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[Almost50]

jjh would also like to point out that if dave is scum and still has his commute shot, he can't both commute and kill on the same night.

[Gammagooey]

UT's last game had a scum copy ability, similar to what FL fakeclaimed shooting EP with when he was dying in this game actually

As far as I see it we probably win this either way as long as we're not dumb enough to let either the person claiming the guilty or the guiltied live tomorrow if we're wrong UNLESS that's the case so that's how I intend to play it

[Gammagooey]

jjh would also like to point out that if dave is scum and still has his commute shot, he can't both commute and kill on the same night.

That's confirmed by what?

[davesaz]

I tracked kuribo to Ank.

To decide who to track it was necessary to consider the gamestate.
I'm being left alive as a ML.
The empty kills were popping gammagoey's vests.
Scum gameplan was to kill not-me and frame me because I failed to track.
If I failed to track then my scumreads were wrong.
Therefore it's someone I'm not scumreading. Either kuribo or A50.
Kuribo hammered under conditions where it may still have been possible to get me.
Ergo track kuribo since he's so confident he can get me the next day.

If I had failed to track and been lynched it was a mech scum win. A50 probably vigs and would never vig kuribo, and that leaves scum+1 in the morning -> game over.

Yes, I saved this game for town.

[Almost50]

Btw, if kuribo is Scum AND the game still goes on, I dunno which of FB/gooey to lynch next. I know it's very very VERY unlikely, but I want to cover all basis.

[Gammagooey]

Dave since you're here

Why did you refuse to share reads for all of day 4 and then not track/watch anyone that night?

[Almost50]

jjh would also like to point out that if dave is scum and still has his commute shot, he can't both commute and kill on the same night.

That's confirmed by what?

By how Commuter works. Commuter

leaves town

so can neither target nor be targeted.

You may want to doublecheck with the mod if you are not sure though.

[Firebringer]

Btw, if kuribo is Scum AND the game still goes on, I dunno which of FB/gooey to lynch next. I know it's very very VERY unlikely, but I want to cover all basis.

The game ends.

What r u talking about

[Gammagooey]

If I failed to track then my scumreads were wrong.
Therefore it's someone I'm not scumreading. Either kuribo or A50.
Kuribo hammered under conditions where it may still have been possible to get me.
Ergo track kuribo since he's so confident he can get me the next day.

This isn't even true btw

[davesaz]

@A50:
That's actually hard.
5 scum plus a 3p is awfully scumsided isn't it?
The CEO or the homeless (actress? I don't remember). Tough decision.

[Gammagooey]

jjh would also like to point out that if dave is scum and still has his commute shot, he can't both commute and kill on the same night.

That's confirmed by what?

By how Commuter works. Commuter

leaves town

so can neither target nor be targeted.

Fair

I still want to lynch Dave over kuribo

[davesaz]

then not track/watch anyone that night?

Watch had already been used IIRC.
Held on to track for 1 scum remaining so that I couldn't false inno. That's basic usage of a 1-shot, surprised you even need to ask.

[davesaz]

You're seriously considering lynching one of the best mechanical players on the site, with a guilty, over that guilty.
Inconceivable.

[Gammagooey]

I'm more concerned with THE POINT of you nuzzling up to FL through the entire day instead of having reads of your own on day 4 and sharing them with everyone

[Almost50]

I still want to lynch Dave over kuribo

Sorry, but I'm not lynching the Cop over the guilty.

[Gammagooey]

I'm walking dog, fire I'm trusting you to not quicklynch anything while I'm gone

[kuribo]

I still want to lynch Dave over kuribo

Sorry, but I'm not lynching the Cop over the guilty.

He's not a fuckin cop, he's a role that killed off his neighbors to become a JOAT and then claimed not to use any of those for five days

Conveniently not even using his watch when there was a lightning rod


Huge difference between a cop and a scum that can take on a cop role

[Firebringer]

I'm walking dog, fire I'm trusting you to not quicklynch anything while I'm gone

#toomuchtrust

[davesaz]

I'm more concerned with THE POINT of you nuzzling up to FL through the entire day instead of having reads of your own on day 4 and sharing them with everyone

Keeping myself scummy enough that I wouldn't be shot immediately?
Having a huge problem at work that was keeping me up at night, so I didn't have time?
Feeling a little annoyed with several people who were breaking one of the most sacred golden rules of mafia and scumreading the cop?
I don't know, probably a mix of all of that.
Also FL was buddying the fuck out of me if I remember right, and I'm susceptible to clinging to what seems to be the only voice of reason.

[davesaz]

Conveniently not even using his watch when there was a lightning rod

It had already been used the night before when I fully expected the doc to be killed.
I even picked the non-scum doc.

[kuribo]

Conveniently not even using his watch when there was a lightning rod

It had already been used the night before when I fully expected the doc to be killed.
I even picked the non-scum doc.

How convenient.

[kuribo]

FL: "Hey Dave, if I go down for that slip, they're gonna expect you to watch"

Dave: "Shit you right Lemme just watch someone we aren't killing"

[Almost50]

Conveniently not even using his watch when there was a lightning rod

That's not true. Look at this:

Accounting for the chance that dave has a watcher shot left,

nobody should submit an action tonight

except for dave. That'll increase the chances that dave can find scum if they use the kill.

I would heavily scrutinize anyone who decides to submit an action anyway.

Hey EP,

Hypothetically, what if I already watched the doctor I'm more townreading (the one not named FL) a couple nights ago? Advice for that case needs to be covered too. Hypothetically...

He

did

watch EP the first night he got the JOAT.. "hypothetically".

[kuribo]

FL: "Hey Dave, if I go down for that slip, they're gonna expect you to watch"

Dave: "Shit you right Lemme just watch someone we aren't killing"

[kuribo]

So FL scumslips


Maria gets venged and flips scum

Dave uses his watch on EP that night?

FL gets lynched

EP becomes lightning rod

Dave OOPS NO MORE WATCH