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[Homura]

homura, what do you think is town from LL?

All in my ISO.

[Menalque]

Nope. Non's post caught Karnage's breadcrumb of "no claim". I don't know where Mena got mason from. The most interesting point about Non's post if, based on my limited exposure to him, I doubt he would have caught that. I think it's more likely Titus fed it to him.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Non caught it himself, since he appears to be a regular, but that's NAI.

It is AI. If he cannot catch it himself, then he must be scum. We're not at LYLO so we don't need absolutes. Based on his play, do you think it's more likely that he could catch it himself, or less? If you had to put a percentage on it, what would it be? If he can catch it 1-in-5 games, then 80% of the time he's 100% scum, and 20% of the time he's X% scum. If your faith in him is that low, we hedge on him being scum. I agree that we personally don't know the extent of his capability though, which is why I asked other players to chime in, which they haven't.

lmao what

him catching it doesn't make him scum automatically? why is it scummy to catch it at all?

[Menalque]

homura, what do you think is town from LL?

All in my ISO.

can you explain it in the simplest possible terms to me now directly please

[LuckyLuciano]

Alright, I missed "net". So Karnage meant to breadcrumb mason, yet he was vanilla. Titus was keen on lynching Karnage and Non hammered. How are you not giving me more reason to lynch you?

[LuckyLuciano]

Nope. Non's post caught Karnage's breadcrumb of "no claim". I don't know where Mena got mason from. The most interesting point about Non's post if, based on my limited exposure to him, I doubt he would have caught that. I think it's more likely Titus fed it to him.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Non caught it himself, since he appears to be a regular, but that's NAI.

It is AI.

If he cannot catch it himself

, then he must be scum. We're not at LYLO so we don't need absolutes. Based on his play, do you think it's more likely that he could catch it himself, or less? If you had to put a percentage on it, what would it be? If he can catch it 1-in-5 games, then 80% of the time he's 100% scum, and 20% of the time he's X% scum. If your faith in him is that low, we hedge on him being scum. I agree that we personally don't know the extent of his capability though, which is why I asked other players to chime in, which they haven't.

lmao what

him catching it doesn't make him scum automatically? why is it scummy to catch it at all?

Bolded for your convenience.

[Menalque]

I mean I think this game is probably lost because either you're scum and town is widely townreading you or you're town and you're leading things in completely the wrong direction

[LuckyLuciano]

Assuming I'm town, who is the scumteam?

[Menalque]

Alright, I missed "net". So Karnage meant to breadcrumb mason, yet he was vanilla. Titus was keen on lynching Karnage and Non hammered. How are you not giving me more reason to lynch you?

why does this make you want to lynch me?

[Homura]

can you explain it in the simplest possible terms to me now directly please

@Homura, what's your town block looking like atm?

{Crush, Luciano, Wooper}, in that order.

[Menalque]

Assuming I'm town, who is the scumteam?

wooper + Titus is not an awful shout

wooper + homura is possible

[Menalque]

can you explain it in the simplest possible terms to me now directly please

@Homura, what's your town block looking like atm?

{Crush, Luciano, Wooper}, in that order.

okay, but this doesn't explain why you think LL is so town, just that he is

[Menalque]

the problem is that if you're town LL then you pushing me when I think I've been intensely townie ever since I repped in is something that scum like to do because if they don't have to burn a NK on me it's generally very useful for them

so this gives me a much higher margin of error on those pushing me, and generally I need at least one other slot who I can trust to tell me if they think the push is good or bad faith. the problem here is that there are only about two slots I trust other than myself, and neither of them is particularly active or able to bounce ideas off me with them

[Menalque]

like I'm giving you a mild pass because you're a newbie, but by far the most obvious answer to you and scum!wooper trying to lynch me today is that scum!wooper is teamed with scum!you

[LuckyLuciano]

We have 7 players left. 2 are scum. If you are town you are looking at 2 scum and 4 town outside of yourself. You clearly think I'm scum, and you think wooper is scum. That's already 2 of the 6 not!you players. But you would also advocate lynching Titus and Homura. You are calling 4 of the 6 living players scum. Assuming you are town, and we mislynch somebody who is not you today, how the hell are you going to lead the town to victory at LYLO if your play this DP is to literally offer up anyone as a lynch who isn't you?

[Menalque]

Nope. Non's post caught Karnage's breadcrumb of "no claim". I don't know where Mena got mason from. The most interesting point about Non's post if, based on my limited exposure to him,

I doubt he would have caught that. I think it's more likely Titus fed it to him

.

like you keep making conjectures which I don't have any real thought behind them or basis in reality. why is it likely Titus caught that? why would she pass it to him and tell him to flag it up in main thread but not that it's saying mason instead of no claim?

these are things that don't make sense and therefore you're either not thinking about them you're town or you're scum

[Menalque]

We have 7 players left. 2 are scum. If you are town you are looking at 2 scum and 4 town outside of yourself. You clearly think I'm scum, and you think wooper is scum. That's already 2 of the 6 not!you players. But you would also advocate lynching Titus and Homura. You are calling 4 of the 6 living players scum. Assuming you are town, and we mislynch somebody who is not you today, how the hell are you going to lead the town to victory at LYLO if your play this DP is to literally offer up anyone as a lynch who isn't you?

err, no, that's not what I'm doing

I've at no point advocated lynching Titus or homura (other than saying we should Lynch within Titus and wooper)

I am saying that I think the most likely scum is (you, wooper) but that I could also see homura or Titus as scum because I'm not town reading either of them

I have a very strong preference for lynching wooper, but also yes, obviously any of those lynches are preferable to me because I could see them as scum whereas I know I'm town?

