Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[Menalque]

Because it's good if you have reasons for voting someone.

So do you think skitt doesn’t have reasons for her votes?

[Datisi]

Because it's good if you have reasons for voting someone. You might agree with someone that a particular person is scummy, but you might have a different reason for voting him.

i mean
this seems more like "pushing someone for ~bad play~" (not explaining votes) rather than pushing something that's actually scum indicative

Also a mafia could just sit around for the whole game and just sheep people to hang some random townies if he doesn't get hanged.

:thonk:

[GeneralWu]

btw

sometimes I post some stuff for people to answer themselves

sometimes i'm not answering my own questions bc i want to see other people's answers first so I can read them

like

when I answer my own questions it sometimes ruins the whole point of me asking them in the first place

[GeneralWu]

Because it's good if you have reasons for voting someone.

So do you think skitt doesn’t have reasons for her votes?

it's better if she explains cuz she seems like she's just sheeping or making random votes

[GeneralWu]

Because it's good if you have reasons for voting someone. You might agree with someone that a particular person is scummy, but you might have a different reason for voting him.

i mean
this seems more like "pushing someone for ~bad play~" (not explaining votes) rather than pushing something that's actually scum indicative

Yeah but skitter pushing marashu is scummy. Skitter doesn't explain her reasons, and marashu (being an inactive) is an easy target for mafia to push.

[Datisi]

So in total you have a null read on marashu (even though you've gone to great lengths to explain the townread side while handwaving the scumread side), but your first thought it "marashu is an easy target for mafia to push"? why, from your pov then, couldn't it be likely that marashu is an inactive mafia? you don't seem to consider that possibility at all

[Maduisha]

and for the second part, you basically changed your mind within the span of a single post
Earlier in that post I quoted you said "I think he's null" but then before you even finished writing the post, you changed your mind and thought I was scummy?
Or maybe now you're attempting to go like "nope I actually meant something else"?

I explained my thought process already, but I'll do it again.

- I thought you had a towny vibe, TL.
- You had activity issues, but still a TL.
- The activity issues continue, and you make some posts I deem scummy. I decide to take a step back and consider your slot null. I don't call you scummy in that post, but leave FoS on you because I don't like what I've seen, and vote you to pressure you to catch up.
- In light of even more posts I consider scummy, and continued activity issues, I consider the slot to lean scummier than town.

Here you have my thought process laid out for you once again. Feel free to pick it apart and ask me anything you like, but I believe I explained why I found you scummy already. I feel like you're making me repeat myself a lot.

so is it mainly those posts you think are scummy or mainly bc of activity
tbh I have a sl on you because you seem to be using these little reasons to sr me even though activity shouldn't really be used as a basis for scumreading someone.

she throws these votes out of the blue with no explanations given. I checked her ISO and she didn't provide reasons before casting those votes. Also, in some cases she only explains after being told to do so by someone else.
And I still haven't found her reasons for voting marashu.

ok and?
is this scummy of me?
if it is ... because?
if it isn't .. why bring it up?

what do you think
ofc it's scummy to just vote people and not provide reasons

Once again you make me repeat myself. I said in my last post towards you, and I repeat again, that I find you scummy because of the content of your messages That I brought to your attention that you were anchor posting and you answered with this:

i'm not trying to appear more active or anything
since I wouldn't consider those posts as actual contribution.
I just posted those because I didn't have time to read the game and I wasn't going to get anything done in a short amount of time anyways, so I just made a few random posts.

This reads as "I don't have much time to try to contribute, so I might as well just not try and fluffpost away". And then you proceeded to defend Marashu out of nowhere while claiming not having read the thread, while ignoring questions directed at you on the same page. Then, when you reappear, you defend yourself and Marashu and provide nothing else. Accuse Datisi of "rushing" a push on Marashu (when he has been the main suspect for days now), then when I point that out, you insist that Datisi is still scummy for wanting to pressure everyone's main scumread to be more engaging or get lynched.

Finally, when I decided to vote you to encourage you to catch up soon, you try to paint it in a different light

when I explicitly stated that the vote was for pressure

on the vote post. Your response to pressure is bad, is what I'm trying say. Call it bullshit if you want, but I really don't think my scumread on you is coming out of nowhere. I'd honestly prefer to lynch you today instead of Marashu because you're giving me the worst vibes out of everyone, but I'm satisfied with this wagon as well, and I don't think anyone (except perhaps Datisi) is going to support my read over Marashu. Which I understand.

