Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@Ico

On a scale of 1-10, how offended are you that Doobie has scumread you for that?

pedit: that's quite the hot take...

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I've disregarded no one with the exception of Menal. This game has just been very weird looking at it from it nk to the claims to just where we stand now.
It's paper tossing

It doesnt make sense then, as to why did you not mention doobie at all when asked about the players put in the cage

Have they chimed in yet? No.

[72offsuit]

@ 72offsuit

1.

I believe you don't like me at all, regardless of the alignment you are in. Why did you appear to be more open in post 344, considering that only our reads are similar? why are you being more receptive to me when in the other two games you were totally against my considerations?

2.

Why did you never consider the possibility of me being a scum?

3.

Why do you prefer Walrus over Eqsy as a primary option for lynch?

4.

What would your guess be if you had to speculate who the second mason is?

5.

If Menalque happened to be scum in a hypothetical scenario, who do you think would be most likely to be his partner?

6.

Imagine that you are scum in this game, what would be your D1 strategy?

7.

What would be the possible partner if Hajimari were a scum?

8.

Last question: consider that you are PR in this game, but suddenly you noticed that Menalque and Ico claimed mason. You are, of course, not a mason, but you chose not to reveal yourself to the public. You believe that hiding may be beneficial in a way. Considering that your strategy was not to hold the CC today, what would be your course of action tomorrow?

[/b]

1 TBC... And this game so far I read you more as being town.

2. I have a townlean on you. I haven;t ruled you out as being mafia, you could most definitely be scum, I just don't see any scum-indicative behaviour so far.

3. I want to pressure Walrus more. There are still 4 days of D1. He is lurking and the posts he has posted don't give me the impression of a townie scum-hunting.

4. I don;t see how you asking me this and me responding to this is pro-town. If you or anyone else can explain and convince me of the benefit of this question, then I'll answer.

5. In the hypothetical scenario that Menal is mason:

Lotus/esqy - most probable, given post 213, where they say they believe the claim

NOT Ico - I doubt ico would have agreed to this plan and the response from ico was quite emphatic, felt like genuine frustration to mena's claim.
NOT Elmo - due to post 168 where she calls it a bad claim and because mena scumreads her
NOT me - because mena scum-read me

6. D1 strategy is to lynch the townie that I could most effectively paint as being scummy that looks like genuine scumhunting.

7. If Ata is scum, current read would be probably within {Clidd, Elmo, Walrus or Doobie} - middle tiers in reads list

8. I'd probably tentatively guess that its vanilla townie vs vanilla townie claiming masons
Depends on the night kill, depends on what my exact PR role was and what result i got from my night action.
If I had a guilty-ish/mafia-indicative report, I would allow for some scumhunting by town to proceed, see what evolves out of the mason claim situation if nethier claim died, and then out it towards the middle of the day: to allow for scumhunting early on, but to also allow enough time at the end of day for discussion of the report, my claim, and planning for the days ahead.

[/b]

IF doobie is town, ya'll should probably lynch 72 next I think.

This exchange feels like it might have felt to 72off that Clidd was a power role playing on menal and my claims. 72's answer makes me feel this way.

Whatever. You are barking up the wrong tree. Regardless, that actually is mean. Its like you are penalising me for playing well as scum last game.

Clidd was in that game with me and has said that im town this game, so you saying this makes no sense.

[72offsuit]

He asked me a question and i answered it.

[72offsuit]

I've disregarded no one with the exception of Menal. This game has just been very weird looking at it from it nk to the claims to just where we stand now.
It's paper tossing

It doesnt make sense then, as to why did you not mention doobie at all when asked about the players put in the cage

Have they chimed in yet? No.

Im not asking about doobie reaction or chiming in.

