Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.14

Marashu (3) ~

skitter30, Menalque, Datisi,

Datisi (1) ~

team rocket queen,

clidd (1) ~

word321,

GeneralWu (1) ~

Maduisha,

Not voting (3) ~

Marashu, GeneralWu, clidd,

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-27 19:08:54)

V/LA:

• skitter30 - Fridays and Saturdays

[team rocket queen]

... i mean that's kinda the point of the game?
you have to decide which scenario is most likely

i think one scum between the three of you is the most likely scenario, but i'm far from ruling the others out.

[team rocket queen]

i think one scum between the three of you is the most likely scenario, but i'm far from ruling the others out.

that isn't to say i think any of the three of you are the most likely of everyone to be scum in the game, simply that one scum being within the group means all of your individual likelihood gets added together.

[GeneralWu]

I think the main thing I don't like is your replying to the recent messages while still saying you haven't caught up... I would rather if you read the whole thing, and then replied to us. Otherwise it gives the impression that you are trying to drag that catch-up for as long as possible. But I'm not your mom (I think), so I can't tell you what to do.

More like I usually just jump around between the recent posts and the earlier ones.
So sometimes I go back and I reply to posts I find interesting, and other times I reply to more recent posts since the more recent ones are easier to generate discussion.
I don't think I've ever played in a game where I've thoroughly read every post since usually I read them pretty quickly. Usually there's no need to.

Okay, so you found Datisi's push of Marashu to be scummy. But if you read the thread, you'll see that there's nothing "quick" about it. People have been suspecting Marashu almost since the first time he posted.

I mean datisi seemed to me like one of the people who was scumreading marashu the hardest.

Also regarding marashu I don't like how people are scumreading him from the first time he posted...

I don't mean to be rude, but first it was that the push was "quick" and now it's that he scumread him too hard. Which one is it?

I still consider your slot to be a null one, because it's perfectly possible that you're just having real life constraints. However, I want to escalate the FoS I had on you into a vote, because I think the potential scumminess of this behavior should not be overlooked. I didn't vote you before, because I was waiting for you to come back on Saturday as promised. I feel you could use some pressure to catch up and put your thoughts together.

VOTE: GeneralWu

so, you consider my slot a null one, but then you vote me anyways
do you think I'm null or do you think I'm scummy

I explained why I voted you while declaring you a null read, don't act like I don't put it in the message you just quoted...? But yeah, anyway, I considered you a towny vibe slot, then I saw scummy behavior from you and decided to take a step back. I might be tunneling a bit, but I don't like your latest messages. I feel like these are a bit on the scummy side too on top of the ones prior to my vote, so as of right now I now I think you're scummy.

about the "quick" thing
I didn't like the fact that there were a lot of people who were quickly scumreading marashu
It's generally not normal for a person to be scumread for activity reasons this early in the game, especially considering that people were scumreading him from like the moment he posted in the game.
Also it seems to me like datisi is trying to push marashu because he's an easy target.
it is significantly easier to push an inactive slot than an active slot in most cases.

and for the second part, you basically changed your mind within the span of a single post
Earlier in that post I quoted you said "I think he's null" but then before you even finished writing the post, you changed your mind and thought I was scummy?
Or maybe now you're attempting to go like "nope I actually meant something else"?

[Datisi]

do you honestly think marashu is being SRed only for activity reasons?

[GeneralWu]

then why else is he being scumread

tbh I actually don't know if marashu even knows he's being scumread cuz he's so inactive

[Datisi]

ಠ_ಠ

other than having only 12 posts? posts comment on the game but do p much nothing to advance it, almost every post has questions that aren't followed up on in the slightest

did you know that marashu's last post asked you a question? i don't even know what to make of it that you're apparently TRing him p strongly but just kinda ~missed~ that

also can you actually like read the thread and give a readslist or smt because i don't think you're even voting so

[GeneralWu]

I don't townread him pretty strongly
I just don't like the fact that he was pushed from like the moment the game started.

also I've stated my reads i just didn't put it in a list...
like it's possible to have reads without listing them all out...
although there might be a few people who i haven't commented that much on so i'll look at those people.

btw usually I don't vote right away

[GeneralWu]

I don't townread him pretty strongly
I just don't like the fact that he was pushed from like the moment the game started.

also I've stated my reads i just didn't put it in a list...
like it's possible to have reads without listing them all out...
although there might be a few people who i haven't commented that much on so i'll look at those people.

btw usually I don't vote right away

and it's possible to have reads and push people without voting till later

[GeneralWu]

marashu is like in the middle of the spectrum
although if he still doesn't do anything for the rest of the day then it could be considered scummy

however I really don't like the fact that he's getting pushed from the moment he got into the game.
it's unlikely for marashu to be mafia and getting bussed by his partner
so if he flips red datisi is probably town
whereas if he flips green datisi still has a chance of being mafia

[skitter30]

gw you and marashu feel svs to me

[Datisi]

@gw

did you know that marashu's last post asked you a question?

