Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

[popsofctown]

I'm not expecting to get townread for it necessarily, but I am definitely not expecting to get scumread for it.

[implosion]

Like honestly if I'm scum I don't even know why I wouldn't take a hard stance on STRQ yesterday. It's kind of a terrible argument to call that scummy; if I'm scum yesterday (in fact, no matter who scum were yesterday) then scum were in an extremely strong position. Why would I as scum compromise that by staunchly refusing to take a stance on my dying buddy? I don't think there's any valid strategic reason for me to do that. I think there is one valid answer, and that's apathy... but why would I be more likely to be apathetic as scum than as town yesterday, with scum in such a good position? Apathy is the actual answer of why I didn't take a strong stance on STRQ, but it's not something I'd have been specifically more likely to have as scum.

[implosion]

I'm talking about lynching. You're happy to lynch Amrun into pops into implo?

I wouldn't use "happy" but willing, i mean, pretty much. I think it wins fairly often. I think Amrun into pops into someone that isn't me wins more often, of course. And I think your reasons for flipping on me are bad, and I think I'm still obvious enough town to merit not being one of the people that dies so as to make all our lives easier.

[implosion]

I also am still conflicted on you because you've been playing in a sort of "obvtown" way, but I really can't put my finger on how to actually read you.

[popsofctown]

You have no empathy for why I'm finding "pops is really towny and that's why she's scum" disingenuous-sounding?

[implosion]

that's a horrid misconstrual of what i'm saying and you know it is.

[implosion]

There are six people left in the game; five of them are not me; of those three of them I see reasons to townread that I think are better than those that I can actually trust myself on for you. When I say you're playing like "obvtown" in quotes, I mean that you're playing the game very well, are saying the right things at the right times to look good, etc; but I can't put my finger on how to read you, i.e., I think it's entirely plausible that all that is within your scum range or that the "townish" things you're doing are things that scum playing very well could do as well, and I can't find specific things that I'm confident are outside of it. I think it's entirely possible you're scum and playing this game quite well. I think it's less likely that any of looker/elmo/s_s are scum who are doing something similar.

[popsofctown]

Looker and Elmo are like, ok sure, but what basis is there that I have a better scumrange than S_S?

[implosion]

It's not exactly related to your scumrange vs his scumrange. It's that the things that I want at a gut level to call townish from you are the kinds of things that I think are more likely to be faked by scum that are playing well, and the things that I want to call townish from S_S are less at a gut level and more things that I think I can justify with reasons that have material veracity.

[popsofctown]

You feel that way about Looker also?

[implosion]

honestly as regards looker i still have at least a little bit of residual townread from.....ame's towncase x_x

and beyond that I'm mostly coasting off of early stuff/consensus for my read on looker, and the fact that people are saying looker specifically doesn't have a big scum range. So it's a bit different than S_S. But I do think the fact ame did the towncase is also like, some town points for looker. Probably not a lot. I'm probably wrong to think that at all, but i do!

[popsofctown]

If you are town I am, very frustrated with you

[implosion]

okay.

[Amrun]

I have things I want to do here that I hope to do tonight, but I’m still fine heavening S_S. That’s mainly what I wanted last heaven anyway.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm going to offer this proposal. Heaven me game goes on let me watch how this game plays out as we have a pretty good chance and my faith in so many reads is gone. This games gone down and were at in impasse for this day and heaven plays are a harder one then.otherwise. We need to get this right as we're in between a rock and hard place

[Looker]

Why the fuck do I need to die?
One can say the same about you. This games come to a full stop. It's a shame. It's also a shame I said I couldn't read the damn hydra and wanted them dead and the flip. Didn't vote Ame and wanted some time to get my reads in but life happened and someone then hammered.

• Because I feel you're full of shit
  • You keep insisting that the game has no traction, but you're the one who's not voting
  • You voted Amrun for the better part of D1, but then when I insist that one of you needs to die, you flail
  • You mislynched Wooper and only jumped on Team STRQ when it was clear that they'd be the plurality
  • More NAI disclaimers/excuses
• What can be said the same about me and why?

actually i might be wrong to townread pops. I think i'd rather like, townread elmo than pops?

Is this a question or a statement? I no longer townread you.

pops is like, playing really well, and talking in a way that makes me look at what she's saying and go "yeah, that's town". This has been the case since like mid yesterday. But that isn't really strictly necessarily town indicative, it's just like, good play.

What was the intent of this? Were you trying to discourage my townread of pops?

Like, I've been thinking more and more town on pops but I'm not sure that I've ever actually had a good reason for this. I think it's just the kind of read that I sort of lazily make sometimes. I'm not sure if I really know how to read pops.

