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[Kirari Momobami]

Anything in particular that you want my thought on or

1597

[Pink Ball]

Pink floof what did you think of 1597?

They are both wrong and it's a discussion that ultimately doesn't matter at all

When does town argue "one scumteam's goal is to eliminate the other scumteam" in multiball? That feels like scum positioning

The question is not when, is why. Why does town argue about scum's goal in multiball? The answer is because town likes to nitpick anything they can and destroy themselves by not focusing in what really matters. Aaron and Nero are not showing scumminess by discussing meaningless shit, they're showing towniness

[NorwegianboyEE]

Aaron and Nero are not showing scumminess by discussing meaningless shit, they're showing towniness

Lol i'm going to have to agree with that statement.

Bookmark.

[Kirari Momobami]

Scum nitpicks, town hunts

What is your read of aaron's iso elsewhere if you don't hate that post?

[AaronFrost]

I'm not nitpicking though, I'm trying to understand Nero's profii read because I don't think it makes much sense. There are far scummier slots and Nero is being uncooperative by continuing to tunnel profii despite there being far scummier slots to wagon right now. If that comes off as nitpicking, then so be it.

Anyways I have to go, not fully caught up as of right now, hope to be by tonight.

[Pink Ball]

Scum nitpicks, town hunts

What is your read of aaron's iso elsewhere if you don't hate that post?

Town hunts is overestimating town, especially on D1, especially on a 50p game. Look how people reacts to posts thinking "gotcha" (tictac's post about Titus, you talking about Aaron). If you say nitpicking is a scum trait, then I'd have to call you scum right now, and that would be stupid considering who you are and how you're approaching this game.

I have no stance about Aaron other than "there's plenty of scummier fish in the sea"

[insomnia]

I’m not really seeing anything with 1597

[Pink Ball]

I'm not nitpicking though, I'm trying to understand Nero's profii read because I don't think it makes much sense. There are far scummier slots and Nero is being uncooperative by continuing to tunnel profii despite there being far scummier slots to wagon right now. If that comes off as nitpicking, then so be it.

Anyways I have to go, not fully caught up as of right now, hope to be by tonight.

Discussing what's one scumteam's best strategy in multiball is nitpicking

[Titus]

How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

I'm treating it as NAI for now, but watching for buddying now that you've flagged it

I'm very predictable in terms of looking at day 1 to solve alignments. It's something that most anyone could predict that I'd look at the most recent VC and say something.

The only reason I laid off as much in TvA is that I was expecting vote fuckery that never really csme.

[Titus]

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Bingo. Why is she that confident in Titus town?

And it’s not a wild thought. It’s an insane thought.

In a game where town are uninformed, interpretations like Nero’s are the more townier ones. Town have to scum hunt. Amrun’s interpretation there is ridiculous if it comes from an uninformed PoV. Even if she town read her, I doubt she’d go such great lengths of thoughts to explain why that action comes from town!Titus.

She justified it as a counter to Nero’s accusation, it wasn’t even something picked up on the go. You need to have a high confidence read on someone in order to twist your mind like that, fall into wifom assumptions and come up even half as confident as Amrun looked stating that now.

It’s mind boggling.

Ok this is two townreads saying it, I might need to take another look but I feel this type of look holds more weight in singleball.

If Amrun is scum, I suspect they'd want to keep me around for ~reasons~.

@Drixx, what do you think of recent Amrun's posts?

[davesaz]

How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

From what I can remember Amrun's post reflects a more straightforward and logical interpretation.

[insomnia]

Interesting reactions.

[davesaz]

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Gdi I swore I switched that time

Not that big an assumption given slightly under 75% are town.

