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[skitter30]

The thing pinging me the worst about Marashu is the super delayed reaction to the Skitter stuff I pointed to him earlier, like he posted after Skitter answered his accusation and he basically ignored until later.

hence lack of follow-through

[Menalque]

i don't think scum!wu randomly whiteknights town!maru

okay, why not?

[skitter30]

like is this scum

i think you meant 'like this is town'?
and ok, why do you think that

seems very earnest and reads to me like he's genuinely giving thoughts to try and help for D2

no? i don't see earnest at all? he's like doing the absolute bare minimum he should be doing if he's town and getting lynched here.

[skitter30]

i don't think scum!wu randomly whiteknights town!maru

okay, why not?

he could have just taken the mislynch with nobody questioning it at all
it's backfired badly and there's no reason to take this position in the first place

[skitter30]

The thing pinging me the worst about Marashu is the super delayed reaction to the Skitter stuff I pointed to him earlier, like he posted after Skitter answered his accusation and he basically ignored until later.

what seems scummy about this to you?

That he wrote a Skitt accusation, then the accusation got addressed, and when Marashu got summoned to claim his role, he kept pushing Skitt as if her answer never existed. He never addressed her points, either, although he did address the fact that she delayed his lynch (but pretty late, too). And right when he unvotes Skitt, he starts pointing out how GWu is scummy, yet doesn't place a vote (Clidd has been doing the same, but I don't think we can judge Marashu's behavior and Clidd's the same way due to post history). GWu is not exactly displaying towny behavior, I get that because I was pushing him a lot myself, but why is Marashu addressing the whiteknighting only now? It happened several pages ago, and he posted from that moment until now, so I wonder.

yeah like none of this is good

[Menalque]

like is this scum

i think you meant 'like this is town'?
and ok, why do you think that

seems very earnest and reads to me like he's genuinely giving thoughts to try and help for D2

no? i don't see earnest at all? he's like doing the absolute bare minimum he should be doing if he's town and getting lynched here.

I mean, hence earnest

I don't think it would make him townier if there were a load of wordsalad alongside this

he's communicating the barebones of his reads in an efficient way that can easily be referred back to

[Menalque]

i don't think scum!wu randomly whiteknights town!maru

okay, why not?

he could have just taken the mislynch with nobody questioning it at all
it's backfired badly and there's no reason to take this position in the first place

but at the time he took it it was looking like mara was going to be forced through by some combination of you/me/datisi and it was a lynch that practically everyone else in the game seemed happy with

why would you oppose it then? possibly you genuinely see something towny, but I don't think there was a lot towny there beforehand, but also possibly because you can get cred for having opposed the town!flip when others were pushing it

yeah, it's a bit more advanced but I don't see why you're ruling it out esp when just taking the mislynch tends to look bad for scum longer term

[Datisi]

thoughts on 1051 you two?

[skitter30]

I mean, hence earnest

I don't think it would make him townier if there were a load of wordsalad alongside this

he's communicating the barebones of his reads in an efficient way that can easily be referred back to

that doesn't make him earnest?
that means he's realizing he's close to getting lynched. if he's town he needs to give reads. if he's scum he needs to at least pretend to give reads.

i don't think it's an inherently townie act at all, it's nai to me.
like since it's the bare minimum he should be doing, it's not a townie act
and as is, they're p threadbare and hedging.
if i'm the person he thinks is most likely scum as stated, why'd he unvote me ... there's no conviction there.
if he'd at least said something like 'i dont' think she's viable anymore so i'm going to reasses the situation and decide where to vote' i could understand the unvote
but i'm his biggest stated scumread and he unvoted me for vague reasons without putting his vote elsewhere

like it's hard for me to see the reads as being earnest or sincere given that his actions dont' really match what he's saying

[Menalque]

VOTE: Marashu

don't wanna die

so, you called skit scummy, you called me scummy, you called madu scummy

but when faced with being the wagon

instead of actually trying to case either one of us

you decide to join your counterwagon who you were vocally defending but you apparently nullread.

yeah.

also quoting this for new page, this isn't a towny thought process

we have two days left, not two hours left

there is time to try to get a wagon going on what wu apparently persumes as scum

this is textbook survivalism

I have mixed feelings

I don't think raw survivalism is that scummy, and I've made similar cases as town in the past (a la pfup) where I voted my opposing wagon while being town and more or less town reading them according to the exact same logic as Wu here

[skitter30]

why would you oppose it then? possibly you genuinely see something towny, but I don't think there was a lot towny there beforehand, but also possibly because you can get cred for having opposed the town!flip when others were pushing it

yeah, it's a bit more advanced but I don't see why you're ruling it out esp when just taking the mislynch tends to look bad for scum longer term

i think it's a little more likely that you'd oppose it there due to sincerely believing the read than like lol-whiteknighting the designated mislynch just as it was about to go through

i'd also have expected scum to kinda back down defending a townie like this if they got this kind of blowback

[skitter30]

also quoting this for new page, this isn't a towny thought process

we have two days left, not two hours left

there is time to try to get a wagon going on what wu apparently persumes as scum

this is textbook survivalism

meh i can see it from either alignment

[Datisi]

why would you oppose it then? possibly you genuinely see something towny, but I don't think there was a lot towny there beforehand, but also possibly because you can get cred for having opposed the town!flip when others were pushing it

yeah, it's a bit more advanced but I don't see why you're ruling it out esp when just taking the mislynch tends to look bad for scum longer term

i think it's a little more likely that you'd oppose it there due to sincerely believing the read than like lol-whiteknighting the designated mislynch just as it was about to go through

i'd also have expected scum to kinda back down defending a townie like this

if they got this kind of blowback

didn't wu do exactly this? when mara's wagon was at its peak, he went "you are actually lynching mara this is so bad" and that was that?

[Maduisha]

Actually, since we don't know whether GWu will come back or not due to that last post being super strange, I'm going to move my vote to Marashu. If GWu doesn't appear, at least one of the people not in either wagon can hammer one of the suspects before the deadline arrives.

VOTE: Marashu

This is L-1.

I want to ask people not to hammer if GWu has any chance to show up, but that is up to your discretion, and I'm not opposed to hammering this slot.

[Menalque]

Please move your vote to Wu instead maduisha

Skitt has already said she’s willing to compromise there which means the slot is at de facto L-1 with your vote on it too and id rather do wu > Mara at this point

[Maduisha]

Do you disagree on giving him a last chance to explain himself? I thought maybe unvoting him would get him off of the troll mood if he's town by showing him that the lynch is not set in stone.

[Datisi]

he gets that last chance while being on L-1.

[Maduisha]

Hm, alright. I thought about it in terms of pressure levels maybe changing his approach to the situation, since he seems a bit immature.

VOTE: GeneralWu

[Menalque]

lol maduisha is so town

[Menalque]

Maduisha I am going to be devastated if you’re ever scum this game

[Menalque]

But also p impressed

[Datisi]

Maduisha I am going to be devastated if you’re ever scum this game

please stop saying shit like this

like fpr the sake of my sanity

[Datisi]

also, whoever isn't voting on those two, you should probably

we don't have too much time on the clock

[Karnage]

I thought for sure the page would have turned over while I was "remote teaching"...

[Karnage]

...but instead I must show my lack of professionalism and do it myself