[GeneralWu]

So I took a look at skitter's ISO because I noticed a few interesting posts from her; mainly these:

VOTE: team rocket queen

i dislike that they've been going on and on about the merits of meta-reading off of old games without really interacting with what else is going on this game much

VOTE: datisi

because you feel weird and feel like you're just kinda like ~around~ and trying to seem active without actually doing anything, if that makes sense

VOTE: trq

Actually VOTE: marashu

1949 is the one i modded with scum!datisi?

she throws these votes out of the blue with no explanations given. I checked her ISO and she didn't provide reasons before casting those votes. Also, in some cases she only explains

after

being told to do so by someone else.
And I still haven't found her reasons for voting marashu.

@gw

did you know that marashu's last post asked you a question?

uh yeah I did
and I believe I've answered it by now even though I didn't quote it.

gw you and marashu feel svs to me

why do you think so
you haven't even given your reasons for voting marashu.

[Datisi]

marashu is like in the middle of the spectrum

i mean
marashu got three (3) votes on him and you jumped out of nowhere while not even being caught up hard defending him and towncasing him with a very weak case
but he's in the middle

also what *are* your reads?
- i thought you were tring marashu but apparently he's in the ~middle~
- you thought i was scummy bc of marashu push but was there anything else?
- early in the game you thought mena was towny, clidd was also more towny than scummy, and trq had towny tone, but none of these ever got followed up on i think

also i'm not talking about voting "right away", like over half of the day has already passed, this is not "right away"

pedit: you really did not answer it

[Datisi]

she throws these votes out of the blue with no explanations given. I checked her ISO and she didn't provide reasons before casting those votes. Also, in some cases she only explains after being told to do so by someone else.

thank you for laying out this factual statement. what does that tell you about skitter?

[GeneralWu]

marashu is like in the middle of the spectrum

i mean
marashu got three (3) votes on him and you jumped out of nowhere while not even being caught up hard defending him and towncasing him with a very weak case
but he's in the middle

also what *are* your reads?
- i thought you were tring marashu but apparently he's in the ~middle~
- you thought i was scummy bc of marashu push but was there anything else?
- early in the game you thought mena was towny, clidd was also more towny than scummy, and trq had towny tone, but none of these ever got followed up on i think

also i'm not talking about voting "right away", like over half of the day has already passed, this is not "right away"

pedit: you really did not answer it

I feel like someone in the middle shouldn't be lynched
I think you're scummy not only because of marashu but bc of the way you're pushing me.
I feel like you're telling me to just vote quickly and not think too much about it.

also most of the time I prefer to vote even closer to eod than right now.

I do think clidd is still towny bc he's still trying pretty hard
I still have a gut read that mena is towny but I just looked over some of his posts and I think I have to look at him again.
same for TRQ.
I do have reads on other people but I just want to go back through their posts and verify (so I don't make a bad read because I mixed up the evidence, and stuff like that).

[Datisi]

I think you're scummy not only because of marashu but bc of the way you're pushing me.

Please do elaborate when you get the chance.

[word321]

i do understand somewhat gw point. activity is a book indicative of scum. both marashu and gws scumsiness are due to activity issues, at least somewhat in the case of gw.
that doesnt make it any less suspicious, at least as a posibility. gw does seem to contradict himself, claiming the few msgs marashu shows are townleans but claiming later (and thats the whole thing) that he nulls him. its like a change of perspective. of course, it is still plausible that it was that in fact (tl on early msgs, overall nul and too early to judge scum by activity), but considering that was said under pressure, it adds as a scumlean.
but the thing is, everythin is so bland. 2 players with activity problems (gw is active, put not rly reading everything, wich harms his ability to solve the game), one defending earnestrly the other. it seems by all sides like the perfect lynch.

