it's far from the end of the day, so there's still plenty of time to make a vote.
it's better to not vote early than to vote randomly (except for the joke votes at the beginning of the game)
The scenario of Skitter and Menalque in the same team seems utopian,
but why not ?
I'm having trouble identifying the towny tone that I normally see on Datisi, so I'll check it later.
I believe that Scum!skitter would have used his influence with GW to forge an SR on me at the time when I misinterpreted her text on post 69. And having announced that she will be passive in post 62 is not something I would see as a scum-move, as well as divulge that comment about the game in common with Menalque. Therefore, it is fruitless for me to continue with this vote.
UNVOTE: Skitter30
I intend to develop my notes before releasing more reads.
In post 281, clidd wrote:I'm having trouble identifying the towny tone that I normally see on Datisi, so I'll check it later.
Didn't datisi say he's sick
this could explain why.
A person's tone and playstyle could change based on a variety of factors, and this could be one of them.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
In post 251, Marashu wrote:
@Mad who is your top town read and top scum read?
I think I said before that I don't have hard reads, but I'll say it again. For now I'm seeing a TL on GW, but I haven't seen any scummy move from anyone as of yet. People seem to distrust Datisi entirely based on his tone compared to past games, but I'd rather just work with meta information of games I've played in. I know that can sound like I disregard other people's meta reads, but I think I should use only my own experience to form opinions on meta, if I want them to be unbiased. I'd like to see Datisi do anything scummy if I'm going to call them scum, is what I want to say.
In short, my list is:
Town lean
: GeneralWu
Null: Everyone else.
Hard scumread
: Karnage
(I'm sorry, I can't resist joking from time to time. Everything is serious except Karnage, though).
In post 253, clidd wrote:I'm still organizing my reads in the notebook, but I got some observations on Maduisha that I would like to share here:
I see GW ask people if they think the mason claim is legit, but I want to ask you directly. Is this a meme claim, or are you serious?
''
The first paragraph suggests an assimilation of knowledge with her past game, since I have in memory the image of a player named
Jackson
(who was there) citing the term "meme claim", where Maduisha probably observed and absolved the meaning of it.
''
I'm glad you tried to get the game moving, because I have a hard time dealing with the RVS and the state of the game during day 1. But I said at the end of that game and the beginning of this one that I wouldn't repeat that, so I'm not sure why are you giving that as a reason. I guess I dug up my own grave with that move in
1987
and people won't trust me on not being needlessly reckless that easily, oh well.
''
- The second paragraph suggests a significant development with the past gaming experience, being true to the sequence of events that occurred in game
1987
(which I also participated).
Conclusion:
both paragraphs show significant maturity, considering the genuine reflection on the events of her past game. I don't see a scum!Newbie easily forging such a process.
[Town Indicative]
Post
126
, Maduisha.
Spoiler:
In post 126, Maduisha wrote:From that 1987 game, I have played with GW and Clidd. I don't really know how to read Clidd yet. But GW was mafia in the game I played with him, and he posted lengthier posts, mostly replying to other people, with an interesting amount of fluff in them from time to time. For now I'm not seeing that behavior he had as scum back then, so I have a town lean on him.
- Reasonable, she continued the process of reflection but with an emphasis on information from the meta
scum!GW
. It is important to note that both were in lylo before and it was Maduisha who hammered GW, which perhaps gives a greater credibility to her read than we think.
Conclusion:
Her constant mentions of past game experiences imply an expressive link to the events of
Newbie 1987
, especially since it was her first game on the forum. This does not elucidate, however, if she came back to that game page to check some information. It is likely that she is consulting these memories only in the mental realm, without physically verifying the data.
Hopefully UnhealthyKids and Melanque come to play with us. Games with replacements don't sound as fun.
In post 134, Maduisha wrote:I guess that is true. I thought it'd communicate "hey, we want you to engage." But if they don't even get to see it, then what's the point...
UNVOTE: Unhealthykids
I should wait for more interaction to happen, because there's nothing that strikes me as scummy right now, and that vote was kind of useless. Hopefully the remaining players show up soon!
- The short progression between these two posts was due to a change of opinion, after interaction with another point of view. The transition from
"they will come to interact if I vote for them"
to
"my vote will not have an effect if they don't read the topic"
seemed true. But, the discriminated motivation:
''
Hopefully UnhealthyKids and Melanque come to play with us. Games with replacements don't sound as fun.
''
- It didn't seem like something naturally created by Madusha, as this is only her second game and, considering that there were no substitutions in that past game, she has no experience with this scenario to have such impression about the event. However, depending on the interpretation, it is possible to state that there was an imaginary assumption about this scenario, keeping in mind that it would not be fun to experience it, so there would be an interest in avoiding it.
