Micro 922: Strawberry Mafia (Game over!)

[Ame]

Induce an*

[Ame]

Regarding Hectic it was bad play for him to push for me the next day and he's probably currently feeling bad about it. It's understandable however because it was an emotional response to me suddenly turning my back on him. If you look at all non-emotional reads off me this game, however, they have been town. Both Luca and Slaxx agreed me and you were town in the end. And Luca so far has been the person most consistent in reading me correctly.

[Ame]

Furthermore scumAme would have simply pushed for us to lynch yesterday. Both you and Slaxx were set on Kanna. ScumAme could have ended the game there.

Town Ame however wasn't sure about your alignment and wanted a final check. Thinking about the game over the night, I went back and forth between you and Kanna and I really wasn't looking forward to having to decide between you two. If Kanna had claimed you had a gun, there was a significant chance she could have convinced me it was you.

[Ame]

During the night I also thought there was a chance that scumYou would kill me since I had voiced a suspicion on you before the day suddenly ended. And so you would kill me and gear your strategy toward convincing Slaxx between the two of you.

[Kanna]

I’m at school and will be for another couple of hours but sure, please wait for me and I’ll bring up stuff/address Ame’s stuff (I haven’t ignored them just busy).

[clidd]

Ok.

[Ame]

Here's what I mean about using certain language and phrases to produce a desired tone/sense of legitimacy.

Tone analysis:

I’ll bring up some points against Ame when I come back, clidd,

if any of this is wordsalad please let me know

because this

honestly

makes perfect sense to me

but

I’m not sure how this is coming across

honestly:

this, along with the words 'genuinely' and 'legitimately' are very good at inducing the sense they are meant to. I remember reading a study that showed people have a natural inclination to believing people that say they are being honest. I actually use these intentionally as both alignments when trying to convey to someone where I'm coming from. Like even here, me using the word 'actually' induces as sense of legitimacy.

the underlined phrase

is a strong one. It invokes the sense that one is coming from a solve mindset that is non-threatening

the yellow phrases

invoke the sense of feeling doubtful/insecure about how one is communicating. This subconsciously causes the reader to sympathize with the poster and desire to empathize with their perspective, increasing the chance of them becoming emotionally bound.

Don't get me wrong, it's not as if Kanna consciously thought all this out and carefully crafted it out like a mastermind. It's more natural/instinctual than that. When people assume a certain mindset they naturally are capable of producing certain linguistic features to provoke the desired response in the reader/listener, and it's especially easy to do over text. For example, me using the word 'actually' above came without me thinking about it. It was just a natural thing to say as I attempted to convey my message.

Ultimately what I'm saying is, you have to start treating these things as NAI. Otherwise, you're going to continue making incorrect judgments.

[Ame]

btw Clidd I seriously like you and enjoy playing with you. I'm not criticizing your emotional reads out of spite or malice. I just think it's a current error in your playstyle that I think, when rectified, will increase your accuracy significantly.

[clidd]

Do you like me ?

[Ame]

I just said I did?

[clidd]

Well, I don't know.

[Ame]

What do you mean?

[clidd]

Nevermind, let's wait for Kanna to come back. I'll give my final decision after her post.

[Ame]

Ohhh because I used the word 'seriously.' Got it. Lol

[clidd]

Yes, lol.

[clidd]

What frustrates me is that I am successful with this type of read in face-to-face games, but statistically I fail a lot in this forum.

I admire your ability to analyze this accurately, all the points you have indicated are logically valid.

[clidd]

btw Clidd I seriously like you and enjoy playing with you. I'm not criticizing your emotional reads out of spite or malice. I just think it's a current error in your playstyle that I think, when rectified, will increase your accuracy significantly.

Even so, this post was a bit out of the logical angle of town!Ame. I had to make an effort to remain impartial and not to get carried away by it.

[Kanna]

Sorry to keep you guys waiting

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-snip-

Or maybe I sound genuine...because I'm being genuine.

