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Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:33 am

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VC 1.10
NDMath (2):
Luca Blight, Paragon
TheFuzzylogic99 (2):
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popsofctown (1):
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Churros (1):
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Not Voting:
, Aloratom, Firebringer, NDMath, eyestott

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.


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Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:26 am

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In post 1509, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1506, Blake Belladonna wrote:Luca Blight, how do you approach the game as either alignment?
As Town I try and stay grounded. As scum it depends on the game before me.
Humor me. What type of approach would you have as scum this game? If it depends on who your partners are, a few examples would also be nice. Thank you.
In post 1514, Churros wrote:Blake, I could settle on Fuzzy for today but what if I tell you I'm getting a deja-vu on your strong TR in Taly? Not budging?

Look at associatives between Fuzzy x Taly that I talked about. Not even a finger of self-doubt?
I will look at these later.
In post 1528, popsofctown wrote:@Blake, why did you replace in as Blake instead of Ankamius (or Alyssa the Lamb)? Are you even going to allow that question, I don't know.
It's a not-insubstantial question because she intentionally plays the account differently.
I'm kind of increasingly annoyed by the alting stuff. Getting confused Paragon's alt is a very notmafia reason to get scumread. I'm pretty sure it was largely a vehicle for confbias from 1 person who's getting replaced now. But like it's annoying. And part of me feels like concealing Paragon's main is like playing against wincon and I don't like it. I have never been in the position of being the only one who can identify an alt, I am really bad at it, there are certain reasons this time is different. I like the idea of metaless mafia and stuff and wish mafia had the playerbase of digital poker or something so pure anon mafia was real but the halfsies stuff stresses me out. This is maybe a weird time to bring up the rant cause Blake has been a different alt and deliberately altered play is fine and not the same thing, but it's that, the slot was originally Y'shtola and I feel duped because she did an effective job convincing me she wasn't an Ank and feeling duped is normally supposed to have a 1:1 correspondence with identifying a scum but that isn't necessarily the case which is ugh.
I replace as different identities based on what I believe the game would react the most favorably to, or which presentation I believe I am the most likely to make headway with.

Y'shtola Rhul is a heavily role played account that was designed to be my account for attempting to play a support role for the town while not taking the lead on the game myself as I tend to do on my other accounts. Blake is the account with the biggest contrast because people were not listening to what I was saying beyond the roleplay, so I judged that the bluntness from Blake would be the most likely to be listened to with this disadvantage rather than Alyssa the Lamb's sarcastic demeanor, Branson's cold hard logic, or Alacrity's overly sweet demeanor.

I make this judgment regardless of alignment every time a new alt of mine is revealed, and this specific decision would be the same regardless of my alignment in this game.
In post 1568, Aloratom wrote:
In post 1318, Yshtola Rhul wrote:
In post 1240, Aloratom wrote:
In post 1010, Yshtola Rhul wrote:When you look to identify play by Y'shtola Rhul, you can expect to find play by Y'shtola Rhul.
Can you explain what you mean here?
Signs that Y'shtola Rhul are playing are what you find when looking for signs that Y'shtola Rhul are playing.

It is self-evident, for the two are one and the same.
In post 1320, Yshtola Rhul wrote:
In post 1242, Aloratom wrote:
In post 1156, Yshtola Rhul wrote:Does a Sin Eater recognize a threat to their existence? Those who have much to lose from their peers view those peers in a different light than those who would act for a higher purpose. Awareness grows, as one misstep may make the difference between an encapsulating crescendo and the illusion of falling off a tightrope overwhelming you.

Warriors of Light need only save themselves by telling the truth and trusting those who listen will recognize it as such. For stories that cannot be disproven, this will never result in damnation, only salvation or an extension of the trial of the heart. Sin Eaters must consider that by their own mouth, their damnation may be assured. This pressure creates a difference in posture, their words less reflective of their heart, their stances based on survival rather than truth.

