Klick's Mini Normal Review, March 2020

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Number of players:

13

List of roles:

Mafia Compulsive Weak Neighborizer
Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Informed 1-Shot Jailkeeper ('There is a Town Watcher.')

Town Watcher
Town Indecisive Babysitter
Town Ascetic
Town Neighborizer Enabler
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Role PMs:

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
Aside from that, you have no special abilities.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Town

player lives.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

Spoiler: Town Watcher

Town Watcher

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Town Watcher

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
In addition, each Night you may target a player and learn who, if anybody, targeted that player the same Night.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Town

player lives.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

Spoiler: Town Indecisive Babysitter

Town Indecisive Babysitter

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Town Indecisive Babysitter

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
In addition, each Night you may target a player at Night to protect them. However, if you are killed that night, both you and your target will die. You may not choose to protect the same player on two consecutive Nights.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Town

player lives.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

Spoiler: Town Ascetic

Town Ascetic

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Town Ascetic

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
In addition, you are immune to all Night actions except kills.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Town

player lives.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

Spoiler: Town Neighborizer Enabler

Town Neighborizer Enabler

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Town Neighborizer Enabler

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
In addition, if you die, all Neighborizers will lose the ability to Neighborize.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Town

player lives.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

Spoiler: Mafia Compulsive Weak Neighborizer

Mafia Compulsive Weak Neighborizer

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Mafia Compulsive Weak Neighborizer

. Your fellow

Mafia

members are

[player]

,

Mafia Encryptor

, and

[player]

,

Mafia Informed 1-shot Jailkeeper

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
In addition, each Night you

must

choose a player to recruit into a Neighborhood. You may begin speaking to each other in this Neighborhood at the start of the next Day.
If you target a member of the

Mafia

with a Night Action, you will die.

Each Night, you and your fellow

Mafia

members may discuss amongst yourselves in this [Private Topic]. This is also where one of you will submit your Factional Kill.
Furthermore, as long as the

Mafia Encryptor

is alive, you and your partners may also speak in this Private Topic during the Day.

You are aligned with the

Mafia

. You win if at least half of the remaining players are members of the

Mafia

or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Mafia Encryptor

. Your fellow

Mafia

members are

[player]

,

Mafia Compulsive Weak Neighborizer

, and

[player]

,

Mafia Informed 1-shot Jailkeeper

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.

Each Night, you and your fellow

Mafia

members may discuss amongst yourselves in this [Private Topic]. This is also where one of you will submit your Factional Kill.
Furthermore, as long as you are alive, you and your partners may also speak in this Private Topic during the Day.

You are aligned with the

Mafia

. You win if at least half of the remaining players are members of the

Mafia

or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

Spoiler: Mafia Informed 1-Shot Jailkeeper

Mafia Informed 1-Shot Jailkeeper

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Mafia Informed 1-Shot Jailkeeper

. Your fellow

Mafia

members are

[player]

,

Mafia Compulsive Weak Neighborizer

, and

[player]

,

Mafia Encryptor

.

You are aware that there is a Town Watcher in this game.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
In addition, once per game, you may target a player at Night to protect them. You will also block them from performing any Night Actions.

Each Night, you and your fellow

Mafia

members may discuss amongst yourselves in this [Private Topic]. This is also where one of you will submit your Factional Kill.
Furthermore, as long as the

Mafia Encryptor

is alive, you and your partners may also speak in this Private Topic during the Day.

You are aligned with the

Mafia

. You win if at least half of the remaining players are members of the

Mafia

or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

Opening Post:

Mini Normal XXXX

Phase:

Design

End Of Phase:

TBD

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Alive:

Spoiler: (13/13)

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Dead:

Spoiler: (0/13)

Modkilled:

-None (Keep up the good work everyone!)

