Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.5

Datisi (2) ~

skitter30, Menalque,

Marashu (2) ~

Datisi, team rocket queen,

Not voting (5) ~

Marashu, UnhealthyKids, GeneralWu, Maduisha, clidd,

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-27 19:08:54)

V/LA:

• skitter30 - Fridays and Saturdays

[Marashu]

@Dat I've been in about 10 games, most of them themed, and the most recent was about 4 years ago.

[Marashu]

(work time - I can give more details later)

[skitter30]

y'know one of these days clidd is gonna roll scum and absolutely fucking steamroll me

what if the day is today?

so like posts like these make me kinda suspicious of you, datisi
because as far as i can tell you're just sowing doubt in mena's current read of clidd by indicating that maybe he should be worried about scum!clidd right now
i'm p sure you're going to tell me this was a joke but like it's insidious and sketchy

[Datisi]

it is not a joke

i'm currently toying w the idea of all scum being in clidd/gw/madu

i was hoping mena would actually try to talk to me there

[skitter30]

ok so since those are the people i'm townreading the most rn i find that slightly worrying

why do u think there's scum in that group?

[Datisi]

ok so
1) melaque is town.
2) menalque said he thinks you're town so you're town too

fmpov the last votecount then looks very ~weird~ because wtf are the scum doing

and if this game was ~easy~ then all scum would be in trq/marashu/empty-slot

but this kinda weird gamestate of mostly everyone tring or nullreading (i'm ignoring the sring you and mena have on me bc it makes sense) makes me think that scum is in the more tred half

and both gw and madu are doing sorta "didn't datisi say he's sick?" "i won't use meta, i'll wait until datisi does sth sus" thing
which kinda strikes me as tmi-y, positioning for my green flip

clidd is still a mystery but he also fits the bill of ~more tred players~

[Datisi]

1) menalque* is town.

inb4 "spell my name right"

[skitter30]

ok so
1) melaque is town.
2) menalque said he thinks you're town so you're town too

fmpov the last votecount then looks very ~weird~ because wtf are the scum doing

and if this game was ~easy~ then all scum would be in trq/marashu/empty-slot

but this kinda weird gamestate of mostly everyone tring or nullreading (i'm ignoring the sring you and mena have on me bc it makes sense) makes me think that scum is in the more tred half

and both gw and madu are doing sorta "didn't datisi say he's sick?" "i won't use meta, i'll wait until datisi does sth sus" thing
which kinda strikes me as tmi-y, positioning for my green flip

clidd is still a mystery but he also fits the bill of ~more tred players~

i mean like, idk
you're proposing a gamestate that's like upside down to the one i'm see from my pov rn
like i guess from your pov it kinda makes sense ?
but to get there from my pov i have to be like exactly wrong on everything that i'm thinking and like ... i'm not usually this off?
and like it's almost like you're scumreading the townread people because they're townread and that just feels kinda dangerous

why do u townread mena?

[Datisi]

i know, i saw your reads

i'm not sure what you mean by "that just feels kinda dangerous"? dangerous for whom?

and i don't know if i can explain it well
call it gut + experience, i'm p sure he's town

[skitter30]

i guess i'm just saying that if you're town it's going to be p hard to work with you because you're proposing scumreads on the people i townread

and like if i'm right on townreading those 3 and you're scum by saying that there's scum in that group i feel like you're trying to undermine my townreads

[skitter30]

and i think that you're townreading me (and by extension maybe mena) too easily?

or like i feel like townreading mena/me is the ~easy~ read for you to take if you're scum and there's not much doubt on either of us and i find that weird

[Datisi]

i wasn't counting on you working with me. i'm not counting on surviving till the end of the day. i have a fear that this game is headed into lynches of Datisi -> trq/marashu/other-slot and that that is a very losing PoE

pedit: skit idk what to tell you
mena is town and i'm sheeping his read on you
idk how that would be ~easy~, or how any of these reads are ~easy~ bc trust me i'm aware i'm just digging my own grave deeper

[Menalque]

I thought you thought that mara had good odds of being scum?