[DrDolittle]

I wonder if there is anyone who is in the player list and hasn't posted yet

[Kirari Momobami]

I think only 5 or 6 people haven't posted yet to the thread. GR, clidd, UltimatePlank, hersho, ar98mubarik <-- I think this is the current replacement list. 50 player game I'd rather get started on the replacements early since all of those other than clidd I would guess haven't posted on site since signups, although I didn't double check that

Now that clidd has posted there are 4 slots due to be replaced

[tictac]

The thing with tictac pointing out Wake's meta felt weird to me, generally weird = scummy. Wake, who is modding the game btw not playing it, is someone who is known to say "I hate Day 1" and then proceeds to lurk for the entire day. Hectic's doing the same thing here, the difference being that Hectic is actually playing the game whereas if he wanted to imitate Wake's playstyle he would just continue to lurk, which he's not. There's no correlation between their play here.

alas, for all my affectations of intellectual superiority i have sadly yet to unlock the elusive secrets of acausal mafia-playing. It is therefore tragically always the case that every single post of mine must be based on those posts that come

earlier

in the cosmic order and

not

on those posts that arrive

later

.

Also, why does the specific focus on 'Wake' matter, since you agree that Hectic was obviously memeing in 862?

Town hunts is overestimating town, especially on D1, especially on a 50p game. Look how people reacts to posts thinking "gotcha" (

tictac's post about Titus

, you talking about Aaron)

ouch.

also, i can see it's not gonna happen today, so.

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

jumble come back pls

UNVOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

jumble if you're around let's talk

hi i'm around

why are you only interacting with stuff directly relating to you

I find this portion of Chemist ISO hilarious.

VOTE: Chemist1422

[Psyche]

what an absurd game hello

[Pink Ball]

@tictac I meant people's reaction to your post

[insomnia]

Still content with a tictac wagon.

[davesaz]

I've looked at Profii's ISO. And while i don't see much reason to outright believe he is town. I'd prefer putting tictacs vote on TSE and Black Ranger's supposed weird hood playstyle under more scrutiny. They are scummier.

just in case you didn't get my point why I think profii is scummy for having more town reads than scum reads. There are 37 town, a second scum team of 6 and a SK. That's effectively 44 town. He can call practically the entire game town and be mostly right. Town reading is a low key pocket. He's scum but ok.

This might be true if we're in singleball, but in multiball scum genuinely have to scumhunt too and probably have more incentive to do so to fulfill their wincon. Why would it make sense for scum to try and pocket someone when their goal is to eliminate the other scum team?

I'm not sleep deprivation, but I'll put some effort into analyzing this.

In SB, scum have to go out of their way to find town to scumread, usually needing to buck the trend on at least a few of them. It is harder for scum to generate scumreads than it is for town, in SB. For townreads, SB scum are essentially 100% certain of a townread (at least in absence of a 3p). For town!me in SB games, this translates to scumreading people who have either too few scumreads / groups of people they're unwilling to entertain scumreading, or too many very strong townreads for unclear reasons. Scumreads with no conviction are another clue.

In MB, scum can feel free to actively scumhunt because finding other!scum is a win-win for them -- it eliminates competition (good as long as 2nd team stays alive) and makes them look towny. They have to be careful not to go overboard on town reading people because it will create false positive associations from town's point of view, and identify themselves as pocketing other!scum from the scum point of view. For town!me this means that strong scumhunters can't be locktown in a MB, and people who are disinterested and can't get traction in the game are more likely to be bad!town than weak!scum.

I think this makes Nero's case (few townreads) quite a bit weaker. It means that AF's main point (which to me the point of the post is that MB scum are scumhunting) is true but sorta irrelevant as a rebuttal. I don't think 1597 is very good as evidence for scum!AF. It's probably more NAI.

[davesaz]

I think I flipped Nero's case in that post -- it's too few scumreads.

[BBmolla]

Checking in

No HeyBBmolla

VOTE: tictac

Voting top wagon

I’m out see you in 24 hours

[insomnia]

Hi molla

Bye molla

[BBmolla]

Hi Insomnia happy page 66

[profii]

what an absurd game hello

His name was Psyche
He likes a dude called Mikey
Hes not a righty
I hope he dont bitey