Important Events:

Rules Post:

RULES

*Largely stolen without permission from

Thespio being inspired by northsidegal

Elbirn, who did the aforementioned things

General:

-Adhere to all site rules.
-Always play to win.
-Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not. Comment on play, not player.
-Pretending to break the rules will be treated similarly as actually breaking the rules.
-Do not quote any private communication regarding this game—this includes your role PM, other mod communication, posts from private threads, etc. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you're unsure, ask me first.
-If you need to get my attention, please

bold

your text and include "

@mod

" in your post or PM me.
-

This (#FF885F) is my color.

Please don't use it.
-Do not use encryption, hidden text or excessively small text in your posts.
-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.
-Each day phase will last for 10 days, with night phases lasting 48 hours.
-Prods are issued at 48 hours of inactivity and must be responded to with game related content. "Prodge" is unacceptable; a bare minimum "So-and-so looks bad" or something of the like will suffice.
-At 3 prods I will, at my discretion, begin looking for a replacement.
-You are permitted one "Bah" post - it must not have any game-related content. Otherwise, do not post in the game thread or any private topics following your death, with the exception of the dead thread. Failure to adhere to this rule will result in a posthumous modkill, which wouldn't really mean much other than shame on your ancestral house.
-If you have the ability to edit your posts, do not do so. That would be cheating, and cheating is wrong.
-My decisions are final. If I feel you are violating any of the rules, I will take the appropriate action.
-As a general principle, whenever moderator action is required I will attempt to make the decision that has the least impact on the natural flow of gameplay. For example, force replacing instead of modkilling whenever possible.

Voting Rules:

-All votes and unvotes must be in vote tags ( VOTE: Klick ) or in bold (

Vote: Klick

).
-Votes in spoilers will not be counted.
-Abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable, as long as I can understand them and they couldn't possibly refer to any other player. Be as clear as you can please.
-Unvotes are not necessary before revoting, but they would be helpful.
-Lynches will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the day will end in a no-lynch.
-Voting to end the day in a no-lynch requires only 50% of players rather than >50%.
-Once a hammer has occurred, the game is in "twilight". Discussion may continue until I lock the thread but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.

Specific Setup Rules:

-Night actions this game will follow Natural Action Resolution.
-If you do not send me an action for the night, I will assume that you are not taking one.
-The Mafia do not have daytalk by default.
-At least one player has received the following role:

Spoiler: Sample Role PM

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini Normal [XXXX],

[player]

. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Each Day, you may talk with the other players in the game thread and vote for whoever you would like to lynch.
Aside from that, you have no powers.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Town

player lives.

Please confirm your role name and your alignment to me via PM.

You can find the game thread [here].

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Primary: RadiantCowbells
Secondary: schadd_

[schadd_]

pointing and laughing at implo for messing up url tag

things to note: compulsive is definitely allowed in normal games but it requires an ordered list of names batched with the player's confirmation that serves as a non-random basis for the action if they fail to submit it - you should probably mention that they have to do this

the role itself is a rough one. at first i thought: aha no no no, they can simply not claim the weak component and it will be neutral utility, but yes the neighborhood is confirmed town if the neighborizer is lynched. importantly i don't believe anything stops it from neighborizing one person over and over again (unless that person dies - usually pretty easy for scum to neighborize a towny person and then prevent them from dying) so it is also not so great a town utility.

i do not like that role very much i should say. usually when i am doing some sort of mechanic where scum picks someone to make innocent, i do like a proper and explicit mechanic about it. like i Really don't like the idea of someone not realizing they can stack neighborizes on one person and then that affects the game.

in all i would also say this is rather scumsided.

i iike the inform abt the watcher.

[RadiantCowbells]

this needs more town power

i'm fine with the weak neighbourizer: i don't think it's a great town power but it's interesting. at worst you can just target the person you NK

[Klick]

I failed to realise the bit about being able to target the same person more than once myself, whoops. I could tack Indecisive onto it, but that starts getting silly in terms of modifiers and isn't an elegant solution... I think the (known) existence of a Watcher at least makes optimal play difficult to determine. Regardless, I can definitely include explicit details about the Compulsive aspect of the role in the Role PM if that will be clearer.