For this case, which prevails? The thoughts ring true relative to their past testimony, their stances the same, their uncertainty reflective of their absence. Why then, say you, would a Sin Eater return for such a small token of their continued thoughts continuing when such thoughts brought them ire before? It is preposterous, for a Sin Eater must convince the town with honeyed words and conceived pretense to cover their darkened thoughts. Such is not the case, for none as such is present.
You don' t like to initiate conversation, do you? I notice that you ask vague questions and talk about theory but you dance around specifics. Why should I not scum read you?
Listen well, for my words provide the wisdom you seek. You need only read beyond what is present to your eyes. Read with your heart.
In post 1556, Taly wrote:What's the scumread on here and we're >3 days to deadline so you should do something here...
Those posts don't answer my questions. She's been speaking in vagueries for the most part since we started and not playing the game near as I can tell.
The first quote was a rewording of the original point, which I had responded to popsofctown with for attempting to metaread me. She only found things that indicated that Y'shtola Rhul was playing, so I said the equivalent to "of course you will only find me playing, because that's all you looked for." It's self-evident because it had even been stated in this game already that my only completed game on that account was as a role that functioned similarly to the mafia, which I was removed from early on in the game.

The second quote is me telling you to read the post again and read what I'm saying beyond the roleplay. I have said quite a lot in this game, it just takes an extra step to find the meanings.

I've had reads, which I had made clear at several points throughout my ISO. I've had content, but it took me beating people over the head with it for people to realize it.

Taly made a pretty accurate analysis of what I've been saying throughout the game. That post is a good starting point.
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Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:20 am

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Will give this my attention tomorrow.
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Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:23 am

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Page 56 and 57:


I dislike Ame pursuing popsofctown-scum on the Conspire reasoning, it's such a stupid thing to lie about for popsofctown!scum. I believe her argument that if she believed she was addressing the same person in and , she wouldn't have specified "Paragon" in . Also, please use post-tags, people; it makes life so much easier!

Wiisp disliking Ame's push but putting popsofctown in the lynchpool anyway is strange, but makes a little more sense if Wiisp has Ame as his top townread and values her opinion more highly. The frustration and replace out is slighlty towny, I think. Ame making enemies unnecessarily was also towny.

To be continued (middle of page 58).
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Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:49 am

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I started working on this yesterday, so it doesn't necessarily take into account the most recent posts.

eyestott - T
Taly - T
Ame - T
Wiisp - null T
popsofctown - null T
Luca - null
churros - null
Paragon - null s
NDMath - s
TheFuzzylogic99 - s
Blake/Yshtola - s

I'm fairly sure about my top 2 (as much as you can be Day 1 I guess). I wish Ame hadn't repped out because her last reads list left a lot of questions to be answered. Wiisp has been pretty steady null Town, and I got the impression last night was frustrated Town. Pops may be more of a null than null Town -- she's cryptic. Luca's cryptic too, but he's a good (as in active) replacement for Rabid Schnauzer, and I expect we'll hear more from him. Churros/Taco I have no idea just because of the lack of content from that slot. I've progressed on Paragon some after the initial cons that he ran -- I still think the Conspire con is a huge mark against him -- but I will admit that overall he seems to be playing somewhat Townish. NDMath and Fuzzy have been scum reads for awhile now, although my progression on NDMath may be changing. Fuzzy just doesn't seem to improve on re-read. Blake/Yshtola is just not playing the game, giving puzzling what I think you can call reads (this was yesterday -- even given her most recent posts I don't know that I can give her the benefit of the doubt -- it feels kind of scummy for some reason to switch up midstream, but I could see arguments either way for it).

I don't really like to label people as null, but this day has been so long, and I've gone back and forth on so many, and there have been so many replacements. I almost feel like any reads list is going to be faulty just because of all the replacements, although theoretically it shouldn't matter because the slot is what the slot is. The play style is still going to change though. The replace outs are just frustrating, especially when we have something like two days left, and I don't want to ask for an extension because we've gone on so long already.
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Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:51 am

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In post 1576, Blake Belladonna wrote:The first quote was a rewording of the original point, which I had responded to popsofctown with for attempting to metaread me. She only found things that indicated that Y'shtola Rhul was playing, so I said the equivalent to "of course you will only find me playing, because that's all you looked for." It's self-evident because it had even been stated in this game already that my only completed game on that account was as a role that functioned similarly to the mafia, which I was removed from early on in the game.

