've caught up. /o/

[Titus]

Do not expect my reads to be better or more accurate because I am an IC. I prefer to keep my hands off D1 and asses what happened and why. Early game is my weakest point.

Day 1 is less about being right but observing the motivations of people imo. To me, if I get the best out of town, we win, even if my reads aren't so hot.

If that's your meta, I'll take your word for it. But I'd rather not stake a lynch on an unsubstantiated tonal read for now.

What do you think of Karnage's EoD posts?

I'm not sure what to think. Karnage could be scum betting on not a hammer. Karnage, if town, has lacked confidence in his reads. That's how I could see this happening.

The tone appears genuine but I am not sure what to conclude alignment wise. I'd bet the game on Karnage not being a town PR.

[Wooper]

I'm looking for something juicier than just her read on my pred & how I feel about her read on my pred

[Wooper]

TSE is v townie, not liking lunar's posts

just clockin this for later
I think I'd agree abt TSE if I wasn't crushed by the weight of knowing his meta

[Titus]

I’m the one that’s been on the Karnage wagon.
You’ve been hesitant about it Titus.
Why would I deter something I’m pushing?

By stating that you wouldn't compromise on a lynch to secure a lynch at all, you deter those who would hammer. You should know how detrimental a no lynch is. You seem more concerned with where your vote is rather than your effect on the thread.

[Wooper]

this flurry of posts is a good look for ph0enix
i'm aware he's claimed tpr so won't go too far in but it ties into a lot of the way my stomach is starting to feel about the first two pages so too bad

Spoiler:

I'll interrupt in SE voice again when a wagon gets going.

Despite being in RVS there apparently is one already. What do you make of it?

Can you rephrase this?

What's your opinion of the wagon now that there is one? I mean, the wagon I was referring to already collapsed, but still.

one thing that's bugging me around the first couple of pages is how aloof the analysis of Titus' posting is - like there's kind of a consensus that her jumping off the rvs wagon is WeIrD but i don't think anyone has really committed to what it's supposed to mean

i noticed my pred did the same @ LR earlier on this page.

i'm not sure it means anything categorically for the people pushing titus but she doesn't feel concerned with optics and nobody feels like, passionately against this wagon

Okay, I read what I had missed.

Titus changing her vote is NAI.
LunarRest using the word "mafioso" in that one post is NAI as well.

agree strongly
TSE is either:
- town using this as a discussion point to get things moving
- scum trying to look towny by teaching into the deepest depths of a pocket dimension to pull out analytical comment
but realistically it's not actually strongly AI for Titus? it's just something to talk about to get the game moving

TSE is v townie, not liking lunar's posts

Why?

thankkkk youuuuuu

@Titus: What's your opinion on the reaction some people have to your change of vote?

#goodposting

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Gah.

[Wooper]

Yup. Gut it usually a weak indicator but weak indicator is better than a random vote.

i can talk about why you won my rvs vanity townread but yeah basically this is a good sign.

This is artificial.

+1 it's a talking point but a bad one

Okay, I read what I had missed.

Titus changing her vote is NAI.
LunarRest using the word "mafioso" in that one post is NAI as well.

@Titus: What's your opinion on the reaction some people have to your change of vote?

I'm ok tentatively placing you as town based on the top post.

The discussion around me and my vote change is awkward and stilted. A few slots say the same thing and get nowhere but NAI, essentially repeating what came before.

What's absent is more telling. Everyone wants to know why my gut was strong enough, yet no one looked at Phi's behavior. It's not enough to make a strong case out of, but it's still interesting. Phil comes across artificial and fake in the opening sequence.

Mod: I voted Phi not Phoenix.

