Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Iconeum]

hello dragonboi here

i'm baaack

catching up later today

if anything juicy happened over the weekend let me know ^^

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.12

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Iconeum

(1): Doobietime

EqsyLootz

(1): Atarashi Hajimari

Elmo TeH AzN

(1): WizenedWalrus

WizenedWalrus

(1): 72offsuit

clidd

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting

(4): clidd, Menalque, Iconeum, EqsyLootz

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-15 01:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.
  
• WizenedWalrus standing V/LA weekends.
  
• Elmo TeH AzN V/LA until Tuesday/Wednesday.
  
• Menalque V/LA until Sunday.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Ico you should lynch eqsy with me.

[WizenedWalrus]

Yeah, on balance I'm now leaning more to VOTE: EqsyLootz, as the failure to produce the promised read list and the strong reaction to being called on it appears scum-indicative.

[Iconeum]

328

I concur, it's unlikely, but not impossible. I said the same thing earlier in the thread about it coming across as TvT. But it's easy to play town when there is nothing to really substantiate an argument either way .

There's not that much (that's concrete) to be taken from what's been written so far, imo. Maybe it was all towns which were having a battle of wills earlier, everybody came across well meaning so I was looking for logical flaws instead.

Let me spell it out for you.
There is a mason claim (menal). There is a counterclaim to this (mine). Menal is lying. Then Menal backs down and says he was in fact lying.

From this you conclude that I must be scum and menal is probably town. This is not a town mindset from you. Not at all. You got caught in a bad spot and are having trouble positioning yourself based on a bad read from you.

Brief

PoE

according to my impression so far:

TRs

--> Ico | Menalque

(BoP)

TL

--> Hajimari | 72offsuit

Unsure

--> Lotus | Doobie | Walrus | Elmo

* I detected some traces of honesty during the conversation with

Elmo

, but nothing so expressive to consider

lock-town

. I believe that her doubt is genuine about the mason claim, as well as her reaction, but I still need a little more certain margin before concluding on such slot.

Lotus

,

Doobie

and

Walrus

need to be better evaluated before I can rate them (even with Lotus being

scummy

recently).

*

Hajimari

and

72offsuit

are

TL

because of their tone, at least as far as I saw.

*

Ico

is a potentially

mason

(if not confirmed), while

Menalque

demonstrates a presence that can be beneficial, but which is subject to his performance, and the time he will spend alive in this game.

* I will continue to operate at a low frequency, focusing on developing some sketches in my notebook. I will be available if anyone needs a second opinion on any matter.

Spoiler:

Find it hard to believe, but I actually agree with Clidd;s readslist for once.

Ye, agree that Mena is unlikely to be scum. Super risky strategy in a Newbie game to pull this sort of gambit. Agree it is basically suicide to trade 1 for 1.

Town-lean: Ico/Clidd/Mena/Elmo
Null: Ata/Doobie
Scum-lean: Walrus/Lotus

This doesn' feel genuine at all. There's a huge event (the claim and counterclaim), and from this you conclude a 'lean'? In what world is this not simply hard scum or hard town? I've not cased 72 yet, but i'm getting them scummmmmy vibes from this slot.

I'm confused by the multiple reactions to my continued vote on Ico, especially as it's been spelled out for me that it's not outside the realms of possibility. It's the best I have, guys!

I'm still reading everybody, including Menalque. It would be stupid not to. But I'm leaning towards him being Town for now, mostly because of his entrance- the aforementioned arrogance, the fact he said he plays for fun. This makes me feel like he dropped the mason bomb just to see how it would play out, I don't see him doing so without contingency plans in place for different reactions though. I can see ways he could be scum too. Tbh I haven't even ruled out that he might really be a Mason and there's stuff going on behind the scenes we aren't seeing. I have too many theories and not enough data to start narrowing them down.

I've got brainache, if I get lynched I'm going to have to put off starting a new game so I can lurk and keep up with what's happening :')

So you townread a faked claim, that drew out actual town power. And are scumreading the town power that counterclaimed the faker. How is this genuine? You are turning and twisting and sitting the fence wrt to all of the claim shenanigans but fail to take an actual stance. Heavily scum indicative.

IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PR CLAIMS! COME OUT IMMEDIATLY AND CC THE MASON! If we have another PR claim the Mason is fake. Or if the PR cc is fake as both Masons' comfirm each other.

Holy shit can we lynch this scum-butt already?

Actually, this is the absolute optimal play for other town power to make. Town power is designated to catch scum, and if they counterclaim they literally achieve their mission. It's a SOLID trade. I don't read this as scum at all.