I asked you who was scum and you DIDNT EVEN MENTION DOOBIE

[Iconeum]

@Ico

On a scale of 1-10, how offended are you that Doobie has scumread you for that?

pedit: that's quite the hot take...

probably a 12

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the problem i have is the fact that there is no townie progression, and the read feels faked and that doobie got stuck with it

[Iconeum]

pedit: that's quite the hot take...

it's a spicey nightkill and i was rereading the game to see if i could find any indication to what might have happened and that's about all i could come up with outside of *newb scum made a woopsie*

[Iconeum]

I asked you who was scum and you DIDNT EVEN MENTION DOOBIE

do you realize it was Elmo who kept insisting on hammering the scum previous day, and then did so?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Why are we going back to the cage?
Your right. Maybe I'm not focused on that since I've been attacked by you all day. And it's slightly annoying as fuck. I'm also a little tired at the moment and hitting hr 10 and didn't sleep well last night. But this thread is a nice read.

Once again I'll defend my hammer yesterday but eh.

[72offsuit]

I asked you who was scum and you DIDNT EVEN MENTION DOOBIE

do you realize it was Elmo who kept insisting on hammering the scum previous day, and then did so?

So what?

[Iconeum]

I asked you who was scum and you DIDNT EVEN MENTION DOOBIE

do you realize it was Elmo who kept insisting on hammering the scum previous day, and then did so?

So what?

do you think it's very likely he *wanted* to hammer his buddy so badly?

[72offsuit]

I asked you who was scum and you DIDNT EVEN MENTION DOOBIE

do you realize it was Elmo who kept insisting on hammering the scum previous day, and then did so?

Clidd was alrdy going to hammer anyway.

I think ive confused myself though. Elmo has a Join date of 2011, mustve confused game experience with another slot.
It probs is doobie.

[Iconeum]

Clidd was alrdy going to hammer anyway.

this is a way too easy of a dismissal of what Elmo did

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Elmo has a Join date of 2011, mustve confused game experience with another slot.

I was here before that date but the tigers ate that one.

[Iconeum]

hold up i think i had a conclusion about something that might actually be backward

[Iconeum]

@ 72offsuit

1.

I believe you don't like me at all, regardless of the alignment you are in. Why did you appear to be more open in post 344, considering that only our reads are similar? why are you being more receptive to me when in the other two games you were totally against my considerations?

2.

Why did you never consider the possibility of me being a scum?

3.

Why do you prefer Walrus over Eqsy as a primary option for lynch?

4.

What would your guess be if you had to speculate who the second mason is?

5.

If Menalque happened to be scum in a hypothetical scenario, who do you think would be most likely to be his partner?

6.

Imagine that you are scum in this game, what would be your D1 strategy?

7.

What would be the possible partner if Hajimari were a scum?

8.

Last question: consider that you are PR in this game, but suddenly you noticed that Menalque and Ico claimed mason. You are, of course, not a mason, but you chose not to reveal yourself to the public. You believe that hiding may be beneficial in a way. Considering that your strategy was not to hold the CC today, what would be your course of action tomorrow?

[/b]

1 TBC... And this game so far I read you more as being town.

2. I have a townlean on you. I haven;t ruled you out as being mafia, you could most definitely be scum, I just don't see any scum-indicative behaviour so far.

3. I want to pressure Walrus more. There are still 4 days of D1. He is lurking and the posts he has posted don't give me the impression of a townie scum-hunting.

4. I don;t see how you asking me this and me responding to this is pro-town. If you or anyone else can explain and convince me of the benefit of this question, then I'll answer.

5. In the hypothetical scenario that Menal is mason:

Lotus/esqy - most probable, given post 213, where they say they believe the claim

NOT Ico - I doubt ico would have agreed to this plan and the response from ico was quite emphatic, felt like genuine frustration to mena's claim.
NOT Elmo - due to post 168 where she calls it a bad claim and because mena scumreads her
NOT me - because mena scum-read me

6. D1 strategy is to lynch the townie that I could most effectively paint as being scummy that looks like genuine scumhunting.

