Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.14

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

EqsyLootz

(3): Atarashi Hajimari, WizenedWalrus, Iconeum

Iconeum

(1): Doobietime

clidd

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting

(4): clidd, Menalque, EqsyLootz, 72offsuit

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-15 01:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.
  
• WizenedWalrus standing V/LA weekends.
  
• Elmo TeH AzN V/LA until Tuesday/Wednesday.
  
• Menalque V/LA until Sunday.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

So i think your Lootz read is off. I think we should lynch Lootz.

possibly yes

What made you change from 530?

[Iconeum]

nobody is interested in my doobie case

and i did agree with the last or so post 72off made, which makes me vote lootz (ok lynch, if this is scum then i will no longer wrongly scumread 72off, if that flips town then 72off can be the next lynch)

[Datisi]

Prodding EqsyLootz. This is their first prod.

[72offsuit]

nobody is interested in my doobie case

and i did agree with the last or so post 72off made, which makes me vote lootz (ok lynch, if this is scum then i will no longer wrongly scumread 72off, if that flips town then 72off can be the next lynch)

I don't really understand this. You say you agree with my read on esqy, but if esqy flips town then you want me lynched tomorrow, despite others making cases against esqy.

[72offsuit]

nobody is interested in my doobie case

and i did agree with the last or so post 72off made, which makes me vote lootz (ok lynch, if this is scum then i will no longer wrongly scumread 72off, if that flips town then 72off can be the next lynch)

It's not that I'm not interested, its that I dont see them being particularly scummy, unlike Lootz.
Most of my games to date at least 1 scum has been in the null-reads-area.

[Iconeum]

i don't see any reason to tunnel on anyone, including you at this point

[Iconeum]

scumpile/lynchpile in no particular order doobie/72off/lotus slot

and it's not that i never wanted to push/lynch the lotus slot

my vote is more usefull there right now

[72offsuit]

VOTE: Esqy

L-1

Do NOT hammer Esqy until Esqy has reported in. Otherwise you are claiming scum.

[72offsuit]

scumpile/lynchpile in no particular order doobie/72off/lotus slot

and it's not that i never wanted to push/lynch the lotus slot

my vote is more usefull there right now

Right.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

nobody is interested in my doobie case

I mean I'm definitely interested, just not today.

[72offsuit]

Updated VC:

EqsyLootz (4): Atarashi Hajimari, WizenedWalrus, Iconeum, 72offsuit
Iconeum (1): Doobietime
clidd (1): Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting (4): clidd, Menalque, EqsyLootz,

[72offsuit]

EBWOP Updated VC:

EqsyLootz (4): Atarashi Hajimari, WizenedWalrus, Iconeum, 72offsuit
Iconeum (1): Doobietime
clidd (1): Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting (3): clidd, Menalque, EqsyLootz

[Iconeum]

and like

that wagon on eqsy is at least 3 out of 4 town

all of atarashi walrus and me are town or prob town, with 72off more doubtfull to me

which isn't bad at all

[72offsuit]

The lack of a counter-wagon is odd. I guess with esqy not voting it reduces the ability of a counter-wagon. I really hope this is a town-block game. If clidd/ata are scum then we were screwed anyway with the whacky start to this game

[Atarashi Hajimari]

and like

that wagon on eqsy is at least 3 out of 4 town

all of atarashi walrus and me are town or prob town, with 72off more doubtfull to me

which isn't bad at all

I'm still not sure on the whole "walrus is town" line of reasoning given taht I'm not really sure that it exists.

Granted he's really only in my lynch pool because of general lack of substance and lacking a clear reason to see that he's town, but I'm really not sure where you're getting your confidence for this read from.

[Iconeum]

The lack of a counter-wagon is odd. I guess with esqy not voting it reduces the ability of a counter-wagon. I really hope this is a town-block game. If clidd/ata are scum then we were screwed anyway with the whacky start to this game

the wagon was at 2? votes prior to a couple *hours* ago

i and 72 only just made it an actual wagon so the lack of a counterwagon or response to it might just be timing tho

[Iconeum]

and like

that wagon on eqsy is at least 3 out of 4 town

all of atarashi walrus and me are town or prob town, with 72off more doubtfull to me

which isn't bad at all

I'm still not sure on the whole "walrus is town" line of reasoning given taht I'm not really sure that it exists.

