Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[LuckyLuciano]

I assure you I am fine. Still, I appreciate the concern.

[Menalque]

I’m okay with dying here so long as wooper is always lynched tomorrow

[Menalque]

newbies: I'm going to flip town, so this post is more to be read after the fact. This game is probably going to be a loss, sorry. When things seem in stasis like this, it means things are probably going well for scum, because the gamestate -- the general way people are pushing, activity levels in the thread etc -- is quite static. In general, scum are aiming for a gamestate where they're in control, where they get to direct which mislynches happen in order to set up for an optimal lylo situation. If you're town, what you should be doing is trying to interrogate the gamestate and be active and probing. Part of the reason this game is going so badly for town is because most people are being super passive. I'm active, wooper and LL are active, and homura has been active to a slightly lesser extent.

The lack of content from ceejay, Titus, and crush is killing the game because it means there's not any fresh insight coming through, and it's also meaning that in the case that most of this is TvT then scum are able to simply blend into the background with inactive town players.

This game should also serve as a warning to the risk of allowing ego players (I should be included in this to an extent) to be allowed to have too much control on the gamestate. If LL is scum, then he's being allowed to have a disproportionate influence on where mislynches are directed. If town, then he's being allowed to have a disproportionate impact on where mislynches are directed. I still mostly think he's scum but it's very hard to check this when people aren't willing to talk to me about what they're seeing in his content that's town and break it down for me.

In general, trying to work off the backs of those who have good read accuracy is better than following the (proven to be bad) reads of someone who you think is town, or the reads of everyone averaged together. So far LL has scumread and pushed only town (phoe, Karnage, me) and therefore even if you think he is town, you should stop trusting his reads as time goes on. Obviously, it's harder to know who to trust as time goes on without a scumflip because you can't be sure who's reads have been accurate up to this point.

Final points: be aware that reads that are too accurate from too little can be scum!indicative for a person and show they're bussing rather than truly solving, and finally if you're in lylo be aware that scum generally have a plan and aren't just chancing it. that means they've brought someone along who they think they can mislynch, and someone along who they think is willing to vote that mislynch. if you find yourself there, try to think about whether you've been set for the mislynch OR more crucially, if there's a person who looks like obvscum to you who you've wanted to lynch for days, if you're the person who's been brought to cast the game losing vote on the mislynch.

If I’m green then please just remember this and always lynch wooper tomorrow

[Wooper]

i could write a really lengthy post about how i'm going to flip green too and insist you all lynch menalque tomorrow but like

i think it's already really obvious so
if you need to lynch me do it
if you're stumped for scum in f5 reread literally any exchange between menalque and i know that i'm town
=> lynch menalque
gl w the partner in f3

[Menalque]

Cool then let’s lynch you and when you flip red we can finish solving the game

[Wooper]

<=== menalque wooper ===>

you can win this round but my buddies will get you back for the win

[Wooper]

fr i'm l-1 and i've been the nearly uncontested lead wagon nearly all day loooooool
like i have absolutely no illusion about how likely i am to be lynched here
it's still a mislynch

[Menalque]

Oh, and double check titus in f3 if wooper is red

I think she’s town and it’s just crush but like to be safe

[Menalque]

fr i'm l-1 and i've been the nearly uncontested lead wagon nearly all day loooooool
like i have absolutely no illusion about how likely i am to be lynched here
it's still a mislynch

Lol are you kidding

I’ve looked like the mislynch basically all day

[Wooper]

Oh, and double check

titus

menalque in f3 if wooper is red

[Menalque]

You’ve literally freaked out about being lynchable in the last like 5 minutes since you realised my mislynch is no longer surefire even if still p likely

[Wooper]

Oh, and double check titus in f3 if

wooper

menalque is red

i'm bad at passive aggressive quoting sry

[Menalque]

Oh, and double check

titus

menalque in f3 if wooper is red

I mean the game is over if you’re ever green bc I don’t see me ever not being lynched tomorrow