Also Ame says tone is NAI here but doesn't give any examples on the reverse scenario so I'll give one.

tldr; phoenix was scum but managed to look good/be townread the entire game and got trusted over Norwegian who really only had tone on his side. It's literally the same situation here but I won't get into how salty I was over that game.

[Kanna]

Emotional read. The logical part you still beat Kanna.

Btw, what do you mean by "the logical part"?

[Kanna]

For ame's points (rqs + massclaim), I answered those ages ago. I was going to link them yesterday and thought I had time but didn't know it took 2 to no lynch.

Spoiler:

@Ame, so this was my first game with rqs. Spoiler, rqs poster was scum. I just really wanted to see what you were gonna do with it

I don't see the need to mass-claim right now.

I think we can maybe solve the game today

Kanna

I think I’m coming around to Luca. Also the compath stuff by Ame/Luca is pretty convincing. Still going to look back before deciding

What made you change your mind on Luca at this point in time?

I feel like Compath/Ico are really similar in their tone is townie and they’ve both had a few chains I thought was really townie but I’m not sure anymore

Can you point out the chains that you felt were townie?

VOTE: Compath

Is massclaim a good idea today?

Why did you go the mass claim route instead of simply claiming a guilty on Compath? Why have everyone else claim?

@Ame; No, from my perspective, I only know what I am/my result is the truth.

Exactly, so the point is that from my perspective, I only know what I am, I don't know what you are. Why would you expect me/Clidd to put blind faith into your claim considering that there was another claim that contradicted your result?

Ok, I'm a little tired atm so do you still need 1 and 2? If so, I'll answer tomorrow-ish. Also why those questions?

Third one was my bad, got a little overexcited. I was pretty sure Compath was scum at the time and in my experience, massclaim comes when the game is pretty much solved.

Fourth is ??? of course from my perspective, you/clidd could be scum trying to get rid of a pr so you can save a nk.

Did you ignore my answers, Ame?/What did you think about them?

[clidd]

Hard to explain, ignore it. Keep talking.

[Kanna]

Also her point on my role was completely wrong too; according to the wiki, “Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors)” + (several town roles) have guns. Ico would have had a gun. Ame doesn’t. She’s basically a godfather to me which is why her role is good.

This I didn't know. If Encrypter shows up with a gun, then I agree that point is invalid.

That being said, you're cherry-picking and have not addressed the holes in your play that you've consistently danced around the entire game:

-your pseudo-investigative mindset
-your theatric claim

And additionally your TMI on Hectic. Luca having a vanilla on Clidd should not have led to the conclusion that Hectic was town for you.

And additionally you sill wouldn't have come into today voting as you did. You would have at least allowed me to make a statement in case there was something you missed. You're not coming at this from a town figure-out-the game angle.

Side note: I actually missed Luca's claim that Clidd was vanilla until the next day when you pointed it out. There wouldn't have been a reason for me to kill him and I was surprised he was killed over Slaxx because he was a potential suspect. I think you're the only one that actually caught on that he wasn't 1-shot?

Also what happened with Hectic was I looked at my results PM first, saw he didn't have a gun, thought "oh hectic is town!" and came into the game with a town!hectic mindset. Then slaxx said something about a scum!doctor being able to be scum but not have a gun so that got shot down a bit. But I still thought his last posts of a dying message was townie.

[Kanna]

Clidd, what do you think of my mechanics thing last page?

[Ame]

Kanna I'm aware that you responded to me but you haven't actually addressed the point I'm making: my post before had already answered your question. Yet you asked me about it twice thereafter.

Your explanation of you suggesting mass claim before claiming your guilty because you got excited about your result doesn't make sense either. You stated previously that you knew your result didn't mean Compath was confirmed scum which is why you "wanted to see if he'd claim miller." So you knew the game wasn't solved as you're saying. And if you really thought that, YOU WOULD HAVE CLAIMED YOUR GUILTY. Your reaction wasn't natural. You went about it in a way that you

thought

town would behave in that situation, but you just did it so unnaturally.

[Kanna]

Also Ame, why did you hard TR DDL and turn on him, then hard TR Hectic and turn on him too?