[Homura]

I am saying that I think the most likely scum is (you, wooper) but that I could also see homura or

Titus as scum because I'm not town reading either of them

Why the discrepancy?

[Menalque]

I'm still not understanding why you're stuck on this point, Titus. Karnage was the compromise lynch because he was the secondmost scumread. You actually led the wagon on Karnage, but now you're hung up on why everyone else agreed with you. If you wanted Cheeky or Luciano as the compromise deadline lynch over Karnage, why didn't you vote one of them intead?

Because this is making me feel you knew Karnage would flip green and wanted to cast shade on both of your scumreads for not being wagoned.

Am I misunderstanding your intentions here?

I totally disagree that cheeky THIS GAME is being vexing as opposed to appeasing

I think cheeky THIS GAME was intentionally trying to play nice and get people on side. which you yourself would admit is scum behaviour from her, only you're trying to argue that I'm scum reading her for being scummy when it's almost the opposite?

I think cheeky would be hard to push for being scummy which is exactly why I think she is scummy

if I'm not as interested in reading you, it's because I think your slot, which you share the alignment of, has already been insanely scummy. why would I spend a lot of time trying to sort you directly especially when if given half the chance you would pocket me. added to the fact that I don't think you're engaging me in particularly good faith. I'm trying to parse things because I'm still hoping we Lynch you today bc on the off chance it's wrong then lynching you tomorrow would just lose the game, but I would wanna see why your head was at where it was it today if you flipped town

You didn't mean to quote me, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this regardless.

how so

I think my thoughts are already there

[Menalque]

I am saying that I think the most likely scum is (you, wooper) but that I could also see homura or

Titus as scum because I'm not town reading either of them

Why the discrepancy?

again, I'm not sure what you mean

what discrepancy?

[LuckyLuciano]

the problem is that if you're town LL then you pushing me when I think I've been intensely townie ever since I repped in is something that scum like to do because if they don't have to burn a NK on me it's generally very useful for them

like I'm giving you a mild pass because you're a newbie, but by far the most obvious answer to you and scum!wooper trying to lynch me today is that scum!wooper is teamed with scum!you

so this gives me a much higher margin of error on those pushing me, and generally I need at least one other slot who I can trust to tell me if they think the push is good or bad faith. the problem here is that there are only about two slots I trust other than myself, and neither of them is particularly active or able to bounce ideas off me with them

I mean if you want to get into WIFOM, I can just come out and tell you that I was so good at scumplay on my old site that oftentimes town lost at LYLO because they'd rather mislynch me and lose than lose to me as scum again.

You are not ever a nightkill target. You are not ever "intensely townie ever since [you] repped in". There has been a majority to lynch you for several IRL days right now. I'm literally the one that advocated an extension to give my two scumreads time to post, because I'd rather take it slow and be certain. Mafia always wants to lynch you because you are so clearly scummy. Any mafia that night kills you is objectively bad. If you flip green, then pretty much every town in this game is collectively wrong and we can look back on the lynch to solve the game at LYLO. Your analysis on scum!Lucky wanting to lynch you to save a nightkill is so objectively bad that I can only see your play here as trying to mislead new players in a way that takes advantage of it being a newbie game and is harmful to the growth of mafia.

[Homura]

I think my thoughts are already there

Was asking for your thoughts on my post. Your response indicated that you did not mean to quote it and was responding to Wooper.

[Homura]

what discrepancy?

You were townreading Titus.

[LuckyLuciano]

We have 7 players left. 2 are scum. If you are town you are looking at 2 scum and 4 town outside of yourself. You clearly think I'm scum, and you think wooper is scum. That's already 2 of the 6 not!you players. But you would also advocate lynching Titus and Homura. You are calling 4 of the 6 living players scum. Assuming you are town, and we mislynch somebody who is not you today, how the hell are you going to lead the town to victory at LYLO if your play this DP is to literally offer up anyone as a lynch who isn't you?

err, no, that's not what I'm doing

I've at no point advocated lynching Titus or homura (other than saying we should Lynch within Titus and wooper)

I am saying that I think the most likely scum is (you, wooper) but that I could also see homura or Titus as scum because I'm not town reading either of them

I have a very strong preference for lynching wooper, but also yes, obviously any of those lynches are preferable to me because I could see them as scum whereas I know I'm town?

It feels like you aren't trying to scumhunt and you are just trying to survive. That's always either bad!town or !scum.

[LuckyLuciano]

what discrepancy?

You were townreading Titus.

But that's different. The minute hand was on an odd number when he said townread her. It's on an even number now. Give him a minute.

[LuckyLuciano]

VOTE: Menalque. I can't convince myself that it's not Menalque + Titus. If I'm wrong on Menalque, I'm down to reconsider at LYLO. There's literally nobody else that is going to get enough traction to be lynched this DP, so let's just move on.