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[Wooper]

i have several issues w ur posting already but just liek real quick

I'm not doing anything until we get input from Crush, CJN, and Homura.

I thought you were basically locked on me!scum + Titus!scum

having two scumreads doesn't disqualify one from sorting confidence levels of other reads

what are you trying to accomplish with this?

[Menalque]

my point is that I think that for someone who seems as confident in his reads as LL seems to be then acting like it's

omg super important that all the other slots post too!

is basically just posturing

[Wooper]

what gives u the impression its posturing rather than just, earnest sorting

[Wooper]

like we're playin a game of intents & rhetoric
it's either posturing or generating sorting content suer

so ur welcome 2 say "WOW POSTURING"
but i see it and think it's kinda just fine?
liek i'd be really interested in hearing what makes you go

POSTURING!

so quickly bc it sounds more like rhetoric than actual analysis of intent

[Menalque]

like it doesn't make sense with what else he seems to have displayed

look at the confidence level on phoenix!scum beforehand on D1

then the confidence level he's outputting on being right again today

which is kind of janky on its own bc if he's town then having been totally wrong on D1 should make you question your accuracy, but w/e that's sort of immaterial

the point is that he shouldn't if he's as confident in his solve as he is, be trying to sort those slots, he should be trying to convince them to get votes down on me/Titus

[Menalque]

like ducky, I know you're scum and that you're going to force this 1v1 (which, incidentally is incredibly +scum for you) but maybe let me finish catching up first?

[Menalque]

also you're obviously going to say it's "just fine" because you're either partners or you're pocketing him lmao

[Menalque]

r u srs I called titus/non scumteam non is replaced by a capable player who proceeds to derptunnel me based on a misrepresentative meta & toneread on my predecessor based on pg. 6 while Titus has absolutely no capacity to engage with anything that's happening itt in good faith

am I like
literally just 2/2?

this is scumposting ducky

I'm not derptunneling you

the meta I'm using is not misrepresentative, and my reasons for reading cheeky as scum are very valid

why is Titus not engaging with anything in good faith?

[Wooper]

look i wouldn't have voted ph0enix d1 but i think it was a pretty town motivated wagon
someone playin the game havin reads and backin themselves on their reads isn't really a scum indicator

someone not checkin themselves on incorrect gamestate analysis and consequently flippin their reads isn't scum indicative. like especially for a newbie who might not have a strong feelin on how to read a gamestate yet

i thought ll's pred was towny ll's d1 was towny and ll's d2 so far has been towny too and liek, the fact he's confident in his reads doesn't shaek that for me

it v much feels 2 me like you set out to have this read on ll dude :/

[Wooper]

like ducky, I know you're scum and that you're going to force this 1v1 (which, incidentally is incredibly +scum for you) but maybe let me finish catching up first?

if i was tryna force a 1v1 i'd probs be doin less sortin and doin more tryin to actually lynch u can u pls focus on game related things a bit more

[Wooper]

also you're obviously going to say it's "just fine" because you're either partners or you're pocketing him lmao

i'm gonna say it's fine bc i don't think it's an ai post!!
like picking something so minor out of his legitimately towny iso and being like "wow this is scummy" is posturing

i could make an argument that it's towny, and i could make an argument that it's scummy, but i don't really feel like either is legitimate, and feel like you're applying some really weirdly 3d chess expert player expectations to the way ll is approaching reads :s

[Menalque]

Titus unvotes Menalque rather than immediately shifting her vote to another player. She's uncertain how she's meant to be viewing the replace-in - she doesn't have an actual read on the replace-in.

After this she ponders for a bit
Places a vote on LL (see: lynch isn't going thru bc the dude is clearly town)
then finally arrives on voting me
she doesn't want to vote with her partner but with that kind of distance she feels fine abt it

Menalque's entire iso is literally rhetoric and posturing
He replaces in with reads
Does his catchup
And gasp holy shit guess what
Everything points towards the scumteam he settled on back on pg 2!!!! ( :

his only read change is literally Homura who has been obvtown since replacing in but he hedged on anyway because she's.... polite

I don't have the time I wish I had to spam the shit out of the thread. But Titus/Menalque is the scumteam.

I am not getting lynched this phase.
End of discussion.

err, no

I replaced in without looking at the game at all. then I skimmed the first couple of pages and gave reads based on that. you know that's perfectly NAI for me because I give reads off the first couple of pages most games. I'm pretty sure you've been in games with me where I've voted scum correctly off the first couple of pages?

I don't think this is you looking at things from a town mindset, I think this is you trying to lock in a mislynch on me

for instance: I don't think town!you would be trying to say I'm scum for thinking the same two people are scum that I thought from initial impressions, I think you'd be trying to make me see that I was confbiased

I especially think that given that it's me and you know that I tend to get over-emotional when being pushed, you would be trying - if town - to avoid that outcome and to work with me

explain obvtown homura beyond her TRing you and LL?

[Menalque]

look i wouldn't have voted ph0enix d1 but i think it was a pretty town motivated wagon
someone playin the game havin reads and backin themselves on their reads isn't really a scum indicator

someone not checkin themselves on incorrect gamestate analysis and consequently flippin their reads isn't scum indicative. like especially for a newbie who might not have a strong feelin on how to read a gamestate yet

i thought ll's pred was towny ll's d1 was towny and ll's d2 so far has been towny too and liek, the fact he's confident in his reads doesn't shaek that for me

it v much feels 2 me like you set out to have this read on ll dude :/

why won't you engage with what I'm actually saying?