[Datisi]

I'd honestly prefer to lynch you today instead of Marashu because you're giving me the worst vibes out of everyone, but I'm satisfied with this wagon as well, and I don't think anyone (

except perhaps Datisi

) is going to support my read over Marashu.

[team rocket queen]

Because it's good if you have reasons for voting someone.

do you think it is always beneficial to share those reasons as town?

earlier this game, skitter voted for me and you asked why.

VOTE: team rocket queen

why

she replied:

i dislike that they've been going on and on about the merits of meta-reading off of old games without really interacting with what else is going on this game much

which didn't seem like something there would be town benefit in telling me if she thought i was mafia. in a series of posts i communicated that to her, and she said:

i didn't originally ... i was asked to elaborate

do you, generalwu, think there was town benefit to asking skitter why here?

[Menalque]

GeneralWu, skitt’s meta is not to necessarily explain her votes when she makes them

I think also she often doesn’t have clear reasons or like clearly explicable reasons but she can correct me if I’m wrong there

Does that affect your read on her?

[word321]

Mad, what do u think about possible flips? You said youd rather lynch gw than Mara. but what do u think about the possible results of those lynchs? mara flipping town, mara flipping scum, gw flipping town and gw flipping scum.
I think if mara flips town, that may be indicative that gw may be town too, but i cant rly sriously consider gws game if that was not the case, AT ALL. Im not too sure about what to think from a town flip from gw, since mara has not interacted with the game at all.

[word321]

I may as well leave that as an open question, not just for mad.

[word321]

I think if mara flips town, that may be indicative that gw may be town too, but i cant rly sriously consider gws game if that was not the case

that but is a since

[Maduisha]

Mad, what do u think about possible flips? You said youd rather lynch gw than Mara. but what do u think about the possible results of those lynchs? mara flipping town, mara flipping scum, gw flipping town and gw flipping scum.
I think if mara flips town, that may be indicative that gw may be town too, but i cant rly sriously consider gws game if that was not the case, AT ALL. Im not too sure about what to think from a town flip from gw, since mara has not interacted with the game at all.

If Marashu is scum, I feel like GWu is scum because he's basically only appearing to defend Marashu and himself. And he keeps talking about the scumminess of Marashu that makes him nullread him, but still pushes the town narrative. If Marashu is town, then some of the more active people that tried to push for him from very early on might be looking a bit scummy here instead.

If GWu is scum, I don't really know who else to link with him other than Marashu himself. Maybe Clidd...? But I can't see a clear connection between the two, other than Clidd giving him a town lean early. He had some negative interactions with Datisi and myself, so you could pull from there if he flips town.

I really feel like there's less information for us if we lynch GWu instead of Marashu, so I'd call for a Marashu flip D1 even if I'm scumreading GWu more than him and I'd prefer his lynch. It's just instrumentally better to flip Marashu, I think.

[Maduisha]

While GWu fluffposts a good deal and disappears, he's more likely to bring us content to work with than Marashu, if you get what I mean.

[GeneralWu]

So in total you have a null read on marashu (even though you've gone to great lengths to explain the townread side while handwaving the scumread side), but your first thought it "marashu is an easy target for mafia to push"? why, from your pov then, couldn't it be likely that marashu is an inactive mafia? you don't seem to consider that possibility at all

you don't seem to understand that the push on marashu was bad.

[Datisi]

No, i truly don't.

[GeneralWu]

So in total you have a null read on marashu (even though you've gone to great lengths to explain the townread side while handwaving the scumread side), but your first thought it "marashu is an easy target for mafia to push"? why, from your pov then, couldn't it be likely that marashu is an inactive mafia? you don't seem to consider that possibility at all

you don't seem to understand that the push on marashu was bad.

I do understand that marashu could be inactive mafia
however he has an equal probability of being inactive town.

Also the push on marashu was terrible and you don't seem to understand that.

"Unless GeneralWu votes Marashu he's scum!!!" is pretty much what you seem to be saying.

VOTE: Datisi

[Datisi]

Also the push on marashu was terrible and you don't seem to understand that.