[Wooper]

You’ve literally freaked out about being lynchable in the last like 5 minutes since you realised my mislynch is no longer surefire even if still p likely

you've been the lynch for like 5 seconds after you actually finally got a second vote lmao
you/titus were just parked on me all phase hooowwwww would i not expect to eat the mislynch

[Wooper]

Oh, and double check

titus

menalque in f3 if wooper is red

I mean the game is over if you’re ever green bc I don’t see me ever not being lynched tomorrow

this isn't correct because we're not the scumteam

[Wooper]

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[Menalque]

You’ve literally freaked out about being lynchable in the last like 5 minutes since you realised my mislynch is no longer surefire even if still p likely

you've been the lynch for like 5 seconds after you actually finally got a second vote lmao
you/titus were just parked on me all phase hooowwwww would i not expect to eat the mislynch

Bc literally everyone was talking about how open they were to being on me?

Like ceejay, homura etc were all happy to lynch me earlier

P sure LL still wants to lynch me

[Menalque]

Oh, and double check

titus

menalque in f3 if wooper is red

I mean the game is over if you’re ever green bc I don’t see me ever not being lynched tomorrow

this isn't correct because we're not the scumteam

This doesn’t even make sense?

[Menalque]

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“Please stop making me show how scummy I am by continuing to talk mena, please be quiet and eat your mislynch”

[LuckyLuciano]

You’ve literally freaked out about being lynchable in the last like 5 minutes since you realised my mislynch is no longer surefire even if still p likely

you've been the lynch for like 5 seconds after you actually finally got a second vote lmao
you/titus were just parked on me all phase hooowwwww would i not expect to eat the mislynch

Bc literally everyone was talking about how open they were to being on me?

Like ceejay, homura etc were all happy to lynch me earlier

P sure LL still wants to lynch me

I'd rather just not play another game with you ever again. /shrug

[Wooper]

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“Please stop making me show how scummy I am by continuing to talk mena, please be quiet and eat your mislynch”

stoppppp spamming rhetoriccccc

[Wooper]

You’ve literally freaked out about being lynchable in the last like 5 minutes since you realised my mislynch is no longer surefire even if still p likely

you've been the lynch for like 5 seconds after you actually finally got a second vote lmao
you/titus were just parked on me all phase hooowwwww would i not expect to eat the mislynch

Bc literally everyone was talking about how open they were to being on me?

Like ceejay, homura etc were all happy to lynch me earlier

P sure LL still wants to lynch me

we reading the same game?
cjv is literally voting me
homura is awol and holds as hammer
ll just unvoted me and said he'd sheep cjv

there's been veeery few moments this phase where i've been like "huh there is a high chance of actually lynching scum"
for nearly the entire phase i've been absolutely aware that i'm going down, and jsyk i am dragging your ass down with me.

Oh, and double check

titus

menalque in f3 if wooper is red

I mean the game is over if you’re ever green bc I don’t see me ever not being lynched tomorrow

this isn't correct because we're not the scumteam

This doesn’t even make sense?

yes it does
lynching me => 5p lylo => lynching you => 3p lylo

like that only applies if we're t/t or s/s
and you're scuuummmmm

[Menalque]

You’ve literally freaked out about being lynchable in the last like 5 minutes since you realised my mislynch is no longer surefire even if still p likely

you've been the lynch for like 5 seconds after you actually finally got a second vote lmao
you/titus were just parked on me all phase hooowwwww would i not expect to eat the mislynch

Bc literally everyone was talking about how open they were to being on me?

Like ceejay, homura etc were all happy to lynch me earlier

P sure LL still wants to lynch me

I'd rather just not play another game with you ever again. /shrug

Fine by me.

[Menalque]

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“Please stop making me show how scummy I am by continuing to talk mena, please be quiet and eat your mislynch”

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You’re really much more annoying when you’re scum, if no one has told you that before

Like noticeably so

[Menalque]

I get it re: your win con but it doesn’t make it less irritating