I don't think town!you has ever had this problem, even when we've been conflicting a la AvP

I never said someone playing the game and having reads and backing themselves was scum indicative

what I said was that the story of how LL is presenting those reads does not make sense nor do his actions if those reads are that strong

if LL on D1 was super confident in phoenix scum (he was) then that confidence should have been shaken by being wrong (it wasn't) but given that it wasn't then he should still be arrogantly overconfident in his wrongness (he is) in which case he doesn't need to sort the other slots he just needs them to vote for scum (he was trying to look like he wanted to sort them)

that story does not make sense from a town mindset

[Wooper]

I'm not derptunneling you

no you're not derptunnelling me. if you derptunnel you feel passionate and raw and RIGHTEOUS. your arguments here are sloppy. liek your vote on me is the extnet of "wow cheeky was scummy up to pg. 6 guess wooper is scum" - liek what part of that is a game i can play? what part of that is a game that YOU are actually playin and actually believe in? it's just silly. no you're not derptunnelling. you're pushing a lynch.

the meta I'm using is not misrepresentative

duuuuude you saw cheeky in our newbie
she did like sweet fa because she was scared of outing a scumread on me for most of d1
then thru sheer read trajectory late d1 she looked towny
then town mechwon the game so she didn't rly do anything else
like what you're saying cheeky's meta is? is the straight up opposite of what cheeky's meta is. like it's completely bizarrely wrong and you feel completely unabashed about that?

why is Titus not engaging with anything in good faith?

we readin the same thread?
this also isn't relevant, we're talking about your reads and your catchup dude

[Menalque]

I haven't "set out" to have a read on anyone and you're lowkey trying to set the framing as me being scum through comments like that

as in the way you're trying to make others perceive me

[Menalque]

you did the same thing when I repped in btw

[Menalque]

menalque i'm gonna need you to level w me pretty quick if you're scum dude

[Menalque]

like before I even got here really you were trying to encourage a scum perception of my slot and set me up to look bad

it's the same thing LL has been doing but slightly differently

[Menalque]

like ducky, I know you're scum and that you're going to force this 1v1 (which, incidentally is incredibly +scum for you) but maybe let me finish catching up first?

if i was tryna force a 1v1 i'd probs be doin less sortin and doin more tryin to actually lynch u can u pls focus on game related things a bit more

I am focused on game related things: namely, the fact that you're scum and that you need to see rope today

[Menalque]

also you're obviously going to say it's "just fine" because you're either partners or you're pocketing him lmao

i'm gonna say it's fine bc i don't think it's an ai post!!
like picking something so minor out of his legitimately towny iso and being like "wow this is scummy" is posturing

i could make an argument that it's towny, and i could make an argument that it's scummy, but i don't really feel like either is legitimate, and feel like you're applying some really weirdly 3d chess expert player expectations to the way ll is approaching reads :s

is scummy within the context that it was posted

I don't think his overall ISO is towny, and I don't know what you're seeing there that would make it so

so either the answer is we're seeing things radically differently for some reason (given that I know what my alignment is I know what the most obvious one is) or you don't see it differently to me but you're representing that you do (again, I wonder why)

[Menalque]

like I think I've quite clearly explained why it's scummy within the context of how LL has presented himself and his reads thus far this game

so I haven't "plucked" anything, I've made a comment on something that highlights something that I think is indicative of LL being intellectually dishonest

[Menalque]

@LL I'm curious on where you got your crush obvtown read

I'll tell you why crush is obvtown if you like

[Menalque]

Okay, I quite like homura on pg12 even if I don’t really like her content

Pretty much how I decided to townread homura day 1

As well as her post 390+

Hmmm

so what's the implication of this for your read on me then?

[Wooper]

I replaced in without looking at the game at all. then I skimmed the first couple of pages and gave reads based on that. you know that's perfectly NAI for me because I give reads off the first couple of pages most games. I'm pretty sure you've been in games with me where I've voted scum correctly off the first couple of pages?

you have voted scum off the first couple of pages, sure. you've also voted town off the first couple of pages.
when ur actually playin the game you're also dreadful at tonereading me.
you're either misreppin cheeky because her sod1 wasn't warm fuzzy and likeable
or you're town who's meta impression of cheeky is upside fucking down

like
i prompted engagement off your vote. when u asked i even admitted i wasn't really sure about your slot and just wanted to shake u up.
i looked for a read trajectory from you
i looked for any cognisance that your meta case was just outright wrong
and i got none of it
so i think you're scum?

I don't think this is you looking at things from a town mindset, I think this is you trying to lock in a mislynch on me

dude i'm the leading wagon here and i don't even think titus is scum anymore
allowing there's likely still a scum vote to swing my way? i think i'm a pretty probable mislynch this phase
meanwhile i'm votin u and what? like, cjv is like "hmm i'll vote menalque after ____ maybe"?
you suggesting that i'm trying to mislynch you is blatant posturing when literally all you've done since you've repped in is try to get my slot mislynched

for instance: I don't think town!you would be trying to say I'm scum for thinking the same two people are scum that I thought from initial impressions, I think you'd be trying to make me see that I was confbiased

which goes 2 show u don't know me vry well
i'd look at what you've posted and ask my good self:
"is this an agenda (scum indicative), or is it confbias (town indicative)?"
you have the same two scumreads as liek pg. 6
ur reads aren't developping
ur reads are understated and have nearly no trajectory
but hooooboy do you want votes on good ol' mr. wooper

this isn't confirmation bias dude you are pushing an agenda because you want a lynch.
given it blatantly doesn't look like confirmation bias fmpov why would i waste time coming from an angle of "hey mena qt i think ur confbiased!!" and give you a chance to weasel out of it when i can light a fire under you and see whether you squirm?

[Menalque]

There’s Def scum within (Karnage, Titus and Phe0nix)

Guess titus is prob town then

Come again?

I was being flippant about TSE's rabid overconfidence and the fact that 2 of his 3 "def scum here" are flipped town