Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 2.06

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Lynching

BP

(3): Atarashi Hajimari, 72offsuit, Iconeum

72offsuit

(2): Elmo TeH AzN, Menalque

Not Voting

(2): BP, WizenedWalrus

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-22 16:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.
  
• WizenedWalrus standing V/LA weekends.
  
• Elmo TeH AzN V/LA until Friday.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Nothing to say on my posts Atar? Not even the ISO I did on why 72 is the scummiest of us all?

If you flip green then I'll certainly look at it.

[BP]

I don't mind biting the bullet. But I'd like to have him say something about my post before being hammered.

(pun intended. drinking a glass of wine).

Also, if Ico could explain why he pounded me for my comment, including voting me, that'd be much appreciated.

4 days to lynch. We have some time.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

But I'd like to have him say something about my post before being hammered.

You haven't even claimed yet, much less has anyone even declared intent to hammer. Are you nervous that someone will?

[72offsuit]

BP meta:

Newbie 1621: Kitchen Chaos
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62311

BP was pretty jokey throughout: Just the first handful of posts included:

''Unvote whoever. ''

''I'll get started on reading. I mean reading you guys. Brace thyselves.''

''Ugh, Angry Frog's gameplay. In my slot's name I do apologize Anyways, quickreading this is what really stuck to me.''

''Jesus Christ, page 6 gave me a fright. You were seriously going to lynch Vedith? Nheh, I read him as town. I know getting info from the lynch is often a good idea, but I seriously read him as town. The fearlessness mainly gives me that vibe.''

This last post ín that game pretty much fels like it echoes his "'Page 13 and WTF" post in this game

Town game:
Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62603

Mostly serious and straight forward as town

1. BP here resembles BP scum meta.
2. Don;t get any townie vibes from BP's entrance.
3. My newb-scum night kill choice theory works for doobie.

VOTE: Doobie

So you're voting me based on my two games 5 years ago? Stop trying to make the wagon on you not happen so desperately.

I was jokey at first here as well. I voted for coronavirus, yes. I then immediately started to provide my insight, however superficial, and got involved in a discussion with a player. That's what happened with the dandy mafia as well. It's something common to the three games.

Tell me something. Who should we lynch if you get lynched and flip town?

I can only use the information in front of me. It would be great if you had a more recent game, but you don't. I don't really know if people's meta change over a long time of absence. All i see is you behaving similarly here as in the chef game where you were scum.

No... I'm scumhunting to present a case to town as a whole as to who i think is likely to be scum.
Correct, i don't want to be lynched in any game regardless of alignment, and yes moreso when im scum.
But desperate? Hardly.

If I end up being lynched today, you should be lynched tomorrow.

[BP]

Genuinely am a VT (just like scum would say) so prepare to be perplexed. My bad.

@Atar

[BP]

BP meta:

Newbie 1621: Kitchen Chaos
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62311

BP was pretty jokey throughout: Just the first handful of posts included:

''Unvote whoever. ''

''I'll get started on reading. I mean reading you guys. Brace thyselves.''

''Ugh, Angry Frog's gameplay. In my slot's name I do apologize Anyways, quickreading this is what really stuck to me.''

''Jesus Christ, page 6 gave me a fright. You were seriously going to lynch Vedith? Nheh, I read him as town. I know getting info from the lynch is often a good idea, but I seriously read him as town. The fearlessness mainly gives me that vibe.''

This last post ín that game pretty much fels like it echoes his "'Page 13 and WTF" post in this game

Town game:
Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62603

Mostly serious and straight forward as town

1. BP here resembles BP scum meta.
2. Don;t get any townie vibes from BP's entrance.
3. My newb-scum night kill choice theory works for doobie.

VOTE: Doobie

So you're voting me based on my two games 5 years ago? Stop trying to make the wagon on you not happen so desperately.

I was jokey at first here as well. I voted for coronavirus, yes. I then immediately started to provide my insight, however superficial, and got involved in a discussion with a player. That's what happened with the dandy mafia as well. It's something common to the three games.

Tell me something. Who should we lynch if you get lynched and flip town?

I can only use the information in front of me. It would be great if you had a more recent game, but you don't. I don't really know if people's meta change over a long time of absence. All i see is you behaving similarly here as in the chef game where you were scum.

No... I'm scumhunting to present a case to town as a whole as to who i think is likely to be scum.
Correct, i don't want to be lynched in any game regardless of alignment, and yes moreso when im scum.
But desperate? Hardly.

