Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 2.05

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Lynching

72offsuit

(3): Elmo TeH AzN, Menalque, Iconeum

BP

(1): Atarashi Hajimari

Not Voting

(3): BP, WizenedWalrus, 72offsuit

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-22 16:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.
  
• WizenedWalrus standing V/LA weekends.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Also, the sincerity of the analysis seems hella sketch.

Off the top of my head the only scumfeel I have to say is maybe that the other scum was on the lynch wagon. Having a scum partner that is constantly being replaced (and played as badly as Eqsy) is no good. I'd say throwing him under the bus would be a good tradeoff since most people were already on him.

You say this, but you don't have a single solid town-read on anything in this game, and have multiple reasons to doubt people's townieness just right under it.

I'm conflicted on Atari

because they provide some deeper analysis but seems to be unwilling to join wagons.

That is kinda scummy in my book

because it reads as active scumhunting without the repercussions. They tried to push a wagon on my slot, and when everyone went after eqsy they stayed put. If scum isn't on the eqsy wagon it's them.

Menal reads townish

but

to be honest his gameplay just throws me off.

Ico is actively scumhunting, which is nice,

but

I don't know whether it's town scumhunting or scum

trying to manage and direct town sentiment elsewhere. Somewhere on the thread he said something that read as being comfortable being lynched, so for now townie vibes.

[BP]

*sighs* I hate subbing in.

Then why did you?

I really wanted to play and sometimes a player has to bite the bullet. People have subbed for me before, so sometimes we all have to play a part in it.

Also, I only dislike subbing in due to the amount of things to read. I might have had objectively wrong impressions because even trying not to skim and actively read, it's tough when it's 36 pages of content with 13 players. It's mindnumbing at times. Which is why I don't understand Ico's jump on having a 'headache' at page 20.

unwilling to join wagons. That is kinda scummy in my book because it reads as active scumhunting without the repercussions.

1. Not only is the eqsy example of this just wrong, but you dont even point out the blatantly obvious examples of when Ico wanted to hop to the doobie slot last DP and I stayed on eqsy, and when people are hopping onto 72off right now and I'm staying on you. The fact that you ignore two correct examples and focus on an incorrect one is strange.

2. Moreover, this analysis seems weird. What reprocussion is there to not joining a wagon?

As a side note, what was your read on clidd's behavior this game if you ignore his flip?

1. I will have to read your ISO. If it's as you say, and if that was your intention, I stand corrected and you'll lean null at least.

2. There are always repercussions to joining or not joining a wagon, depending on how people are reading you. In this specific case, because I thought you were pointing fingers at one person and having the vote on another, you could have claimed innocence regardless. i e if the vote flips red, then you were right, if they flip green then you were wrong but you were FoSing someone else so you're able to claim that you were torn and lynched the wrong dude. Much different to have a tunnel on someone from whose flip you're 100% liable.

Does that make sense? Did I explain myself properly?

[BP]

Also, the sincerity of the analysis seems hella sketch.

Off the top of my head the only scumfeel I have to say is maybe that the other scum was on the lynch wagon. Having a scum partner that is constantly being replaced (and played as badly as Eqsy) is no good. I'd say throwing him under the bus would be a good tradeoff since most people were already on him.

You say this, but you don't have a single solid town-read on anything in this game, and have multiple reasons to doubt people's townieness just right under it.

I'm conflicted on Atari

because they provide some deeper analysis but seems to be unwilling to join wagons.

That is kinda scummy in my book

because it reads as active scumhunting without the repercussions. They tried to push a wagon on my slot, and when everyone went after eqsy they stayed put. If scum isn't on the eqsy wagon it's them.

Menal reads townish

but

to be honest his gameplay just throws me off.

Ico is actively scumhunting, which is nice,

but

I don't know whether it's town scumhunting or scum

trying to manage and direct town sentiment elsewhere. Somewhere on the thread he said something that read as being comfortable being lynched, so for now townie vibes.

