Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[Menalque]

I think I might be TRing datisi now

[Datisi]

datisi how do u read mena rn ?

T O W N

[Menalque]

skitt how do you read datisi rn?

[Datisi]

but it's like super super unpleasant for me bc I want to believe it's true and to respect your emotional state but also I'm worried that you're playing me here by saying stuff like "you don't ever get to say you can read me again once I flip" because that's some major guilt trip shit

like
i'm sorry
agh
i really didn't want to turn the game into ~this~
but i'm just
f r u s t r at e d rn

[skitter30]

i don't know

i want to figure it out in a few hours/days once everyone has calmed down, i feel like reading off of the emotional stuff is probably not the best idea

[Menalque]

i don't know

i want to figure it out in a few hours/days once everyone has calmed down, i feel like reading off of the emotional stuff is probably not the best idea

can you give me a snap feeling on it? because I think datisi being upset is almost certainly like a weak spot for me in terms of being able to be objective bc of out-of-game reasons and so it's really throwing me off

[Datisi]

fuck. fuck i'm sorry i didn't want to turn the game into this.

[skitter30]

i don't know

i want to figure it out in a few hours/days once everyone has calmed down, i feel like reading off of the emotional stuff is probably not the best idea

can you give me a snap feeling on it? because I think datisi being upset is almost certainly like a weak spot for me in terms of being able to be objective bc of out-of-game reasons and so it's really throwing me off

i really dont' know
like part of gut me is saying scum
and the other part is saying town

and i feel like commiting to either atm is rash and wouldn't be a solid read

[Menalque]

like I kinda wanna believe that datisi wouldn't do this as scum but idk if she's able to rationalise it as just a game and do it anyway

but I mostly really think she can't

but like it's something I can barely judge so I need a second opinion

[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.6

Datisi (3) ~

skitter30, Menalque, team rocket queen,

team rocket queen (1) ~

Datisi,

Not voting (5) ~

Marashu, UnhealthyKids, GeneralWu, Maduisha, clidd,

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-27 19:08:54)

V/LA:

• skitter30 - Fridays and Saturdays

[Menalque]

okay, that's a fair answer

[Menalque]

UNVOTE:

[Karnage]

are we getting a replacement, plot?

UnhealthyKids has a couple more hours to confirm. If they fail to do so, I will pull a replacement from the queue.

[clidd]

Im back, reading soon.

[Datisi]

like I kinda wanna believe that datisi wouldn't do this as scum but idk if she's able to rationalise it as just a game and do it anyway

for the record
i think i did already say once that i do believe in ~emotional manipulation~ being a fair and sqaure part of mafia as well as the ~logical part~
so like
take it as you will

[skitter30]

like I kinda wanna believe that datisi wouldn't do this as scum but idk if she's able to rationalise it as just a game and do it anyway

but I mostly really think she can't

but like it's something I can barely judge so I need a second opinion

like i used to feel this way and then basically had an emotional meltdown in tm when i felt like rc was unfairly pushing me so idk my feelings have changed

i wasn't doing it on purpose to like be manipulative but i literally didn't know how else to react in the moment

UNVOTE:

^ this isn't a tr so much as i want to take a step back

[Datisi]

like i'm trying to determine whether i'm right on my idea that scum is in the more townread players or if trq's bullshit is actually oportunistic scum

but like i feel like i'm not even being listened to

and

agh

I am listening to you and happy to talk about it, but yelling at me and guilting me doesn't really help me to feel

good

about reading you

ok so
do you see my point
from my pov (me/you/skitt all town)

why i worry that scum would be positioning themself with stuff like "datisi hasn't done anythign scummy *yet*", "didn't datisi say they're sick"
so upon my green flip they look better

[Maduisha]

I am one of the people that said one of those two things. So, I see a pretty long interaction of people saying you're talking in a scummy way because they know how you play. I address said interaction by saying I see no scummy action from the point of view of someone that doesn't know you. Am I scummy for wanting to base my reads on my own experience...?

I am really confused. I want to know how to interact with you, or how to read you, because right now I don't understand what do you expect from others seeing that interaction from the outside.

[Datisi]

In it of itself? no. it doesn't make you scum.

however. from my pov i'm town and i see the other 2 town pushing me. so i'm wondering "what is scum doing there?". and i'm looking for people who could be positioning themself for my green flip - basically talking in a somewhat positive light of "datisi doesn't seem scummy" so that more of the heat is on mena/skit but also leaving room to jump on the wagon later. you/gw/clidd fit that quota best.

HOWEVER now this fiasco happened and the more i think about it the more trq's push makes zero fucking sense and i want them to die. so.

[team rocket queen]

What completed games of mine did you read
That gave you the idea
What i, as scum, would """flex""""
By also calling my partner scum and voting for them

if you're asking for a specific game in which you started the game by voting your partner, i don't have that. if you're asking for examples of you being confident and bragging about things after the game, the discussion thread about breadcrumbing and the games it links to (especially micro 892) clearly show that. so it doesn't seem entirely out of character for you to have made a post like that to point to after the game ends.

like are you trying to argue he fake-crumbed mason using the word 'friend'?

i was arguing that it was a combination of friend, not seeing it, and come back to this once the sun is up, as well as the formatting of the post, and the past history of doing this, and that there was potentially more to it that i hadn't found yet.

it's hard for me to believe that she actually thinks - 'the word friend means he's fake-crumbing mason in the event he thinks i'm a mason and wants to kill me so that he can cc my real mason partner tomorrow'

*after* we established that trq's mason-claim to start the game was obviously fake

like i have trouble believing she thinks that's a real possibility

Wait, that's also true... first she voted Marashu for believing the claim, meaning she was proclaiming it fake with that vote on him, now she's pushing Datisi over fake crumbing the mason claim that everyone

including

herself had in mind as fake... the thought process doesn't click for me.

Well, the whole accusation doesn't click for me because it sounds absurd, but the thought process behind it is actually the head scratcher here.

datisi doesn't have to use the fake crumbing if i'm alive or if i don't flip mason so it seemed like a cover all bases thing to me.



i may have fallen in a rabbit hole here and i certainly wasn't intending to kick datisi while they were down. i had a theory i felt pretty sure about and wanted to post it to see if anyone else saw something i didn't.

[Datisi]

please tell me what about my play in micro 892 makes you think that
or that i was "bragging" after that game? what??

i was arguing that it was a combination of

friend, not seeing it, and come back to this once the sun is up

, as well as the formatting of the post, and the past history of doing this, and that there was potentially more to it that i hadn't found yet.

is
is this real
am i reading right
how is any of that
a crumb for anything

[Datisi]

i had a theory i felt pretty sure about and wanted to post it to see if anyone else saw something i didn't.

why is felt in past tense

do you no longer believe in that theory

[Menalque]

basically had an emotional meltdown in tm when i felt like rc was unfairly pushing me

my sympathies

[Menalque]

Am I scummy for wanting to base my reads on my own experience...?

I am really confused. I want to know how to interact with you, or how to read you, because right now I don't understand what do you expect from others seeing that interaction from the outside.

you're not scummy for wanting to base it on your own experience

basically, datisi has historically had a tendency to be very open and show that she's town very easily when town. equally, she's often struggled to engage or to achieve the same sense of being "natural" in her posting when scum.

here, she's seemed generally more mechanical than she would generally display within her town meta, and I think that's what both skitt and I picked up on and didn't like

[Datisi]

ok so
do you see my point
from my pov (me/you/skitt all town)

why i worry that scum would be positioning themself with stuff like "datisi hasn't done anythign scummy *yet*", "didn't datisi say they're sick"
so upon my green flip they look better

mena this was @you