If I end up being lynched today, you should be lynched tomorrow.

So now not only are you ignoring my ISO on you, not explaining the actions I called out, but now you're literally copying my stance of "lynch me today fine, but lynch him tomorrow".

You're getting redder and redder.

Could you please reply to post 913?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Genuinely am a VT (just like scum would say) so prepare to be perplexed. My bad.

@Atar

Ah, I missed this part. Thanks.

[72offsuit]

BP meta:

Newbie 1621: Kitchen Chaos
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62311

BP was pretty jokey throughout: Just the first handful of posts included:

''Unvote whoever. ''

''I'll get started on reading. I mean reading you guys. Brace thyselves.''

''Ugh, Angry Frog's gameplay. In my slot's name I do apologize Anyways, quickreading this is what really stuck to me.''

''Jesus Christ, page 6 gave me a fright. You were seriously going to lynch Vedith? Nheh, I read him as town. I know getting info from the lynch is often a good idea, but I seriously read him as town. The fearlessness mainly gives me that vibe.''

This last post ín that game pretty much fels like it echoes his "'Page 13 and WTF" post in this game

Town game:
Mini 1696: SPACE DANDY MAFIA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62603

Mostly serious and straight forward as town

1. BP here resembles BP scum meta.
2. Don;t get any townie vibes from BP's entrance.
3. My newb-scum night kill choice theory works for doobie.

VOTE: Doobie

So you're voting me based on my two games 5 years ago? Stop trying to make the wagon on you not happen so desperately.

I was jokey at first here as well. I voted for coronavirus, yes. I then immediately started to provide my insight, however superficial, and got involved in a discussion with a player. That's what happened with the dandy mafia as well. It's something common to the three games.

Tell me something. Who should we lynch if you get lynched and flip town?

I can only use the information in front of me. It would be great if you had a more recent game, but you don't. I don't really know if people's meta change over a long time of absence. All i see is you behaving similarly here as in the chef game where you were scum.

No... I'm scumhunting to present a case to town as a whole as to who i think is likely to be scum.
Correct, i don't want to be lynched in any game regardless of alignment, and yes moreso when im scum.
But desperate? Hardly.

If I end up being lynched today, you should be lynched tomorrow.

So now not only are you ignoring my ISO on you, not explaining the actions I called out, but now you're literally copying my stance of "lynch me today fine, but lynch him tomorrow".

You're getting redder and redder.

Could you please reply to post 913?

I thought I was replying to what you were asking for by replying to in post 911.

No, I'm replaying to your question who should be lynched tomorrow if Im lynched today, not "copying you"

Next time explicitly state which post you want me to answer and the odds I actually respond to the right post will increase.

[72offsuit]

Posts 587 and 589 are really weird reactions to the wagon on eqsy. First you say you find the lack of a counterwagon weird. Then you say if they flip scum there's nothing to be done because the game is wacky (again, I don't know why Ico didn't jump on this as well, like he did with my 'headache' comment - there's many of these).

Then you kinda go back and forth with the eqsy slot that seems approaching at a distance, like you're afraid of being connected. Post 677. Irks me, even if he tries to backpedal on 716. But again, it's a very weak one because on 715 he tries to establish a Menal + Elmo/Doobie scumteam.

738 is the lynch.

After this he votes my slot appearing out of nothing. Before, he put 2 people above me on his scumreads, saying I had a 50.5% chance to be scum (717)

After a while he starts to hardpress Elmo, even calling him the worst scumtell - 824. The guy who hammered scum, for having hammered... Anyways...

Then he says he had a scumread on Elmo the day before (which is true), but presses him while keeping the vote on me the whole time. That could be scum!72 trying not to deflect too much out of a bus on someone else. Says he's been scummy on both days but keeps voting me because I'm the smart lynch (when agreeing with Atari on 839.

Unvotes when doobie gets subbed. Checks out my meta, votes me.

You lean scum, along with walrus. I'd say it's one of you. Plus, you both tick my "was on the prev scum wagon" box.

Updated readlist:

town: Elmo
townish: Menal, Ico
Null: atari
Scummish: walrus, 72.

You've linked to a post where I update the vote count and also to the mod's post when the lynch occured - no comment

You say I was wavering in the esqy lynch. Ye, I was unsure, but in the end I felt enough of my town reads were on the wagon.