The second quote is me telling you to read the post again and read what I'm saying beyond the roleplay. I have said quite a lot in this game, it just takes an extra step to find the meanings.

I've had reads, which I had made clear at several points throughout my ISO. I've had content, but it took me beating people over the head with it for people to realize it.

Taly made a pretty accurate analysis of what I've been saying throughout the game. That post is a good starting point.
I've got to think about this. I'm not sure right now how I feel about your slot. I'm really conflicted.
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Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:02 am

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In post 1535, nomnomnom wrote:
Mod notice
  • Firebringer replaces Ame.
I want to see you squirming to get scum read fire

I would classify this as a SS mission.
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Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:04 am

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In post 1550, eyestott wrote:I'm the resident idiot/universal townread :/
Why you've gotta to consistently post bad posts when I want to believe in my current solve

Don't be mean.
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Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:14 am

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In post 1528, popsofctown wrote:Churros can we lynch Math and go from there? Please
In post 1529, NDMath wrote:@pops If I flip scum what does that say about Taly? What if I flip town, what does that say about Taly?
In post 1531, popsofctown wrote:
In post 1529, NDMath wrote:@pops If I flip scum what does that say about Taly? What if I flip town, what does that say about Taly?
Don't know, don't care.
Don't know, don't care.
You preflip assoc people will never take me alive.
I just want to point out that pops is my spirit animal.

About joining you in Math, I'm gonna leave my vote for now in Fuzzy for competing wagons in D1 (I also feel like Fuzzy posting is a lot more forced than Math), but in my next check in around 48 hours, I'm hammering Math down if gamestate hasn't changed to either Taly or Fuzzy. (Yeah, I'm passing Taly for now, doesn't seem like we're lynching the slot in day 1 as much as I want to, but Fuzzy wagon looks slightly brighter).

Currently I think that the solve is ironically [Taly, Fuzzy, Math] with Math being the weakest read. I hope Math flipping scum will make people look at Taly.

VOTE: Fuzzy
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Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:28 am

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Ok I'll have fun with your post a bit Taly
In post 1561, Taly wrote:I really wanted to hear Churros out, but the fact that they dismissed my POV, voted me, and is just sitting there does not feel genuine, tbh.
Yeah, as town I love to chat out with my scum reads or keep repeating the same things every page to intentionally create slogfest/spamfests in the game.
Like, if you were town, are you going to throw out a readslist within less than hours of replacing-in
I had already literally read all game and said so multiple times. I threw a readlist so fast because I had already parsed my reads before repping in. Do anyone think this was said in good-faith? Hint it wasn't, it's just Taly filling sausages on her scum read on me to be long enough and look valid.
vote and push to hardwagon at suspected slot late-D1, and then not contribute?
What exactly would I "contribute" here other than talking about SRs which I have. More sausage to fill a empty case.
Churros has some valid points, but gamestate, tone, and behavior all push to scum. :/
Cute.
The problem? Town can play this way. And I really don't vibe with that.
Ah yes another "He might be town but I've a problem with his playstyle therefore it's ok"

That's literally the reason I began to SR you when you were pushing in Pops/Paragon as well. Before a wagon or flip or anything has come to fruition you're placing those lines trying to say that the burden isn't on you if you aren't correctly reading X player.

As someone that does that as scum and see other people doing it majorly as scum, that's very cute.
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Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:30 am

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In post 1579, Aloratom wrote:Churros/Taco I have no idea just because of the lack of content from that slot
Lack of content? What?

