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[Menalque]

I can't go into detail right now, but with the solutions that are presented and are realistic in my eyes are LL + Wooper or Menal + Titus. I'm not looking at Titus + Wooper, that just doesn't make any sense and I don't understand why you would ever opt that. I've been trying to get people to talk about 'obvious town' TSE but no one is actually responding to that, so be it, guess CJ is out of the picture today. Homura has been very 0 for me during D1 but yesterday this slots questioning felt pretty towny. Anyway I don't think Wooper is ever the lynch here, CJ is left alone. Honestly rn I'm just thinking about LL + Wooper and Menal + Titus, and since this 1v1 has developed it has become almost inevitable that we lynch either one of them. If we don't do it, the same thing will continue D3 if we don't hit red and that wouldn't get us any further. The reason I'm voting Menal over LL is because I think didn't like both of your predecessors, I don't think your solutions are likely and I've generally liked LL since D1.

I might go into more detail later as to why I like LL over Menal, but unless LL is willing to reconsider Menal D3 I just think this is the best option.

I think you should be very careful to not split this dichotomy like this

it looks like I'll flip today, and I'll be green, which means that according to your logic that LL + wooper is the obvious team and Titus is cleared

it's possible that is the scumteam and that the plan they have is win in 5p lylo against Titus, but you gotta bear in mind that scum know what my flip will be once the get it. which means it's actually quite risky for scum!LL and scum!wooper to push that because after I flip one of them should flip tomorrow which then sets up the final one to be lynched in 3p. so that's losing for scum

1v1s are rarely inevitable, and if you think it's been forced, I think you should look at who's been trying to force it and why. I think it's pretty clearly LL, and I've been trying to move out of it and to engage other people. I do understand the idea that it's good to resolve it today, because the risk is that if we're both town then LL votes me tomorrow and we lose if we don't get scum instead today, if he's town

can you please go into why you see LL as town, because I find it very hard to judge the alignment of anyone shitpushing me and this is a standing issue that I have

[LuckyLuciano]

Did Nom's alignment switch when Menal replaced in? What about Menal's conduct in particular outweighs your prior scum read on Nom's conduct?

[Menalque]

The safer play is for any surviving tprs to claim here but I don't think that's the better play - wld prefer to enter f5 first regardless of how today finishes

Tbh I don't think? if the surviving tpr exists, they should claim yet

pedit: I wasn't softing tpr Titus.

wooper, you were definitely softing TPR

[Menalque]

I am not getting lynched this phase.
End of discussion.

this was very obviously a soft

[Menalque]

ugh VOTE: wooper

[Menalque]

I'm kind of lowkey thinking that LL may be just very bad town here now

[Menalque]

I'm gonna feel really fucking dumb postgame if I've talked myself out of a scumread into "this is aggressively bad town" but that's kinda what I'm thinking at this point

[Menalque]

like the attempts to coalesce around the team being either "mena + Titus" or "wooper + LL" is wrong I think

[Titus]

I'm kind of lowkey thinking that LL may be just very bad town here now

It's why I changed my vote. The thing is I'm not sure. Regardless of alignment, he reminds me of Titus.

[Titus]

like the attempts to coalesce around the team being either "mena + Titus" or "wooper + LL" is wrong I think

Not sure why Homura got cleared, regardless of anyone else's alignment.

[Titus]

I am not getting lynched this phase.
End of discussion.

this was very obviously a soft

+1

[Menalque]

because scum know I'm flipping which means that "Titus + mena" is gonna be disproved

so if the attempt is to set up a narrative of Team A not being possible means it must be Team B means that unless the team is exactly "wooper + LL" then that's losing

and if that's losing for scum then they'd be distancing from it or not going for it

so I think probably a max of 1 scum in (wooper, LL)

[Menalque]

Titus, I'm still feeling sort of paranoid about you but what do you think of crush's play here the last couple of pages?

[Titus]

Titus, I'm still feeling sort of paranoid about you but what do you think of crush's play here the last couple of pages?

Crush posted?

[Menalque]

like the attempts to coalesce around the team being either "mena + Titus" or "wooper + LL" is wrong I think

Not sure why Homura got cleared, regardless of anyone else's alignment.

do you not think homura is townie? I think homura became for more townie a couple of pages ago when she was talking to me/LL

[Menalque]

yeah, check his iso

[Menalque]

Spoiler:

@Menalque, convince me LL is red.

@Everyone, still waiting to hear why TSE is green.

@Homura, would you lynch everyone outside of your town pool?

Sunday might be fine if that works for everyone?

@Menal, problem is I don't see Wooper + Titus and chance on homura + wooper I think is also on the lower side. Big problem for me this game is that I have no meta to go off on, so I'm kind of evaluating all of you on face value and votes, especially the last part is just looking too good for Wooper, unless LL is really red.

Now Homura finally started to give off some towny vibes to me, so I do like that.

LL is making points that feel very valid to me, the only red thing about LL is that he feels too sure about his reads and I don't think I can lynch him, just on that.

@homura @cjv @wooper , how likely do you think titus + LL is?

VOTE: Menalque

This is L-1

I think if Menalque v LL is TvT we won't win this game btw, but we'll see.

I can't go into detail right now, but with the solutions that are presented and are realistic in my eyes are LL + Wooper or Menal + Titus. I'm not looking at Titus + Wooper, that just doesn't make any sense and I don't understand why you would ever opt that. I've been trying to get people to talk about 'obvious town' TSE but no one is actually responding to that, so be it, guess CJ is out of the picture today. Homura has been very 0 for me during D1 but yesterday this slots questioning felt pretty towny. Anyway I don't think Wooper is ever the lynch here, CJ is left alone. Honestly rn I'm just thinking about LL + Wooper and Menal + Titus, and since this 1v1 has developed it has become almost inevitable that we lynch either one of them. If we don't do it, the same thing will continue D3 if we don't hit red and that wouldn't get us any further. The reason I'm voting Menal over LL is because I think didn't like both of your predecessors, I don't think your solutions are likely and I've generally liked LL since D1.

I might go into more detail later as to why I like LL over Menal, but unless LL is willing to reconsider Menal D3 I just think this is the best option.

Ah I might just be stupid, never mind.

this is really bad no?

[Menalque]

I'm actually kind of thinking crush + wooper rn

[LuckyLuciano]

Did Nom's alignment switch when Menal replaced in? What about Menal's conduct in particular outweighs your prior scum read on Nom's conduct?

Yet another post Titus conveniently ignores.

[Menalque]

like I think I could have given QQ a pass too easily for just being really out there when he was here but if that was a personality thing then it wasn't AI necessarily

[Menalque]

ducky and I are gonna have to have another one of those post game

talks

if he's town here because I don't understand what's stopped him from dealing with me in good faith all game in a way that I know he's capable of even when we're conflicting quite hard

[Menalque]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81654

@Titus, do you think the duck is interacting to me similarly here as to this game or is he being more unreasonable?

[Menalque]

Subject: Micro 909: 09:12 (Game Over!)

You’re going to read me off that day play yeah?

yes
you shitting on my skill level isn't making me want to bother rereading your ISO, if you feel entitled to a better read get on with the game and don't be bratty. :/

like I was being really horrible to him here and he was still making posts like this to me even after that and before I apologised

[Menalque]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

this is another towngame ducky has with me in which he finds me frustrating (seems par for the course) and I get pissed off with him for not town reading me but being paranoid

[Menalque]

can people say if they think his approach to my slot this game has been similar or not?