Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.15

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

EqsyLootz

(3): Atarashi Hajimari, WizenedWalrus, 72offsuit

Iconeum

(1): Doobietime

clidd

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting

(4): clidd, Menalque, EqsyLootz, 72offsuit, Iconeum

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-15 01:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.
  
• WizenedWalrus standing V/LA weekends.
  
• Elmo TeH AzN V/LA until Tuesday/Wednesday.
  
• Menalque V/LA until Sunday.

[clidd]

This sequence seems to me a strong indicator of town mentality.

i was liking his recent posts from 72off

how do you feel about about a current townblock consisting of clidd/ico/walrus/atari/72?

this is a strong basis

I don't like walrus on it. The rest seems good.

[clidd]

I'm still trying to be careful with 72, as he manipulated his meta last time.

But with the recent posts, I believe that his intention tends more towards green alignment than the opposite.

[Iconeum]

agreed with being carefull about 72

why not walrus?

[clidd]

Walrus has 10 posts, and we're going to post 604. I'm still trying to figure out how to interpret this.

[clidd]

I have a past game (newbie too), in which a player acted similarly to him, with few posts and an apparently harmless tone.

He was scum, so I am no longer townreading inactivity anymore.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

ok if that's your stance

UNVOTE:

What other stance is there? As someone who's replaced into slots before only to die within 24 hrs I find it a bit bleh to not.

Pedit: In all fairness people have lives. Also activity shouldn't tell sides which side they are leaning on but what do I know.

[Iconeum]

Walrus has 10 posts, and we're going to post 604. I'm still trying to figure out how to interpret this.

ok low amount of posts but there is content to Judge him on

and i townread it

[clidd]

This: ( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82235 ) --> Player

ceejayvinoya

.

[Iconeum]

ok if that's your stance

UNVOTE:

What other stance is there? As someone who's replaced into slots before only to die within 24 hrs I find it a bit bleh to not.

Pedit: In all fairness people have lives. Also activity shouldn't tell sides which side they are leaning on but what do I know.

What other stance? How about trying to sort the slot based on actual activity and content rather then 'oh i'll just hammer so we definitely can't have any more content from that slot'

[Iconeum]

and like

that wagon on eqsy is at least 3 out of 4 town

all of atarashi walrus and me are town or prob town, with 72off more doubtfull to me

which isn't bad at all

I'm still not sure on the whole "walrus is town" line of reasoning given taht I'm not really sure that it exists.

Granted he's really only in my lynch pool because of general lack of substance and lacking a clear reason to see that he's town, but I'm really not sure where you're getting your confidence for this read from.

well i disagree with you on walrus read

305 was a pretty good opening vote, sheeping other reads that it agreed with. This is a newbie game after all and it's not easy 'finding your feet'. I liked it.

His 319 is a mindmelt with my thoughts at the moment, so i townread that

382 was a solid response that i townread off of tone and content, trying to sort 72off

while i'm not exactly convinced by the readlist he provided, i'm overall townreading the slot

my townread on walrus

it ain't much but it's there

[WizenedWalrus]

while i'm not exactly convinced by the readlist he provided

So, my readlist was:

lean bad: elmo, eqsy, doobie
no lean: 72offsuit, clidd
lean good: atarashi, melanque
probably good: Iconeum

FWIW, a bit more detail on the suspect list:

elmo

: Main suspicion was due to a couple of seeming unnecessarily strong reactions early on (i.e. 117, 164). Re-reading now, I do kind of like the points raised in 441 though.

eqsy

: first few posts after joining gave me the sense that he would be an active participant, but that seems to have fizzled with only a partially-completed readslist, never clarified what he saw as lotus' mistakes.

doobie

: gameplay makes absolutely no sense to me, I cannot fathom why a pro-town player would leave their vote so long on someone almost assured to the a power townie

72offsuit

: a few negative posts gave me a bad feeling (i.e. 345), seemed overly eager to prove himself to Melanque.

clidd

: has posted quite a few thorough analysis posts, but the lack of a desire to vote from a clear-thinking player does raise the eyebrow of suspicion somewhat. Another thing that seemed odd to me was that in the postgame thread of the game he keeps linking to, he posted that he likes to take insane risks 1078, which seems to go against the way he had appeared to me from reading this game (careful and logical thinker). So still not sure of him.

[clidd]

''

clidd: has posted quite a few thorough analysis posts, but the lack of a desire to vote from a clear-thinking player does raise the eyebrow of suspicion somewhat. Another thing that seemed odd to me was that in the postgame thread of the game he keeps linking to, he posted that he likes to take insane risks 1078, which seems to go against the way he had appeared to me from reading this game (careful and logical thinker). So still not sure of him

''

[clidd]

Just to add:

I take risks when I am PR, which is not the case in this game. If you notice, in both games that I insist on linking I have an important role in each one.

However, the fact that you are interested in readind these games, even with a low post, shows a interest in the accuracy of yours reads, and it also implies that you care about the result more than what we think.

I have a TL on you now.