Why is that bad? I'm mistrusting by nature playing mafia. I don't like people who try to lead. Town is usually clueless on D1. Maybe on a game with masons, where there's a bit more info to go on but even so.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Why is that bad? I'm mistrusting by nature playing mafia.

There's a difference between being mistrusting and throwing shade at borderline confirmed townies to keep mislynch options open. You also don't take a solid stance on a single player in the game in your reads list and sit on the fence with all but arguably Elmo. One's standard fare of playing mafia, and one's standard fare of

being

mafia.

I don't like people who try to lead.

Given this statement, why do you list Ico as townish, as it was the one leading the wagon on you before this recent jump?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I'm off to sleep now. I hope by the time I wake up we've lynched the Doobie-slot.

[72offsuit]

@ Ico: I feel like you are trying to make this into a hard game.
When you hear hoofs/hooves, think horses not zebras. Occum's razor - more or less, "the simplest solution is most likely the right one"
The clear mason is not chosen as the nightill therefore its noob scum. I really don't know why you are going on tangents and talking about Clidd when Clidd called me town and knows my meta.

[72offsuit]

BP meta:

Newbie 1621: Kitchen Chaos
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62311

BP was pretty jokey throughout: Just the first handful of posts included:

''Unvote whoever. ''

''I'll get started on reading. I mean reading you guys. Brace thyselves.''

''Ugh, Angry Frog's gameplay. In my slot's name I do apologize Anyways, quickreading this is what really stuck to me.''

''Jesus Christ, page 6 gave me a fright. You were seriously going to lynch Vedith? Nheh, I read him as town. I know getting info from the lynch is often a good idea, but I seriously read him as town. The fearlessness mainly gives me that vibe.''

This last post ín that game pretty much fels like it echoes his "'Page 13 and WTF" post in this game

Town game:
Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62603

Mostly serious and straight forward as town

1. BP here resembles BP scum meta.
2. Don;t get any townie vibes from BP's entrance.
3. My newb-scum night kill choice theory works for doobie.

VOTE: Doobie

[72offsuit]

Lol, probs a bit harsh/unfair to vote for Doobie when she has left the game.

VOTE: BP

[BP]

Why is that bad? I'm mistrusting by nature playing mafia.

There's a difference between being mistrusting and throwing shade at borderline confirmed townies to keep mislynch options open. You also don't take a solid stance on a single player in the game in your reads list and sit on the fence with all but arguably Elmo. One's standard fare of playing mafia, and one's standard fare of

being

mafia.

Given this statement, why do you list Ico as townish, as it was the one leading the wagon on you before this recent jump?

I agree with you but I hope you know there's also a difference between keeping lynching options open and not being too inflexible on my opinions on people's alignment based on 1 read on my first 12 hours playing the game. Cut me some slack I've only just arrived, all I did was give out some impressions on why I think player X leans green/red, but not too strict because I wanna engage with this people before committing.

Will you still think the same if I change my mind on Elmo and/or Walrus, who are my strongest reads, am I not allowed to anymore?

I don't like people who try to lead.

By default. Again, they can change into a town read. What I was trying to convey was that

even tho

I don't instinctively like people who try to lead, they can still vibe in townie green. Ico does. The only thing stopping me putting him higher in my townreads is the fact he's leading this. I'm wary of that because it's too good of a spot for scum.

[72offsuit]

UVC:

72offsuit (3): Elmo TeH AzN, Menalque, Iconeum
BP (2): Atarashi Hajimari, 72offsuit

Not Voting (2): BP, WizenedWalrus

[BP]

BP meta:

Newbie 1621: Kitchen Chaos
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62311

BP was pretty jokey throughout: Just the first handful of posts included:

''Unvote whoever. ''

''I'll get started on reading. I mean reading you guys. Brace thyselves.''