Eqsy, Doobie, 72off, Walrus


Both scum are probably in this list.

Strong list, and you get my +1

Lynching in doobie/72off is my opinion.

[Iconeum]

Alright I'm all caught up. Currently Im suspicious of Clidd and Elmo.

bad list, can you provide some justification for these reads?

Lotus looked pretty bad, but i'm not sold on this slot actually being scum yet.

Much stronger scumread in 72off/doobie

[Iconeum]

VOTE: doobie

clidd/atarashi/walrus townread in no particular order. menal prob town as well

Elmo is a bit of a ?

scumpile/lynchpile in no particular order doobie/72off/lotus slot

[Menalque]

doobie is obvtown and we're not lynching there

[Menalque]

why are you townreading atar? I'm very conflicted there

[Iconeum]

doobie is obvtown and we're not lynching there

[Iconeum]

why are you townreading atar? I'm very conflicted there

atar is obvtown and we're not lynching there

[Iconeum]

why are you townreading doobie? i'm very conflicted there

[Iconeum]

there is no sense of logical/townie thinking in those reads from doobie

[Iconeum]

i already pushed atar and engaged with it. very townie vibes and handled the pressure very nicely

then we started sharing reads et voila

instant townblock

[Menalque]

there is no sense of logical

/townie

thinking

in those reads from doobie

this is why doobie is town, btw

[Menalque]

my issue with atar is that it's felt like they've sometimes been pushing stuff that they thought was pushable, instead of actually thinking about whether it's scum

see: the push on eqsy

if you're hard town there I'll go with you though

thoughts on clidd?

[Menalque]

72 is a good lynch, but idk about the partner

I was thinking Elmo earlier but they kind of seemed town in some of their stuff?

and their push on walrus makes me think it's not walrus, also I don't particularly read walrus as anything yet

[Doobietime]

Welcome back! I'll accept your position Ico. I can't validate myself further, I expect from your tone you feel the same way, if you're telling the truth I expect it will become abundantly clear to me soon enough.

Was hoping to start up where I left off yesterday but today has become much busier than anticipated. May not be able to get back to you guys til tonight or worst case scenario, tomorrow. Definitely will be back, feel free to prod away, I might like it

[clidd]

Im back.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

they've sometimes been pushing stuff that they thought was pushable, instead of actually thinking about whether it's scum

What does this mean?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

see: the push on eqsy

Also this seems to imply you tr eqsy. Is that true?

[clidd]

Spoiler:

1 TBC... And this game so far I read you more as being town.

2. I have a townlean on you. I haven;t ruled you out as being mafia, you could most definitely be scum, I just don't see any scum-indicative behaviour so far.

3. I want to pressure Walrus more. There are still 4 days of D1. He is lurking and the posts he has posted don't give me the impression of a townie scum-hunting.

4. I don;t see how you asking me this and me responding to this is pro-town. If you or anyone else can explain and convince me of the benefit of this question, then I'll answer.

5. In the hypothetical scenario that Menal is mason:

Lotus/esqy - most probable, given post 213, where they say they believe the claim

NOT Ico - I doubt ico would have agreed to this plan and the response from ico was quite emphatic, felt like genuine frustration to mena's claim.
NOT Elmo - due to post 168 where she calls it a bad claim and because mena scumreads her
NOT me - because mena scum-read me

6. D1 strategy is to lynch the townie that I could most effectively paint as being scummy that looks like genuine scumhunting.

7. If Ata is scum, current read would be probably within {Clidd, Elmo, Walrus or Doobie} - middle tiers in reads list

8. I'd probably tentatively guess that its vanilla townie vs vanilla townie claiming masons
Depends on the night kill, depends on what my exact PR role was and what result i got from my night action.
If I had a guilty-ish/mafia-indicative report, I would allow for some scumhunting by town to proceed, see what evolves out of the mason claim situation if nethier claim died, and then out it towards the middle of the day: to allow for scumhunting early on, but to also allow enough time at the end of day for discussion of the report, my claim, and planning for the days ahead.

Hum.

I'm having a hard time distinguishing your behavior. There are some suggestive traits in your answers that match the scenario in which I would answer the same questions.

[clidd]

I am imagining that, considering that you know the process by which I formulate my

TLs

, you could emulate a behavior that I expect from a

town!72

. In the last game,

scum!72

used the same reaction as

town!you

before I hammered in the other game, that you were town, and took advantage of my empathy to sow doubt in my decisions..

[clidd]

In this sense, my emotional read conflicts with my rational read, considering your recent chain of thoughts.

One says that you're

town

, and one says that you're

scum

.

[clidd]