I've been posting, why not begin sorting me by there?
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Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:38 am

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In post 1581, Churros wrote:
In post 1535, nomnomnom wrote:
Mod notice
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I want to see you squirming to get scum read fire

I would classify this as a SS mission.
Wtf is my slot universally town read?

Because if so that’s bullshit

I work hard to try to get scumread and my previous person ruins all my fun!?!?!?!?
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:41 am

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In post 1586, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1581, Churros wrote:
In post 1535, nomnomnom wrote:
Mod notice
  • Firebringer replaces Ame.
I want to see you squirming to get scum read fire

I would classify this as a SS mission.
Wtf is my slot universally town read?

Because if so that’s bullshit

I work hard to try to get scumread and my previous person ruins all my fun!?!?!?!?
Look at the bright side, you've not replaced Eyesott or Paragon, although Paragon is apparently only a hard TR for me.
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Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:43 am

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To be fair, I've only ever played with Ame once before, and they were universally townread, and they were scum, sooooo...
Shame on a martyr claiming friends
From either perspective of &
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Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:43 am

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Quite frankly though, if you remove Eyesott interaction with pops, all of their other posts are kind of bad. Not a fan. But yeah that pops interaction was great.
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Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:45 am

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V/LA through Saturday/Sunday (weekend).


I might check it out early for random reasons but I'm planning on checking this game out in exactly 48 hours and 14 hours from this point, which would mean checking this on Monday around 6:30AM, with one hour or so from the deadline. I'm hammering any of [Fuzzy, Taly, Math] happily.

Before Taly on my ass for inactivity I want to explain that I promised myself that I would only play mafia games if I could take it casually and not stress myself over it. There's a recent completed game (where I was town as well) of mine where I confirm that I'm checking games each 48 hours.
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If I leave now I'm not checking out this game/the forum until after around 48 hours
, I would feel better finishing this now.
Casual playing rocks. Shame on you tryhards.

Gonna waste my weekend on Monster Hunter World. I'm afraid MHW is becoming to me what FFXV is to Ank.

I really dig action games.
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Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:35 am

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Ok it kept me bugging while doing other tasks therefore I came here to say before leaving

I liked Yshtola's vibe. I don't like Blake's vibe.

I would place the slot below Luca right now.
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Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:35 am

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Yes, I know they are the same person.
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Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:55 am

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Ok there's something else bugging me as well. I joined this game with a momentum from another game (Normal 2124) where I came in, explained my SR on FL and we swiftly lynched scum, which made me for some reason think that I would talk about Taly and everyone would go "oh wow, I see it" and we would lynch it, it would flip red, everyone would have a blast etc. That's not what happened though and due to multiple reasons I'm consistently losing gas on pushing directions. I wanna just casually drop comments and votes. Doing any more than that feels silly to me at the moment.

You could say that...I realized I wanted to be as great as Firebringer.
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Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:41 am

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In post 1587, Churros wrote:
In post 1586, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1581, Churros wrote:
In post 1535, nomnomnom wrote:
Mod notice
  • Firebringer replaces Ame.
I want to see you squirming to get scum read fire

I would classify this as a SS mission.
Wtf is my slot universally town read?

Because if so that’s bullshit

I work hard to try to get scumread and my previous person ruins all my fun!?!?!?!?
Look at the bright side, you've not replaced Eyesott or Paragon, although Paragon is apparently only a hard TR for me.
My Paragon TR is pretty sturdy
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:47 am

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In post 1593, Churros wrote:Ok there's something else bugging me as well. I joined this game with a momentum from another game (Normal 2124) where I came in, explained my SR on FL and we swiftly lynched scum, which made me for some reason think that I would talk about Taly and everyone would go "oh wow, I see it" and we would lynch it, it would flip red, everyone would have a blast etc. That's not what happened though and due to multiple reasons I'm consistently losing gas on pushing directions. I wanna just casually drop comments and votes. Doing any more than that feels silly to me at the moment.

You could say that...I realized I wanted to be as great as Firebringer.
As of now Blake is townreading Taly and I give a good bit of weight to that because I believe her to be above average at reads. She's also familiar with Taly. The biggest thing to watch out for is them being scum together.