''Ugh, Angry Frog's gameplay. In my slot's name I do apologize Anyways, quickreading this is what really stuck to me.''

''Jesus Christ, page 6 gave me a fright. You were seriously going to lynch Vedith? Nheh, I read him as town. I know getting info from the lynch is often a good idea, but I seriously read him as town. The fearlessness mainly gives me that vibe.''

This last post ín that game pretty much fels like it echoes his "'Page 13 and WTF" post in this game

Town game:
Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62603

Mostly serious and straight forward as town

1. BP here resembles BP scum meta.
2. Don;t get any townie vibes from BP's entrance.
3. My newb-scum night kill choice theory works for doobie.

VOTE: Doobie

So you're voting me based on my two games 5 years ago? Stop trying to make the wagon on you not happen so desperately.

I was jokey at first here as well. I voted for coronavirus, yes. I then immediately started to provide my insight, however superficial, and got involved in a discussion with a player. That's what happened with the dandy mafia as well. It's something common to the three games.

Tell me something. Who should we lynch if you get lynched and flip town?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: DP

[BP]

Posts 587 and 589 are really weird reactions to the wagon on eqsy. First you say you find the lack of a counterwagon weird. Then you say if they flip scum there's nothing to be done because the game is wacky (again, I don't know why Ico didn't jump on this as well, like he did with my 'headache' comment - there's many of these).

Then you kinda go back and forth with the eqsy slot that seems approaching at a distance, like you're afraid of being connected. Post 677. Irks me, even if he tries to backpedal on 716. But again, it's a very weak one because on 715 he tries to establish a Menal + Elmo/Doobie scumteam.

738 is the lynch.

After this he votes my slot appearing out of nothing. Before, he put 2 people above me on his scumreads, saying I had a 50.5% chance to be scum (717)

After a while he starts to hardpress Elmo, even calling him the worst scumtell - 824. The guy who hammered scum, for having hammered... Anyways...

Then he says he had a scumread on Elmo the day before (which is true), but presses him while keeping the vote on me the whole time. That could be scum!72 trying not to deflect too much out of a bus on someone else. Says he's been scummy on both days but keeps voting me because I'm the smart lynch (when agreeing with Atari on 839.

Unvotes when doobie gets subbed. Checks out my meta, votes me.

You lean scum, along with walrus. I'd say it's one of you. Plus, you both tick my "was on the prev scum wagon" box.

Updated readlist:

town: Elmo
townish: Menal, Ico
Null: atari
Scummish: walrus, 72.

[BP]

[quote="In post 912, Iconeum"][/quote]

My name has two letters. Mind not misspelling it?

Don't worry, I don't intend to hammer 72.

If you hammer me, lynch him next.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

@Mod V/LA Till Friday pending

I just slept 14 hours and I'm still tired. Took a shower and was hacking up my lungs. Partner has a sore throat and can barely talk. Hoping it's nothing but allergies. But eh.

Got it. - D

[72offsuit]

Posts 587 and 589 are really weird reactions to the wagon on eqsy. First you say you find the lack of a counterwagon weird. Then you say if they flip scum there's nothing to be done because the game is wacky (again, I don't know why Ico didn't jump on this as well, like he did with my 'headache' comment - there's many of these).

Then you kinda go back and forth with the eqsy slot that seems approaching at a distance, like you're afraid of being connected. Post 677. Irks me, even if he tries to backpedal on 716. But again, it's a very weak one because on 715 he tries to establish a Menal + Elmo/Doobie scumteam.

738 is the lynch.

After this he votes my slot appearing out of nothing. Before, he put 2 people above me on his scumreads, saying I had a 50.5% chance to be scum (717)

After a while he starts to hardpress Elmo, even calling him the worst scumtell - 824. The guy who hammered scum, for having hammered... Anyways...

Then he says he had a scumread on Elmo the day before (which is true), but presses him while keeping the vote on me the whole time. That could be scum!72 trying not to deflect too much out of a bus on someone else. Says he's been scummy on both days but keeps voting me because I'm the smart lynch (when agreeing with Atari on 839.