Fixed, thank you --P

i'm quoting this to reflect on later
there is something really significant in here and i'm not sure what it tastes like quiteeee yet but i think titus is town

[Wooper]

the way TSE approached my post screamed townie to me + I was already disliking that mafioso post when they pushed it
lunar's mafioso post and how they approached the idea of s/s; i think after their last two posts they're pretty solidly null for me though, maybe a little itsy bitsy townie
these are very early reads so they'll probably change but this is where my head is at

uh just to sum up this & tap's previous post

"woah tse is very towny
well i guess tse was towny for a moment then null
i dunnoooo he's getting nuller
this is early so my reads will change!"

calling tap/tse s/s now get your bets in

[Wooper]

what were people saying that's the same besides 'it's null'?
only cheeky mentioned the gut ping thing
I would like phi to come and speak, which is why I'm still voting for them, but I think most people would rather focus on the actual content that's been generated
like, I see wym with that phi post, but it's one rvs post, it's not exactly a lot to look at

ironically i like tap's voting a lot from this perspective

[Wooper]

Why would Titus even vote for Topi if she was mafia with him and then leave the wagon looking as suspicious as she does? A SE mafia wouldn't be doing that.I don't think Titus voting for Phi has to do with trying to get off the Topi wagon. She probably genuinely has a gut feeling that Phi is scum. But then again a SE town wouldn't be doing something which makes him look like a Mafia like this either. Titus isn't a definite mafia but isn't definite town either

I can see where you're coming from. I never assumed that Top/Titus were SvS just that I found it odd that as an SE Titus left the lead wagon before Top even reacted.

It looks like she just had a stronger read elsewhere but often when an RVS wagon grows the people who jump off are the most interesting. In this scenario it's more likely that Top is town and Titus is scum knowing Top's alignment. It's still early but I too am following my gut.

: )
cheeky and i would have fought this game
it's very lucky that we had the same slot

[Wooper]

karnage's opening was like simultaneously super spicy and extremely hard to actually get behind and i think i'm just Firmly Null on him rn
suddenly unsure if tap is a wolf or his posting style is just really cute
help

Also hi, Cheeky.

Hiya! What game did we play in? I have an old person's memory.

This one.

I'm suspecting cheekyteeky lunarrest and truesoulenergy as the latter two seem to know each other plus its so obvious its either a double goon or spec goon ingame right now but nobody is randoming because we win in two nights

tapiocaphobe might be clear at 67% thanks to overdefensiveness

however am voting phoenix because of an illegal move quoting another game and saying necessarily

vote ph0enix

doc on me otherwise someone else because I might get targeted for showing off and saying I'll win

Adding a colon so the automated vote counter will catch it: vote: ph0enix
--P

i have never agreed so passionately with every single thing in a post
(except plot's comments, plot is objectively always right)

[Wooper]

@QQ if this is a schtick, please never stop

+1

[Wooper]

I'm leaning town on

Titus

and

TSE

atm

tapioca

and

phoenix

would be my guess for scum

everybody else is ???

i hope u talked thru these reads karnage buddy

[Wooper]

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[Wooper]

i'm townreading my own slot because everything cheeky is posting is making me grind my teeth and historically this means we're both town

[Wooper]

He’s just giving buddy reads.
Whom he thinks are scum buddies

Yeah but based on what?

At this point I'm only townreading Phoneix and Tap. We need more wagons or something.

At this point I'm only townreading Phoneix and Tap. We need more wagons or something.

I went back and looked at ph0enix's ISO and I probably judged him too harshly for his reaction to QQ.

What are you seeing from tap that makes him a town read?

kinda wondering why there wasn't more attention to the tap townread here

[Wooper]

I just feel Karnage and Cheeky are doing good cop bad cop here. (Not cop roles but it's an interrogation tactic).

what gave you this impression titus?
i might be tmi'd on cheeky's alignment but i didn't get a feeling of unison at all from these pages

[Wooper]

TSE, I guess you're on translation duty.

Phoenix, I'll try to explain my theory tonight. It makes sense in my head as an aha type moment but I'm not the clearest.

I think Scum!QQ means Scum!Titus
And Titus is coaching QQ.

this is like emphatically not a thing with daychat