"Unless GeneralWu votes Marashu he's scum!!!" is pretty much what you seem to be saying.

don't fucking put words in my mouth, i never said nor implied anything like that

like, when marashu first got to L-2 you came to defend him and explain how everything he did is towny
then it turned into a nullread but we shouldn't flip nullreads
and NOW it's "the push was bad" even tho in the original defense you never brought that up

like get tf outta here

[Datisi]

"Unless GeneralWu votes Marashu he's scum!!!" is pretty much what you seem to be saying.

like
quote
one fucking post
where i said this
quote one goddamn post where i said this

[GeneralWu]

skitter was innocent child in that game and mason is the only day 1 confirmed town in this setup and i didn't want maduisha to get bored enough to yolohammer someone slightly later on like in 1987 so i figured i'd say something that might get the game moving a bit.

Any reason you want to get the game moving (without me needing to read up on other games to try to figure out your play)? We still have 4 people who haven't posted and you're already moving us out of the joke votes.

Don't really care for how we're still on page 1 and there are 3 separate games that have been referred to (thanks Dat because I had no clue what I was looking at in TRQ's link).

Fast posted by Dat, TRQ

TRQ, was Mad town or scum in 1987?

FP'd by Dat

The reason marashu is getting scumread is because of this post, and his activity.
Everyone has a different schedule, and some people just post more than others.
Also this one post and his activity is not enough for marashu to be considered lynchworthy. Marashu also clarified the stuff he said in this post later on.
I've also explained that him not following up on his posts could be associated with his activity:
Let's suppose you were inactive for a while, and there were a whole bunch of posts. The questions you asked earlier are pretty much irrelevant to the current discussion. Maybe not completely irrelevant, but following up on those posts would not make much sense in the current context. Therefore, you don't.

People are also scumreading marashu because of iioa, and while that is true, he has also done more than solely post information.

[word321]

I agree with mad on her read. I feel marashu will just stay there the whole game if his behavior dsnt improve, being a source of possible scumness, or not contributing to a Lylo. That may by itself harm the game not just now, but in other days too. I also agree with with her read on possible flips.
But I do disgree with a D1 flip, and thats for a simple reason: power roles. Assuming every day a lynch, we enter lylo on day 3, in the worstpossible scenario. If we dont, we enter mylo day 3, and lylo day 4 (if we dont mislynch, of course). that may let our powerroles have one more day.
Theres a possibility of mason, of course, but that by itself may solve some problems if the right ppl are masons.
Talking about that, gw, in the remote case u r mason with mara, pls claim it now. It may solve a lot of headeches for the town and may benefit us at the long run.

[Datisi]

word, if you're recommending no-lynching, don't. we're lynching today.

[Maduisha]

I've also explained that him not following up on his posts could be associated with his activity:
Let's suppose you were inactive for a while, and there were a whole bunch of posts. The questions you asked earlier are pretty much irrelevant to the current discussion. Maybe not completely irrelevant, but following up on those posts would not make much sense in the current context. Therefore, you don't.

Okay. And what happens when the posts are irrelevant to the discussion in the moment he posted them? I think that's the main scummy thing here, that there were discussions going on, and he comes, pops a question at a random person and disappears.

[GeneralWu]

quick comment that's not really related to the game:
investigative power roles get scarier as the game goes on
but in a smaller game masons are the most powerful role since they give you 2 confirmed town to begin with.

I agree with mad on her read. I feel marashu will just stay there the whole game if his behavior dsnt improve, being a source of possible scumness, or not contributing to a Lylo. That may by itself harm the game not just now, but in other days too. I also agree with with her read on possible flips.
But I do disgree with a D1 flip, and thats for a simple reason: power roles. Assuming every day a lynch, we enter lylo on day 3, in the worstpossible scenario. If we dont, we enter mylo day 3, and lylo day 4 (if we dont mislynch, of course). that may let our powerroles have one more day.
Theres a possibility of mason, of course, but that by itself may solve some problems if the right ppl are masons.
Talking about that, gw, in the remote case u r mason with mara, pls claim it now. It may solve a lot of headeches for the town and may benefit us at the long run.

wait I'm not sure what you mean by a D1 flip
are you saying to no hang on day 1?
Also i'm not mason with marashu