Micro 927: Hectic's Ultimate Conspiracy (FIN)

[clidd]

Ame, listen:

im town, Kanna acted scummy and your read was identical to my read on her, so it was not malicious reasoning at all.

The fact that Datisi was acting extremely different confused me, so I thought he was town. Now I see that I am wrong, but I am STILL

TOWN

. It was also weird your insistence on such mechanic of selfvote for time, so it was not my fault the lack of precision in my reads in this game.

I always do my best based on the available impressions and you know it. You three MIGHT pick me, I am the only town in thiS hood and I acted entirely with a good intention to solve the game.

[Ame]

I did but I wasn't willing to vote her off of one post. The countdown also isn't an excuse because I literally just did it before and flipped town so you know it's not scum indicative.

I also didn't agree with your reasoning that scumDatisi wouldn't make a dramatic change. That's exactly what he would do. Why would he play the same? How would making a change be suspicious rather than indicate that he was town as you took it?

[Chemist1422]

clidd is your argument just "I was wrong BUT I'm town"

[clidd]

I am aware that I have damaged your view of me, but try to understand what I'm saying. Datisi and I were partners in the previous round and I noticed the way he plays. I also considered that it would change if he flip scum again, BUT NOT the way it was executed. Do you not agree with me that it would be extremely suspect if he changed radically ? he basically did not take the same questioning instance, nor did he act the same way in the chat on our hood. How could that not be suspicious? The action itself is very obvious and easy to recognize, so I considered it unlikely to occur in this game, especially because of the courage he had in the opening posts. His mentality, at no time, pointed to bias and that was why I had considered him town.

What I'm saying about your method is that you didn't worry about the fact that it didn't work in the last round, which seemed unrealistic for the town!Ame that I'm used to see. You simply repeated the same line of reasoning, with the reactions, without reflecting on past events and improving it. I know you added a slightly different mechanic, but it is still strange that you adopt this behavior WITHOUT a previous reflection.

[clidd]

clidd is your argument just "I was wrong BUT I'm town"

My argument is:

I had reasons for my reads, even though they’ve proved wrong now. It was not manufactured or invented, I REALLY thought the game would be over.

If you notice, I was the one who started thinking about Kanna being scum and both Datisi and Dsj magically agreed with me. How am i scum here??

[Ame]

Do you not agree with me that it would be extremely suspect if he changed radically ?

Correct, I don't agree with this. I don't see how it would be suspicious to play differently than you did as scum. This is backwards reasoning to me. That being said, I'm not doing anything until we hear from dsj. I think there a high probability that Datisi is leaving you out to dry here just waiting for us to vote dsj.

Additionally I town lean you more than not, but I am weary of your reasoning here.

[clidd]

Do you not agree with me that it would be extremely suspect if he changed radically ?

Correct, I don't agree with this. I don't see how it would be suspicious to play differently than you did as scum. This is backwards reasoning to me. That being said, I'm not doing anything until we hear from dsj. I think there a high probability that Datisi is leaving you out to dry here just waiting for us to vote dsj.

Additionally I town lean you more than not, but I am weary of your reasoning here.

This is NOT a backwards reasoning, I'm being completely logical here, If I see a player playing completely differently than he was as scum, I will always be inclined to think that this is his meta!town, it makes no sense for me to assimilate that he necessarily flips as scum

twice in a row

and is completely changing the way he plays, even looking like another player, to make it difficult for us to read him. If it were Hectic, I would even agree, but Datisi's own profile does not suggest it. I had no way of guessing that such a small chance would occur right now. My reasoning was perfectly in line with the information likely and available for evaluation. It is a fallacy to say that I was acting in bad faith to pull a random self-vote with ''false'' reads.

[clidd]

@Hectic/mod

can I quote posts frm the hood here?

[Ame]

I agree that if a player is playing differently from when they are scum, it makes sense to think they are town.

The part I'm disagreeing with is that you thought he was town because it would be

suspicious

for him to play differently. Which, as you agree, it would not be.

[clidd]

Ok, I will not discuss this. Think whatever you want.

[Hectic]

@Hectic/mod

can I quote posts frm the hood here?

Paraphrasing is allowed but quoting is not.

[Datisi]

Mother fucker

[Kanna]

@Clidd; How was my intro so scummy that you had to have me as lockscum though? Also the previous round wasn't even my town meta, it was just me saying I'll come back later cause I was busy.

Team is Clidd/Datisi again, let's go guys

[Kanna]

Also: Clidd pleading here is weird to see + I'm pretty sure Datisi knows my intro can come from town!me.