VOTE: FuzzyLogic99
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:49 am

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The world where Blake is scum with Taly makes plenty of sense admittedly

fmpov Taly isn't really scumreading any scum, only scumreads I remember from him are Paragon and me, really.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:50 am

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I guess he's scumreading Mexican Food. Probably
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:59 am

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Lets make this a wagon. VOTE: Churros
Though I will switch to Fuzzy if it is needed.
Aloratom wrote:
In post 1524, NDMath wrote:Disagree on basic stuff like "what is protown?", "what is inherently scummy?", "when is wifom used?" and similar stuff which apply to all games and many situations in those games.
How would that change your read of me this game? Actually, how would you determine that to begin with? I don't think we've played together before have we?
That changed my read of you from scumlean to null, because I realized I was scumreading you for things I shouldn't be scumreading you for. I determined it from primarily , (specifically the part on jargon), and . In addition to a couple posts I had initially scumread you for.
I found myself disagreeing with some of your thoughts/actions which weren't opinions, and when that happens repeatedly it's generally not because of alignment.

@Luca, I'm not used to iso'ing so forgot that I had the ability to, but the string of townie posts from Tom I was referring to were on page 32 starting with .
What I really like about these posts is the confidence in their own play style when it's not being attacked. I don't see mafia defending why their play style is good when it's not being attacked or questioned, as that limits their options later.
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Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:31 pm

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In post 1593, Churros wrote:Ok there's something else bugging me as well. I joined this game with a momentum from another game (Normal 2124) where I came in, explained my SR on FL and we swiftly lynched scum, which made me for some reason think that I would talk about Taly and everyone would go "oh wow, I see it" and we would lynch it, it would flip red, everyone would have a blast etc. That's not what happened though and due to multiple reasons I'm consistently losing gas on pushing directions. I wanna just casually drop comments and votes. Doing any more than that feels silly to me at the moment.

You could say that...I realized I wanted to be as great as Firebringer.
I'm kind of mad this didn't happen.

I mean, not the red flip part because that's impossible. :( Hate to break it to you.

But tbh, I sympathize with you over not getting any fucking traction after 20+ posts of pushing/asking about wagoning/lynching me.

It's the type of shit I've faced all game.
In post 1595, popsofctown wrote:
In post 1593, Churros wrote:Ok there's something else bugging me as well. I joined this game with a momentum from another game (Normal 2124) where I came in, explained my SR on FL and we swiftly lynched scum, which made me for some reason think that I would talk about Taly and everyone would go "oh wow, I see it" and we would lynch it, it would flip red, everyone would have a blast etc. That's not what happened though and due to multiple reasons I'm consistently losing gas on pushing directions. I wanna just casually drop comments and votes. Doing any more than that feels silly to me at the moment.

You could say that...I realized I wanted to be as great as Firebringer.
popsofctown wrote:The world where Blake is scum with Taly makes plenty of sense admittedly

fmpov Taly isn't really scumreading any scum, only scumreads I remember from him are Paragon and me, really.
As of now Blake is townreading Taly and I give a good bit of weight to that because I believe her to be above average at reads. She's also familiar with Taly. The biggest thing to watch out for is them being scum together.

VOTE: FuzzyLogic99
Sorry,
Blake
and I are not this weak as scum, individually or together. Also, what was that thing you said about
"you preflip associative people won't take me"
? I'm feeling some deja-vu, here.

And I agree with you. I literally looked at the thread and I just couldn't find a definitive lynch or person I strongly scumread, at least not any scumreads I haven't already gone after and want to reevaluate.

I doubt I have time to finish every ISO. :/

So either, half my townreads are shitty and thus my solve, or my townreads all townread my correct scumreads which are incredibly muddled since half the plist wanted to drag this day out for as long as possible. IE, my nightmare.

:igmeou: I really want people to tell me why they still want
Fuzzy's
lynch after my ISO there.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
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