Granted he's really only in my lynch pool because of general lack of substance and lacking a clear reason to see that he's town, but I'm really not sure where you're getting your confidence for this read from.

well i disagree with you on walrus read

305 was a pretty good opening vote, sheeping other reads that it agreed with. This is a newbie game after all and it's not easy 'finding your feet'. I liked it.

His 319 is a mindmelt with my thoughts at the moment, so i townread that

382 was a solid response that i townread off of tone and content, trying to sort 72off

while i'm not exactly convinced by the readlist he provided, i'm overall townreading the slot

[clidd]

Spoiler:

Wow, this game is literally 1987 on repeat.

1. What scum motivation would i have for "townleaning" you itstead of "townreading" you
Actually stop and check yourself for a second, and actually ask yourself the question.
Do you think that! ScumMe is planning to shade you and then lynch you Tomorrow or what?
Correct, i dont have any strong reads either way because im town.

2. Re: Doobie im still unsure either way.

3. Lootz' post 409 is not townmotivated.

Yes 1 scum for 1 PR is an excellent trade. NOOONE is disputing this obvious fact.

Like we have already discussed ad nauseum, scum claiming mason is very unlikely. Asking for any existing PRs to CC if they exist is just a ridiculous statement imo.
The odds of a PR existing is like 2 percent.

Post 409 is the sort of post that is trying to appear town. Its LAMISTY which is one reason why its scummy.
Secondly its dealing with the unlikely rather than the probable.

Its basically the epitome of the wiki when you look up:

Balancing Possibilities Versus Probabilities

So i think your Lootz read is off.

I think we should lynch Lootz.

nah, go sleep, you're good for now, I need to sort other people

72 is a good lynch, but idk about the partner

I was thinking Elmo earlier but they kind of seemed town in some of their stuff?

and their push on walrus makes me think it's not walrus, also I don't particularly read walrus as anything yet

This bothers me. Prior to the afk you basically grill me with questions. Then you conclude with, " im going to sort other slots out" ... Which you dont really do and then you return and basically just say "ye 72 is a good lynch".

VOTE: Esqy

UNVOTE: Unvote

FoS: esqy

Current lynch priority is Eqsy -> 72off/doobie, Walrus

You earlier say that probs both scum are in these 4.
So who are the scum partners in these 4?

nobody is interested in my doobie case

and i did agree with the last or so post 72off made, which makes me vote lootz (ok lynch, if this is scum then i will no longer wrongly scumread 72off, if that flips town then 72off can be the next lynch)

I don't really understand this. You say you agree with my read on esqy, but if esqy flips town then you want me lynched tomorrow, despite others making cases against esqy.

nobody is interested in my doobie case

and i did agree with the last or so post 72off made, which makes me vote lootz (ok lynch, if this is scum then i will no longer wrongly scumread 72off, if that flips town then 72off can be the next lynch)

It's not that I'm not interested, its that I dont see them being particularly scummy, unlike Lootz.
Most of my games to date at least 1 scum has been in the null-reads-area.

VOTE: Esqy

L-1

Do NOT hammer Esqy until Esqy has reported in. Otherwise you are claiming scum.

[Iconeum]

[Elmo TeH AzN]

In all fairness if they do not pick the prod up I will hammer them just so a replacement doesn't come into the slot to die.

[clidd]

This sequence seems to me a strong indicator of town mentality.

[Iconeum]

ok if that's your stance

UNVOTE:

[Iconeum]

This sequence seems to me a strong indicator of town mentality.

i was liking his recent posts from 72off

how do you feel about about a current townblock consisting of clidd/ico/walrus/atari/72?

this is a strong basis

[Iconeum]

oh and menal probably too

damn i have a lot of townreads

if this game is solved in doobie/lootz/Elmo this is pretty neat