7. If Ata is scum, current read would be probably within {Clidd, Elmo, Walrus or Doobie} - middle tiers in reads list

8. I'd probably tentatively guess that its vanilla townie vs vanilla townie claiming masons
Depends on the night kill, depends on what my exact PR role was and what result i got from my night action.
If I had a guilty-ish/mafia-indicative report, I would allow for some scumhunting by town to proceed, see what evolves out of the mason claim situation if nethier claim died, and then out it towards the middle of the day: to allow for scumhunting early on, but to also allow enough time at the end of day for discussion of the report, my claim, and planning for the days ahead.

[/b]

IF doobie is town, ya'll should probably lynch 72 next I think.

This exchange feels like it might have felt to 72off that Clidd was a power role playing on menal and my claims. 72's answer makes me feel this way.

what's everyone thoughts about clidd?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

what's everyone thoughts about clidd?

Really not sure what you're asking. He flipped town.

[Menalque]

I've disregarded no one with the exception of Menal. This game has just been very weird looking at it from it nk to the claims to just where we stand now.
It's paper tossing

You think I might be scum?

You heard it here first, I am townier then conf!town

[WizenedWalrus]

Clidd was alrdy going to hammer anyway.

this is a way too easy of a dismissal of what Elmo did

FWIW, that was my feeling when it went down yesterday, that elmo was only voting to try for townie cred, especially as clidd had already announced that he was going to vote for jormengand.

Anyhow, looking at the voting records so far:

Iconeum

:
29: day 1 hang vote from iconeum for atarashi (atarashi,menalque,clidd,iconeum,jormengand,doobietime:1)
49: day 1 hang vote from iconeum for jormengand (jormengand:3; menalque,iconeum,doobietime:1)
145: day 1 hang vote from iconeum for menalque (menalque:2; atarashi,jormengand,iconeum,doobietime:1)
206: day 1 hang vote from iconeum for menalque (menalque:3; iconeum,atarashi:1)
269: day 1 hang vote from iconeum rescinding the hang vote that was previously cast for for menalque (iconeum,menalque:2)
531: day 1 hang vote from iconeum for doobietime (jormengand:2; iconeum,walrus,doobietime,clidd:1)
574: day 1 hang vote from iconeum for jormengand (jormengand:3; clidd,iconeum:1)
597: day 1 hang vote from iconeum rescinding the hang vote that was previously cast for for jormengand (jormengand:3; iconeum,clidd:1)
680: day 1 hang vote from iconeum for doobietime (jormengand:3; clidd,doobietime:1)
690: day 1 hang vote from iconeum rescinding the hang vote that was previously cast for for doobietime (jormengand:3; clidd:1)
726: day 1 hang vote from iconeum for jormengand (jormengand:4; clidd:1)

Very strong & active voting pattern; along with the uncontested mason claim icon is almost certainly town, in spite of the odd night kill.

atarashi

:
7: day 1 hang vote from atarashi for clidd (clidd:1)
42: day 1 hang vote from atarashi for jormengand (jormengand:2; menalque,iconeum,atarashi,doobietime:1)
147: day 1 hang vote from atarashi for menalque (menalque:3; doobietime,atarashi,iconeum:1)
162: day 1 hang vote from atarashi rescinding the hang vote that was previously cast for for menalque (menalque:2; doobietime,iconeum,atarashi:1)
300: day 1 hang vote from atarashi for jormengand (menalque,iconeum:2; jormengand:1)
758: day 2 hang vote from atarashi for doobietime (doobietime:2)

Early interaction with lotus has them looking credible, and the way they went back to pushing for lotus after the dust settled between menalque & iconeum make it seem more likely they are town.

menalque

:
9: day 1 hang vote from menalque for iconeum (clidd,iconeum:1)
62: day 1 hang vote from menalque for elmo (jormengand:2; iconeum,doobietime,atarashi,menalque,elmo:1)
82: day 1 hang vote from menalque rescinding the hang vote that was previously cast for for elmo (jormengand:2; menalque,iconeum,atarashi,doobietime:1)
744: day 2 hang vote from menalque for 72offsuit (72offsuit:1)
745: day 2 hang vote from menalque for doobietime (doobietime:1)

As pro-town as menalque has seemed, this slot's record doesn't actually look all that good. guiltylion voted for elmo when the pressure was on lotus.