[Menalque]

call it gut + experience, i'm p sure he's town

I really think you should be way more paranoid of me rn but equally I think scum!you knows that I would expect more paranoia from you so hmm

[Menalque]

can you try to explain why you're TRing me rn dats? bc I really don't feel like I've done anything that's meaningfully townie yet and everything I've done thus far is well within my scum range

[Menalque]

what's your take on trq dats?

[Datisi]

I thought you thought that mara had good odds of being scum?

independetly of everything else? yes

but i'm realistic enough to know that just because i think someone is scum doesn't mean they are
plus i'm getting the same gut feeling that just chain lynching the "scummy" slots won't do us any good here
it feels ~wrong~

[Datisi]

can you try to explain why you're TRing me rn dats? bc I really don't feel like I've done anything that's meaningfully townie yet and everything I've done thus far is well within my scum range

it is purely gut/experience, you just feel pure and -not awkward-, like in Autumnal
and the way you're approaching my slot feels genuine
+ if i'm right then i've figured out a factual scum/towntell from you, ask me later

[Datisi]

what's your take on trq dats?

my first take was "towny because their intro/prevous experience seems to be too odd to come from scum"
now it's sorta "pending their reply on their votes" but still probably north of null?

[team rocket queen]

General consensus is that Marashu is scummy because he took your meme claim as serious right away. Is your reason the same one, and that's why you didn't mention it? Or is it a different one?

it wasn't simply that they took it seriously, but also the way they asked questions about it. i was the first person in thread to give those reads of marashu:

treating me as confirmed feels like an early attempt to get pressure on me if/when i become unconfirmed.

i think marashu was kinda scummy for the way they were viewing my opening because if it was simply a new player thing why would they have an opinion on d1 claims.

so it is odd to me that two of you then asked me for reasoning, as if i had never given any. at the time i voted for marashu, i was also 90% sure datisi was scum. datisi's second post this game was:

First post not a vote or a gif

Scumfirmed

VOTE: Marashu

i extended the logic that scum are more likely to call themselves scum to apply to partners as well, since the first post this game that was not a vote or a gif was not made by marashu, but was in fact the very first post of the game, also made by datisi:

Boop

from reading his completed games, it becomes apparent that datisi would potentially flex like this.

after the two experienced players that are not datisi said datisi was scummy, i went back to his posts with my finest toothed comb, and found this (seemingly addressed to no one in particular):

yeah i'm not seeing it chief

will get back to this once the sun is up

goodnight friends

which sent my mind racing. not seeing it... hmm... once the sun is up could mean real world tomorrow but could also mean in game tomorrow...

and it followed a very particular pattern, one which i had used earlier in the game:

hello friends!

or should i say,

Hi guys im mason

a pattern not completely uncommon to datisi (see the marashu vote above), but also 12 hours after that post:

hello friend

are you scum

please be honest

hm. friend again. let's see how common it is for him to refer to someone this way. (you have to enter 'friend' into the text box, i don't know how to link the completed search)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php? ... r_id=32624

18 matches in 7269 posts, many of which of which are having to do with masons and others are about a breadcrumbing claims... let's look into that further.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=82195

so he has a pattern of doing this. and it would make sense for him to have done so in this game because a newbie referring to a specific role early is probably that role. however,

i'm not a mason so datisi is probably scum here.

i've downgraded the severity of my scumread slightly since i have not yet been able to find a more complex solve to the potential breadcrumbing, if there is one.

tldr; i'm not a mason so datisi is probably scum here.

[team rocket queen]

VOTE: datisi

[Datisi]

I'm scum because i said the word "friend"? And you did as well?? And that makes you conclude i was fake crumbing mason with you??? Am I reading this right?????

[skitter30]

i don't follow the logic of like any of that, sorry

[Datisi]

And because in newbie 1976 i called my mason buddy friend?? And in 1945 i used the song called friends to crumb doc??? So I'm scum? What?