I'm still just so not-sold on elmo being the scum though :\

I'm not accustomed to this stream of consciousness playstyle. It's as if you're waiting for others to interject and insert logic for you. I can't do this because I want you to be accountable for fuck-ups.

honestly as regards looker i still have at least a little bit of residual townread from.....ame's towncase x_x

and beyond that I'm mostly coasting off of early stuff/consensus for my read on looker, and the fact that people are saying looker specifically doesn't have a big scum range.

Except for Elmo. I’ve been thinking about this and I think it’s just outside of Elmo’s scumrange to do this. He’s town.

How do you make the determination of someone else's scumrange?

I'm going to offer this proposal. Heaven me game goes on let me watch how this game plays out as we have a pretty good chance and my faith in so many reads is gone. This games gone down and were at in impasse for this day and heaven plays are a harder one then.otherwise. We need to get this right as we're in between a rock and hard place

• Brazenly forced assumption. We Heaven you and the game ends because you're scum.
  
• Town apathy is a cheap trick and I'm not going to let you exploit it to make a quick run for Heaven
  
• "Rock and a hard place" observation is valueless

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• Stall tactics are cheap - is this really the best that y'all've got? Heaven me today and kill Amrun or Elmo tomorrow.
  
• @pops: I don't hate your pink text anymore, but purple is beautiful

[Something_Smart]

I'm going to offer this proposal. Heaven me game goes on let me watch how this game plays out as we have a pretty good chance and my faith in so many reads is gone. This games gone down and were at in impasse for this day and heaven plays are a harder one then.otherwise. We need to get this right as we're in between a rock and hard place

What's the proposal here? Just that we do the thing that's clearly optimal from your POV?

[Looker]

Since I just read the dead thread, I would never fake a V/LA or IRL issue. It’s a little upsetting people thought that. I’d like to see any of you maintain a game when your very small child is actually very ill to the point he was eventually hospitalized. That is not fair.

I do mostly play at work, gobbles is right, though I wouldn’t categorize weekends as v/la in the way I used to 6 years ago. (Just only have time to snipe post mostly)

• Just so Elmo knows that I'm very paranoid by nature. Amrun was scum this game.

[Looker]

And is probably scum this one, too

[implosion]

Honestly, stream of consciousness-ing is almost certainly one of the aspects of my town play that i am distinctly bad at emulating as scum. The intent of my last couple pages is just to say what I'm thinking; not strictly to discourage your townread of pops but to try and see if I can get a better read on her in some way. I've still been plenty clear with what my reads are at the moment.

The scum range thing is basically just that people have talked a lot about things you've done this game that they claim you're bad at emulating as scum; so in your case it's just based on what other people are saying. For e.g. pops or S_S it's more abstract, and I'm probably using the term scumrange in a way that's obscuring what I'm trying to communicate rather than making it clearer. In pops's case I'm really just using it as a proxy to mean "the kind of thing that scum playing well are generally capable of doing".

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Fuck it.
Either we see tomorrow. Or game ends.

VOTE: looker

I get to a point where I just learn to stop thinking and giving a shit.
I've passed this point.

You want to tell me Amrun isn't scum. No one seemed that interested in my case then but you want to hear it now. The hydra was too wish washy the entire game. And d1 flips help. Tbh I feel bad about Whooper. If this is the case why the fuck would I kill someone who sees me as obvious town? Once again WHY IT WAS AN EASY HEAVEN PHASE FOR ME IF I DIDN'T KILL HIM

[implosion]

i really just don't see a world in which scum-elmo keeps making posts like that.

[Looker]

Honestly, stream of consciousness-ing is almost certainly one of the aspects of my town play that i am distinctly bad at emulating as scum.

Says who? Says you? You understand why I wouldn't believe this, right?

The scum range thing is basically just that people have talked a lot about things you've done this game that they claim you're bad at emulating as scum; so in your case it's just based on what other people are saying. For e.g. pops or S_S it's more abstract, and I'm probably using the term scumrange in a way that's obscuring what I'm trying to communicate rather than making it clearer. In pops's case I'm really just using it as a proxy to mean "the kind of thing that scum playing well are generally capable of doing".

Who are you Heavening today?

Fuck it.
Either we see tomorrow. Or game ends.

VOTE: looker

I get to a point where I just learn to stop thinking and giving a shit.
I've passed this point.

Is this more of you relinquishing accountability for your actions?

You want to tell me Amrun isn't scum.

Before I respond, does this sentence require any edits?

If this is the case why the fuck would I kill someone who sees me as obvious town?

Who were your alternatives?

Once again WHY IT WAS AN EASY HEAVEN PHASE FOR ME IF I DIDN'T KILL HIM

Again. Edits?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

You know I've wanted the hydra dead Day 1. I never had a reason to move my vote from Amrun as I was getting a feel to play mafia. Again

[implosion]

Says who? Says you? You understand why I wouldn't believe this, right?

Yep.

Who are you Heavening today?

I'd say in order of preference at this exact moment: me, elmo, you, or S_S. Whoever is highest on that list with enough support. Not in a hurry though.