Ico summed it up in 591. My vote added made it into a wagon, for good or for bad.

How can I bus Elmo, when there is only 1 scum left? This doesnt even make sense.

[72offsuit]

That was a thorough waste of time.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

How can I bus Elmo, when there is only 1 scum left? This doesnt even make sense.

Would it really be a bus though and more likely just a push of another lynch and leading the town along for the ride to become "too towny for town"?

[Menalque]

more votes on 72 pls

[Menalque]

icon do you not think that doobie's last post before reping out was townlockable?

[WizenedWalrus]

You lean scum, along with walrus. I'd say it's one of you. Plus, you both tick my "was on the prev scum wagon" box.

Updated readlist:

town: Elmo
townish: Menal, Ico
Null: atari
Scummish: walrus, 72.

With only one bad guy left in the game, and a mason claim in play, the only way icon could be bad would be if we have two power townies who have let the claim stand instead of just coming out and saying "Icon is lying, let's lynch him and end the game". Given that, I don't see how you could possibly rank elmo ahead of icon.

Also, is there a reason you're not voting for anyone?

A bit more seriously is that Doobie straight up admitted this was her first game ever, and that's pretty cool. Dunno 'bout the rest of ya, but I'm not gonna vote for her during D1 unless she does something super scummy at any point. Just so she can actually play the game a bit, y'know?

This actual feels like scum-buddying.

Yes, it does. Main reason I'm looking more at you & elmo today.

At the moment, I'm leaning toward voting 72, as I see in the voting record he left a RVS vote on lotus, but quickly changed once she got a couple of votes. He also switched to vote for eqzylootz shortly after I had, despite previously stating that he found me suspicious.

[72offsuit]

You lean scum, along with walrus. I'd say it's one of you. Plus, you both tick my "was on the prev scum wagon" box.

Updated readlist:

town: Elmo
townish: Menal, Ico
Null: atari
Scummish: walrus, 72.

With only one bad guy left in the game, and a mason claim in play, the only way icon could be bad would be if we have two power townies who have let the claim stand instead of just coming out and saying "Icon is lying, let's lynch him and end the game". Given that, I don't see how you could possibly rank elmo ahead of icon.

Also, is there a reason you're not voting for anyone?

A bit more seriously is that Doobie straight up admitted this was her first game ever, and that's pretty cool. Dunno 'bout the rest of ya, but I'm not gonna vote for her during D1 unless she does something super scummy at any point. Just so she can actually play the game a bit, y'know?

This actual feels like scum-buddying.

Yes, it does. Main reason I'm looking more at you & elmo today.

At the moment, I'm leaning toward voting 72, as I see in the voting record he left a RVS vote on lotus, but quickly changed once she got a couple of votes. He also switched to vote for eqzylootz shortly after I had, despite previously stating that he found me suspicious.

I had a

slight scumlean

on you based off

gut

only after your first handful of posts.

You're voting analysis doesn't ring true as to why I am scum. You are saying I chose to bus, had a change of mind not to bus, and then again chose to bus?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

more votes on 72 pls

Why? Theres more than enough reasons to think that BP is probably scum. The play should be pretty simple - BP lynch today. If flip red, then we post-game boogie. If flip green, then lynch 72.

[Datisi]

Prodding Iconeum. This is his first prod.

[Iconeum]

icon do you not think that doobie's last post before reping out was townlockable?

yes but everything before that... wasn't

[Iconeum]

Prodding Iconeum. This is his first prod.

icon do you not think that doobie's last post before reping out was townlockable?

yes but everything before that... wasn't

[Iconeum]

Icon's elimination progress:

menal town because of his shenanigan play and me not being dead

atarashi town after D1 discussion - revisit if both doobie slot and 72 flip town

walrus - obviously town if you read iso

72 - meh, lynch if doobieslot town

doobieslot - scumread

did i get everyone?

oh clidd

hmm

[Menalque]

you forgot Elmo too

[Menalque]

icon do you not think that doobie's last post before reping out was townlockable?

yes but everything before that... wasn't

yeah, but the point is that doesn't matter if that one post was

like, someone can be scummy all day but if they have one moment which is just genuinely, blazingly town or that makes it really obvious they're uninformed then that should be weighted more heavily than all the scummy shit they did before then imo

[Elmo TeH AzN]

you forgot Elmo too

Story of my life.

[Iconeum]

elmo townie

boi

gurl

she wouldn't be bussing that hard on day 1 would she?