72offsuit

:
13: day 1 hang vote from 72offsuit for jormengand (doobietime,jormengand,iconeum,clidd:1)
53: day 1 hang vote from 72offsuit for atarashi (jormengand:2; iconeum,doobietime,menalque,atarashi:1)
223: day 1 hang vote from 72offsuit for menalque (menalque:3; iconeum:2)
396: day 1 hang vote from 72offsuit for walrus (jormengand,menalque,walrus,elmo,iconeum:1)
559: day 1 hang vote from 72offsuit for jormengand (jormengand:3; doobietime,iconeum,clidd:1)
562: day 1 hang vote from 72offsuit rescinding the hang vote that was previously cast for for jormengand (jormengand:2; doobietime,iconeum,clidd:1)
583: day 1 hang vote from 72offsuit for jormengand (jormengand:4; clidd,iconeum:1)
766: day 2 hang vote from 72offsuit for doobietime (doobietime:3)
776: day 2 hang vote from 72offsuit for doobietime (doobietime:3)

First vote for jormengand was RVS, so not much cred gained there, especially as they switched to vote atarashi when lotus got to three votes. Not sure if they every explained their unvote in #562. Was very defensive under questioning by menalque.

A lot of what he's pointing out about elmo does seem to ring true to me though.

doobietime

:
56: day 1 hang vote from doobietime for iconeum (jormengand,iconeum:2; atarashi,menalque,doobietime:1)
623: day 1 hang vote from doobietime rescinding the hang vote that was previously cast for for iconeum (jormengand:3; clidd:1)

Um, yeah. doobie's voting record is horrible. Looks very much like n00b baddie, especially with the choice of night kill. If we don't hear something convincing from her, no real choice but to lynch her.

elmo

:
10: day 1 hang vote from elmo for doobietime (iconeum,doobietime,clidd:1)
192: day 1 hang vote from elmo for menalque (menalque:3; atarashi,iconeum:1)
441: day 1 hang vote from elmo for clidd (iconeum,jormengand,elmo,clidd,walrus:1)
737: day 1 hang vote from elmo for jormengand (jormengand:5)
812: day 2 hang vote from elmo for 72offsuit (doobietime:3; 72offsuit:1)

The vote for menalque was understandable, given his play.
The vote for clidd seemed pro-town and raised some good points about his lack of voting.
Arguing against getting another replacement for the lotus spot seemed odd and anti-town, limiting the info we'd have to work with.
I still don't understand why the hammer for jormengand when clidd had already said he was going to hammer in 729.
Used the same "lining up lynches" reasoning when voting for 72 today, as used for clidd yesterday.

So, at this point, unless we here something amazing from doobie, I'm thinking we should probably hang doobie today. The two noob baddie scenario seems pretty plausible, although this post gives me a little doubt: 18 -- would a baddie really post this about their teammate??

I feel I need to find some time to read back the early part of the game before I joined in more detail; I should have some time for that after lunch.

[Doobietime]

Hi,

I have coronavirus and feel absolutely awful. Not sure how to proceed, think it's best that you replace/lynch me. Guessing lynch because we know Elmo doesn't like to let a replacement enter a scummy slot.

Genuinely am a VT (just like scum would say) so prepare to be perplexed. My bad.

Sorry if I actually offended you, Iconeum. I'll be a 15 on the scale, though, if you flip red.

Really sad to leave but it's the best for the game I think. Sorry. You guys are great, I've learnt a lot. Probably going to behave the same way when I feel better and join a new game though, so feel free to steer clear.

[Datisi]

Doobietime has requested replacement, searching...

[Menalque]

Ugh, UNVOTE:

[Menalque]

Feel better doobie

[Menalque]

I feel like we should lynch doobie but I also really don’t want to lynch doobie

[Menalque]

VOTE: 72