Balance was a question mark for me but I was leaning scumsided. I was considering the Neighborizer to be more negative utility than it seems to be. If something happens to the Watcher early on I suppose town has very little left.
I considered a Vanilla Cop in drafting - would that be a sensible addition (in place of a VT)? Psychologist might also be worth considering. I'm not sure how much town power will help balance this.

[schadd_]

as far as psychologist goes: compulsive weak neighborizer is perhaps incapable of killing, since it has to neighborize every night. one time i asked implo if this was true and if so how that should affect psychologists and whatnot and he was like "i really hate this question"

[Klick]

haha that's fair. I think we've technically got a loophole here with the Neighborizer Enabler that would allow the Neighborizer to potentially kill at some point, but I wouldn't want to take advantage of that if it was a grey area.

[RadiantCowbells]

1-Shot Cop or something?

[Klick]

Hmm... I don't think I hate some sort of gated Rolecop in this setup? Like 2-shot or Even or something. All the scum are likely interpreted as guilties, but I don't think it clears any town.
If it doesn't fit then 1-shot Cop also sounds fine to me

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't see anything wrong with a full rolecop for town here

I guess I could pass gated rolecop

[Klick]

I'm happy with full Rolecop!
So that would make it:

Mafia Compulsive Weak Neighborizer
Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Informed 1-Shot Jailkeeper ('There is a Town Watcher.')

Town Watcher
Town Rolecop
Town Indecisive Babysitter
Town Ascetic
Town Neighborizer Enabler
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Does that look okay?

[RadiantCowbells]

Sure.

Would you like me to do role PMs or have you got it

[Klick]

That would be amazing actually. I could do it this evening if not but that would be super helpful, thank you

[RadiantCowbells]

fuck my internet

i've done this twice and had the submission fail and not been able to get it back

[RadiantCowbells]

Welcome! You are a

Compulsive Weak Neighborizer

.

Your action is compulsive, meaning that you must submit an ordered playerlist at the start of the game and if you fail to submit, you will target the highest living player.

Each night you must target a player, adding them to a neighbourhood which can be found here.

You belong to a mafia PT which can be found here.

You win when the Town have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Welcome! You are an

Encryptor

.

While you are alive, any private topics that you have access to will be open during both days and nights.

You belong to a mafia PT which can be found here.

You win when the Town have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Welcome! You are an

Informed 1-Shot Jailkeeper

.

You are informed that the game contains a

Watcher

.

Once per game you may jailkeep a player, protecting them from all nightkills and roleblocking them.

You belong to a mafia PT which can be found here.

You win when the Town have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

[RadiantCowbells]

Welcome! You are a

Watcher

.

Each night you may target a player, learning all the players that targeted them or receiving no result.

You win when there are no more Mafia players alive.

Welcome! You are a

Role Cop

.

Each night you may target a player, receiving their full role name but no alignment info or receiving no result.

You win when there are no more Mafia players alive.

Welcome! You are a

Watcher

.

Each night you may target a player, learning all the players that targeted them or receiving no result.

You win when there are no more Mafia players alive.

Welcome! You are an

Indecisive Babysitter

.

Each night you may target a player that you didn't target the previous night, protecting them from one kill.

If you die a night that you targeted a player, they will also die.

You win when there are no more Mafia players alive.

Welcome! You are an

Ascetic

.

Non-killing actions that target you will fail.

You win when there are no more Mafia players alive.

Welcome! You are a

Neighbourizer Enabler

.

When you die, all neighbourizer roles will no longer be able to act.

You win when there are no more Mafia players alive.

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have your voice and your vote.

You win when there are no more Mafia players alive.

[Klick]

Welcome! You are a

Compulsive Weak Neighborizer

.

Your action is compulsive, meaning that you must submit an ordered playerlist at the start of the game and if you fail to submit, you will target the highest living player.

Each night you must target a player, adding them to a neighbourhood which can be found here.

If you target a Mafia member, you will die.

You belong to a mafia PT which can be found here.

You win when the Town have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

I think I'll add the bolded?

[Klick]

Otherwise that all looks great to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oops, i'm dumb. Yeah add it.