[Iconeum]

clidd, I actually see his point tho. I read it that he likes your posts in general but your reluctance to vote somewhere despite having rather clear stands on players is holding back a townread.

I don't see anything wrong with that?

[clidd]

I'm holding my vote for now. I don't want to use it early.

Evidently I'll be following your lead, so you don't have to worry about that.

[Iconeum]

to be honest i'm not interested in people following my lead, but rather working *with* me actively to form town and scumreads

sheeping me on Day 1 will accomplish little to nothing

[clidd]

I said in the sense of directing the vote. I am already working with you.

I have a mental vote on Eqsy.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

ok if that's your stance

UNVOTE:

What other stance is there? As someone who's replaced into slots before only to die within 24 hrs I find it a bit bleh to not.

Pedit: In all fairness people have lives. Also activity shouldn't tell sides which side they are leaning on but what do I know.

What other stance? How about trying to sort the slot based on actual activity and content rather then 'oh i'll just hammer so we definitely can't have any more content from that slot'

Little over 3 days. 20+ pages. Unless we got a deadline which Im not sure you can get in newbie games but I could be wrong. Its a shame too.

Also So you tell us you take risks but that doesn't prove anything. Are you telling us you meta and then going to try to curb it? I don't get it. Meta can be changed and faked even just looking at your join date not knowing anything else.

I'm holding my vote for now. I don't want to use it early.

Evidently I'll be following your lead, so you don't have to worry about that.

Are you afraid of using your vote? Why? The fact that you have held your vote and just "played it safe" This is slightly worrying

[Iconeum]

oh i'm not trying to say that specifically to you

but more to other players as well: don't just sheep me but work with me in making a solve for helping you guys figure this out in the coming days as i'm likely dead anyway

[Iconeum]

ok if that's your stance

UNVOTE:

What other stance is there? As someone who's replaced into slots before only to die within 24 hrs I find it a bit bleh to not.

Pedit: In all fairness people have lives. Also activity shouldn't tell sides which side they are leaning on but what do I know.

What other stance? How about trying to sort the slot based on actual activity and content rather then 'oh i'll just hammer so we definitely can't have any more content from that slot'

Little over 3 days. 20+ pages. Unless we got a deadline which Im not sure you can get in newbie games but I could be wrong. Its a shame too.

Also So you tell us you take risks but that doesn't prove anything. Are you telling us you meta and then going to try to curb it? I don't get it. Meta can be changed and faked even just looking at your join date not knowing anything else.

I'm holding my vote for now. I don't want to use it early.

Evidently I'll be following your lead, so you don't have to worry about that.

Are you afraid of using your vote? Why? The fact that you have held your vote and just "played it safe" This is slightly worrying

1) 3 days equals to about 30% of full time left. I don't see that much urgency.

2) 25 pages. It's not much. I'll even say that's a low number.

[Iconeum]

Elmo do you realize the full impact of what your quickhammer would do?

[Iconeum]

Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

For the moment, I'll go with VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN: as others have pointed out, she seemed to get unduly flustered by Menalque's SR of her.

In a game of mafia information is key. The less scum have the less they know about the setup.
So you are saying I shouldn't have lost it over someone claiming a PR to lure a NK and then ousting a PR for nothing?

Not sure where you have played but I come from the old times where this was just ignorant to do. You just did nothing to help the town with it. And it's more the surface level on why I got frustrated.

-Elmo: policy lynching is bad mkay
-Elmo: we need all the information we can get because information is key

-Also Elmo: I will quickhammer this slot to spare us having a replacement that might procude content and because it's lurking

[Doobietime]

Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

For the moment, I'll go with VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN: as others have pointed out, she seemed to get unduly flustered by Menalque's SR of her.

In a game of mafia information is key. The less scum have the less they know about the setup.
So you are saying I shouldn't have lost it over someone claiming a PR to lure a NK and then ousting a PR for nothing?

Not sure where you have played but I come from the old times where this was just ignorant to do. You just did nothing to help the town with it. And it's more the surface level on why I got frustrated.

-Elmo: policy lynching is bad mkay
-Elmo: we need all the information we can get because information is key

-Also Elmo: I will quickhammer this slot to spare us having a replacement that might procude content and because it's lurking

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the quickhammer comment. I don't like inconsistencies as we know :') It would be an unavoidable FoS on Elmo if she hammered Eqsy and they turned out to be town though, I probably wouldn't take that risk as either alignment.

I like your unvote though, enough to UNVOTE: you myself.

[Doobietime]

To elaborate, I like that Ico decided to remove themselves from the wagon for the time being in order to give Eqsy a chance to respond, not necessarily due to a change of heart on the read of the slot but due to reluctance of possibly lynching a town- how I feel also*

Or at least that's my current interpretation.

I suppose it could also indicate Ico/Eqsy scum pair by unvoting but like with Elmo this would be an unavoidable FoS later. Could also provide plausible deniabilty if infact Ico does want Eqsy lynched but wants to seem unsure. Ooooh :/

*(this shared approach was also a contributing factor on my TL of Elmo before she mentioned quickhammering. Will have to reevaluate)