- Within the logical line in which Maduisha's vote was externally influenced, I assume that that originates in her past game, with this player:
In post 97, ObviousScum wrote:We can make clidd be at l1 so he has a spicy gamestate upon checking in :3
In post 118, Maduisha wrote:Yeah, voting for people that haven't even showed up feels wrong. I don't really know who to vote for yet, but those asking for people to cast votes aren't giving me good vibes, and two of them have votes on the same person.
- There is a continuation of this conversation, but such fragment is essential to understand the first experience she had with votes on inactive slots. She initially showed opposition to the idea, but as the game continued, there was an unconscious maturation on the subject, where she could understand the purpose of the player's action at that moment and, later, convert this experience into a practice, as she tried to apply here, drawing the attention of Unhealthykids and Menalque, because for her, it was an interesting choice. Even though it was not a logically correct thought, her process was genuine, especially with the correction that occurred in our game.
Conclusion:
Genuine experience, assimilation with past games more intense and improvement of observed practices.
[Town Indicative]
Post 168
, Maduisha.
Spoiler:
In post 168, Maduisha wrote:
I think I already said what I think of GW already. He seems slightly different from the scum!GW that I experienced, which is the only iteration of his that I've seen. I think he's being proactive in the way he speaks, and I like that he's asking questions, so I have a townlean on him.
Clidd I have no idea how to read. He seems the Clidd I saw in last game too, although his entrance is vastly different. But back then he was being prodded and decided to make a big meta reading post as his entrance, this time he was here on time, so I imagine that's the reason of the change. Or maybe he just doesn't feel like pouring as much effort, I don't know. I think he said he spent hours making that post. But enough talking about games that aren't this one. So far, I think Clidd's most memorable actions as of yet are that he confused your comment for a threat, which I don't think it's an alignment indicative comment. I think he just misunderstood the tone. His second most interesting post might be this one:
Here he is analyzing GW's messages to get an idea of the authenticity of thought of his response. I think Clidd is trying to slowly build a town group of people he trusts after he tests us in different ways. I would say I have a town lean on him, but I also imagine this is a valid strategy for mafia to try and build the town group themselves, so I'm unsure.
- Exceptional interpretation of information, with transparency when reporting her thoughts on the players mentioned. I can't see bias here.
[Suggestive]
Town indicative
, congratulations Maduisha.
Thank you, I guess. I hope you are not trying to pocket me with this town indicative analysis. You were one of the only ones trusting me on that last game, too, so I'm not sure if I'm being too paranoid. I want to put you on my town leans too, but I'm a bit scared of scum!you playing with my mind. I'll have to wait and see how you move later on.
In post 277, GeneralWu wrote:were you voting randomly though
or was it a legitimate vote
i did not choose marashu at random
GW already said this and I don't want to parrot him, but please give us your insight so we can:
(1) Build our opinion on you based on the reason why you suspect and want to vote someone. Explaining your train of thought when you're thinking someone is scummy helps people see if it's a conclusion they'd reach too, and so they can update their opinion about you.
(2) Understand your point and see ourselves why Marashu is scum in your opinion. There are more than one vote on him, and he had others vote him in the past, so we know you are not baselessly voting him. You actually find him scummy. Now, please attach reasons to the vote so we can understand you, if you do this exact thing when there are more votes on someone, you might start looking like you're trying to hide the fact that you don't have an argument against the person and you're just trying to jump the wagon. This is not an accusation, please don't misunderstand it as such. I'm just saying it as a tip, because people are less likely to sympathize with you if you vote and provide no reasons.
General consensus is that Marashu is scummy because he took your meme claim as serious right away. Is your reason the same one, and that's why you didn't mention it? Or is it a different one?
In post 251, Marashu wrote:@Dat Of course I wasn't going to bring up the RVS since from my point of view serious discussion had already started. There was no point. I'm glad that conversation got moving because of my mistake, but I'm not about to start digging up joke votes when I'm actually trying to keep conversation going.
PS - My timezone is EDT (I'm in Canada). I'm working from home and am being responsible and not posting during work hours, so you can expect me to review the thread and give my thoughts in the evening my time. Maybe also early in the morning if I don't sleep in.
Marashu, what's your experience with Mafia? At the time of your second post, it was still page 1, not like it would've been digging. Any reason why you specifically ask Madu for their top town/scum picks?
Also, I made that comment because I could've sworn I saw you online but you weren't posting. Though I might be mixing names up.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
insert another "trq please explain your vote" here, but also tad confused why you're voting alongside me?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 286, Maduisha wrote:I'd like to see Datisi do anything scummy if I'm going to call them scum
what do you think of dats' lack of reads or pushing ?
Well, he might not be pushing Marashu hard, but he has a vote on him, so I'd say he has a scum lean on Marashu even if he didn't state it outright. I don't want to put words on his mouth, though. Maybe he's seeing everyone as null for now and he'll get more reads as we keep interacting.