Unvotes when doobie gets subbed. Checks out my meta, votes me.

You lean scum, along with walrus. I'd say it's one of you. Plus, you both tick my "was on the prev scum wagon" box.

Updated readlist:

town: Elmo
townish: Menal, Ico
Null: atari
Scummish: walrus, 72.

LOL i vote. You and suddenly i become total scum from a. Null.

[72offsuit]

BP meta:

Newbie 1621: Kitchen Chaos
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62311

BP was pretty jokey throughout: Just the first handful of posts included:

''Unvote whoever. ''

''I'll get started on reading. I mean reading you guys. Brace thyselves.''

''Ugh, Angry Frog's gameplay. In my slot's name I do apologize Anyways, quickreading this is what really stuck to me.''

''Jesus Christ, page 6 gave me a fright. You were seriously going to lynch Vedith? Nheh, I read him as town. I know getting info from the lynch is often a good idea, but I seriously read him as town. The fearlessness mainly gives me that vibe.''

This last post ín that game pretty much fels like it echoes his "'Page 13 and WTF" post in this game

Town game:
Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62603

Mostly serious and straight forward as town

1. BP here resembles BP scum meta.
2. Don;t get any townie vibes from BP's entrance.
3. My newb-scum night kill choice theory works for doobie.

VOTE: Doobie

So you're voting me based on my two games 5 years ago? Stop trying to make the wagon on you not happen so desperately.

I was jokey at first here as well. I voted for coronavirus, yes. I then immediately started to provide my insight, however superficial, and got involved in a discussion with a player. That's what happened with the dandy mafia as well. It's something common to the three games.

Tell me something. Who should we lynch if you get lynched and flip town?

No im voting you 80 percent based on doobie being new and most likely to night kill clidd.
20 percent is your meta reading like scum and nothing from your entrance pinging me as townie.

[Menalque]

I just drove over a thousand kilometres in the last 16 or so hours and haven’t slept more than 15 minutes in the last ~27 and I’m being held at the ferry port because the french government hasn’t confirmed yet that it will let brits go home

I’m actually doing surprisingly well considering all of that but haven’t really got time to play the game yet and prob won’t until tomorrow

[BP]

LOL i vote. You and suddenly i become total scum from a. Null.

It's important to note that I said you were null because I didn't really pay much attention to you, not because I couldn't read you. I said I'd ISO you before you voted me. The fact that your ISO reads scummy is on you, not me.

Personally, I think you'd do best to address the concerns I raised about your ISO than just assume it's a OMGUS and therefore none of the questions I raised were valid. That's just an easy way out.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Also hi BP long time no see

[WizenedWalrus]

Sorry guys, been real busy at work dealing with corona-related changes in workflow. I hope everyone else effected all the best, especially doobie, get better. I think I should hit a lull tomorrow morning, and should have more time for analysis then.

Haven't had time to do much but skim the latest, my reads at the moment:

suspect list: BP, 72, elmo
town lean: atarashi
probably town: menalque
almost certainly town: iconeum

BP: you said something about me flip-flopping, which didn't ring true to me at all. What are you talking about?

By default. Again, they can change into a town read. What I was trying to convey was that even tho I don't instinctively like people who try to lead, they can still vibe in townie green. Ico does. The only thing stopping me putting him higher in my townreads is the fact he's leading this. I'm wary of that because it's too good of a spot for scum.

Um, what? Walk me through the scenario where ico is bad please?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Um, what? Walk me through the scenario where ico is bad please?

Going to answer this but I can sense the line of thinking.

Ever think someone can be too town to kill or someone leading the town around? I mean its possible.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Well, we've made some progress. Just need one more.

[BP]

Nothing to say on my posts Atar? Not even the ISO I did on why 72 is the scummiest of us all?