and here is the gist. ive done some analysis on men, not rly in depth but some parts of his iso.
he has some posts wich i kind of read as townlean, like 427. it is still plausible to be said considering an access to pruviledged info, but a townlean nonetheless. but then you have things like 529 and 530. its important to say my first msg was 547, so that word was the inactive slot. that only makes sense by a PoE. but even then, the proposed solution was the most inactive players at the time, transitioned in wu and then clidd, just to be sure. for a mafia game, that sure is boring, to say the least.

another interesting post is 245. he generally (and still, it seems) tr trq bc of bringing too much attention to his slot; he handwaves it as a scum strategir a newb would use, except by a coaching scenario. it is a remote possibility, but it is possible for men to be the coach, but unlikely. that would explain some of trq behavior.

men relation with skit is complicated to analyze. it seems they have played some games, so they have some degree of sr/tr derived from that xp. currently, it seems they tr, at least partially, each other. but their position in the game makes it possible as trq said for them to be scum together.

i dnt rly think he can be scum with dats, seeing how things went. i at least, cant read somethig from that.

it only seems plausible a scenario of men/clidd with some kind of weird magical tricks of lampshading the possibility of each other being scum. highly unlikely.

[word321]

so overall, i guess plausible scum pairs right now would be marashu/gw, skitt/men. this is ignoring the possibility of a scum clidd (again, i think thats a very real possibility, but bound to solve itself up), and abiding somewhat by his guidelines. of course, this is day 1, and everything may change eventually.

[Maduisha]

and for the second part, you basically changed your mind within the span of a single post
Earlier in that post I quoted you said "I think he's null" but then before you even finished writing the post, you changed your mind and thought I was scummy?
Or maybe now you're attempting to go like "nope I actually meant something else"?

I explained my thought process already, but I'll do it again.

- I thought you had a towny vibe, TL.
- You had activity issues, but still a TL.
- The activity issues continue, and you make some posts I deem scummy. I decide to take a step back and consider your slot null. I don't call you scummy in that post, but leave FoS on you because I don't like what I've seen, and vote you to pressure you to catch up.
- In light of even more posts I consider scummy, and continued activity issues, I consider the slot to lean scummier than town.

Here you have my thought process laid out for you once again. Feel free to pick it apart and ask me anything you like, but I believe I explained why I found you scummy already. I feel like you're making me repeat myself a lot.

[Maduisha]

it only seems plausible a scenario of men/clidd with some kind of weird magical tricks of lampshading the possibility of each other being scum. highly unlikely.

You seem pretty focused on Clidd still, but I'm glad you considered other people in your previous post aswe. Do you have impressions about other possible partners for Clidd? I say that because you've paired Menalque with Skitt already in your mind as a possibility, but you mention Menalque here too. I know you said you think they're an unlikely pair, but you still posted so that we have it in our minds too, in case it turns out to be not at all that crazy of an idea. That leads me to believe you are either subconsciously suspecting Menalque a lot, or trying to fit Clidd anywhere you can.

I know you don't want to rule Clidd out easily because he pinged you as weird pretty early on, but I think you're tunneling on your first impression and that can hamper your view of the game.

[word321]

You may be right about that, and I may be tunneling him. As for possible partners, I guess I could exclude his list of suspects. But other than that, there is no strong read by association. Now, he is in a similar position as u, in the sense that he is mostrly townread. It is completely plausible in that situation to stay on low profile.
But I had considered what u just said before, and as time passes, I find it more and more benefitial to focus my attention on other places, to not hamper other equal or greater possible scum overall.

[Marashu]

I'll post my reasoning this afternoon, but for now VOTE: skitter30. The short of it is, I noticed a trend in some of her posts but I don't have time right now to break it down.

[skitter30]

marashu is like in the middle of the spectrum
although if he still doesn't do anything for the rest of the day then it could be considered scummy

however I really don't like the fact that he's getting pushed from the moment he got into the game.
it's unlikely for marashu to be mafia and getting bussed by his partner
so if he flips red datisi is probably town
whereas if he flips green datisi still has a chance of being mafia

i'm confused
if it's unlikely for marashu to be mafia and getting bussed by his partner
why are the following two statements only about datisi?

[skitter30]

she throws these votes out of the blue with no explanations given. I checked her ISO and she didn't provide reasons before casting those votes. Also, in some cases she only explains after being told to do so by someone else.
And I still haven't found her reasons for voting marashu.

ok and?
is this scummy of me?
if it is ... because?
if it isn't .. why bring it up?