[Kanna]

Actually yeah, let's hear from Dsj. Sorry if self-voting that soon wasn't optimal though.

[dsjstr]

well I don't have a lot to show that I am town unfortunately

[clidd]

@Clidd; How was my intro so scummy that you had to have me as lockscum though? Also the previous round wasn't even my town meta, it was just me saying I'll come back later cause I was busy.

Team is Clidd/Datisi again, let's go guys

1. Your activity
2. Overreaction
3. Timing
4. Lamist
5. Lack of post-suspicion engagement

This with the fact that I thought it was unlikely that Datisi would be scum again, so I was sure my hood was entire town. I even tried to discuss this theory with them, but both were so receptive that I made the mistake of not doubting the lack of paranoia in our hood. They simulated a progression from "

Why do you think that?"

to

"we fully agree"

in a short period of time. I have proof of that, but I intend to paraphrasing it as soon as I get home.

[Ame]

dsj had been posting in the hood?

[Ame]

Everyone please answer each question and be as thorough as possible on questions where reasoning can be provided. If we want to win, the town among you must out town the other two. Help us come to understand your towniness.

Clidd

1. Please explain how "posting differently from scum play is town indicative" and "posting differently from scum play is suspicious" is not contradictory. I want to understand your thought process here.
2. If I had gotten to 1, would you have reset me or were you so sure on Kanna that you were willing to let it end then?
3. In post 191 why did you link my 183 instead of just responding to it? (you had it quoted)
4. What did you mean by 176? I understand the emotional read part, but what do you mean by wanting to check if it were correct? How would you do so?

Datisi

1. Who is scummier out of dsj and Clidd?
2. I'm probably going to vote for Clidd, why shouldn't I?

dsj

1. On a scale of 0-10 how upset would you be if we chose Datisi?
2. Was there any sign in the hood that Cliid or Datisi were trying to get you not to reset my count (either by implying that if I didn't follow through I was scum or more directly)?
3. If you were in our position, who would you choose based on the public content currently available and why?
4. Who is scummier out of Clidd and Datisi to you and why?
5. Why didn't you post in the game thread?

[Ame]

Actually yeah, let's hear from Dsj. Sorry if self-voting that soon wasn't optimal though.

I think your choice was acceptable. Given the new rule, IF you think you are unable to be town read AND you think the other group has a significant chance of having a self-hammer, THEN it is best to self-vote.

[dsjstr]

dsj

1. On a scale of 0-10 how upset would you be if we chose Datisi?
2. Was there any sign in the hood that Cliid or Datisi were trying to get you not to reset my count (either by implying that if I didn't follow through I was scum or more directly)?
3. If you were in our position, who would you choose based on the public content currently available and why?
4. Who is scummier out of Clidd and Datisi to you and why?
5. Why didn't you post in the game thread?

1. 10
2. clidd out right said they would reset your count and Aaron agreed to it
3. No idea I'm glad I'm over here
4. I would say clidd, Aaron had an emotional response when it was revealed that this is the mafia side
5. I was busy with another game and then I fell asleep

[dsjstr]

I did kind of think that I was in the town hood so I just put this in my back pocket at the time.

[Kanna]

@Clidd; How was my intro so scummy that you had to have me as lockscum though? Also the previous round wasn't even my town meta, it was just me saying I'll come back later cause I was busy.

Team is Clidd/Datisi again, let's go guys

1. Your activity
2. Overreaction
3. Timing
4. Lamist
5. Lack of post-suspicion engagement

This with the fact that I thought it was unlikely that Datisi would be scum again, so I was sure my hood was entire town. I even tried to discuss this theory with them, but both were so receptive that I made the mistake of not doubting the lack of paranoia in our hood. They simulated a progression from "

Why do you think that?"

to

"we fully agree"

in a short period of time. I have proof of that, but I intend to paraphrasing it as soon as I get home.

Actually, 3 of these relate to activity. If you knew I was town in that last round and didn’t participate because I was busy then why do you think activity would be AI for me? Also I said this:

Wow, ok.

If you're thinking it's me based on my intro, take a look at my marathon games. I don't believe everyone who thinks is me is town honestly.

But why didn’t you check my marathon games to see if I was telling the truth? Or at least asked about it? You didn’t give me the benefit of the doubt at all there because you wanted to make an easy push

The second point is gamblers fallacy, clidd. At least one of you/dat rolled scum twice there (´• ᴗ •`✿)

[Kanna]

Also I’m tempted to vote dsj for revenge but probably shouldn’t let that affect my decision

[Kanna]

I guess my intro here is good for future reference though, sometimes I just wanna have fun