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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:37 pm

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In post 306, Titus wrote:EP, why do you just float on various forms of OMGUS? First Chronos now Egix.
I mean, it's pretty hard not to have a vote that looks OMGUSy vote when over half the playerlist has at least a light scimread on me. I will reiterate the reasons for my votes below.

I would like to note at the outset that your "question" here is really more of an attack, but I'll answer it anyway.
In addition, you didn't answer my questions to you in .


Chronos

My early interactions with Chronos were more reactionary to explain why I didn't vote STRQ. By , Chronos expressed that she no longer thought I was scum.

I didn't like because she dodged STRQ's question, and I didn't like because she announced her intent to lurk.
In post 94, EspressoPatronum wrote:@Chronos That's too defensive for my tastes.

When you were pushing me for my BSG vote reasoning, I worked with you to explain everything. By my reading, STQR was asking you to do something similar in explaining your reasoning. Instead of working through the questions, you got evasive and went on the attack.

I also dislike the timing of your intent to lurk, and you either missed or ignored my question at

VOTE: Chronos
While I did not find convincing of scum!STRQ, it helped answer a lot of my doubts on Chronos. She's now one of my townreads, and I found a lot of to be insightful. That leads me to Egix.

Egix

I stated my dislike of Egix's vote on me at . After reading , I agreed with Chronos that Egix's reasons was sus.

See below.
In post 48, Egix96 wrote:
In post 41, eyestott wrote:
In post 39, Chronos wrote:
In post 24, EspressoPatronum wrote:I was actually going to vote for the hydra, but I saw Ank's profile pic in there +
didn't want her to think I have a vendetta against her from TM20.


I picked BSG bcz I don't know what it stands for.
VOTE: EspressoPatronum
In post 40, Chronos wrote:No way a civilian thinks that much about his entrance and an rvs vote yada yada yeeeeee
Not a fan of that entrance. VOTE: Chronos
Nah, I think that 24 is clearly worse. I don't see why Patronum should be so concerned with (highlighted). To me it reads as scum not wanting to stick their foot in it.

VOTE: Patronum
As Chronos notes in , it doesn't make sense to assume that my answer in was 'scum not wanting to "stick [my] foot in it." I figured my answer would garner some heat, but I chose to answer thruthfully anyway.

Scum trying to avoid conflict would have just made up an excuse about the BSG vote and not mention STRQ at all.


Assuming you've made it to the end, can you take a look at for me?
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:47 pm

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In post 322, gobbledygook wrote:[...]
In post 245, EspressoPatronum wrote:Small favour to ask of the Raven head before it becomes an issue. Can you pay more attention to your tone?

Adorable's alignment and/or play is not an excuse to treat her poorly.
If Raven was Enter, the tone makes so much sense. Enter was Miss Lynch from Mainstream Mafia II.
Yeah, I think you're right. The eagle avatar matches Enter's.
In post 249, EspressoPatronum wrote:Scum
Titus

Egix
EP, why did you scumread Titus here? You had not publicly posted an opinion or really announced suspicion of Titus when you posted this list.
ali's comments at . When you compare my interactions with Chronos vs BP (or lacktherof re: the latter), Titus' strong scumread of me doesn't seem in good faith. I've added some of her progression on me below. Also check out my ISO and interactions with Chronos around posts 80-100ish, which are the reasons for my vote swap.
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In post 66, Titus wrote:
In post 61, eyestott wrote:Titus! Long time no play! Looking forward to playing with you!
Me too.
In post 65, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 60, Titus wrote:
In post 55, BP wrote:How is this on page 3 already?

VOTE: Cronos

I hate titans.
VOTE: BP

Hates the rate of the game, but doesn't vote the higher posters.
And 3 pages isn't even bad for a mini. ~50 posts in about 10 hours.
Join me?
In post 101, Titus wrote:
In post 100, Team STRQ wrote:"agency captured"
"page 4"

ok titus :P

-Q
Well, sounds like someone's scared. It's a fifty/fifty on the last two. My money's on EP and BP being teamed.
In post 140, Titus wrote:
In post 138, mastina wrote:
In post 116, Titus wrote:Mastina, can you join me on BP? I think you're wrong on Adorable but right on EP and BP.
Sorry, Titus, but I'm not budging from Adorable.
Have you played with Adorable?

I have, and never before in my career have I so strongly felt that the contrast between the Adorable I'm seeing now and the Adorable I saw before is due to a different alignment. Adorable this game is oozing obvscum, not to mention, radiating an entirely different aura than when I played with her before, where she was obvtown pretty much immediately.
If this is wrong or I die, you'll sheep me on EP/BP? I feel the same way about them on those two and they are in the bottom of your reads list. I don't have a strong feeling on Adorable but I'd rather not fight.

I feel even stronger based on EP's why me fry me fight/response to Chronos and trying to say there's not enough to support my partners read. The hydra getting all omgusy defensive of those two really doesn't sit well with me either.

I could go to the hydra but I'd rather work with you than against you.
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:50 pm

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Looking forward to eyestott's explanation of his plan.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:10 pm

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VOTE: eyestott
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:43 pm

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In post 322, gobbledygook wrote:Why did you vote STRQ here when you had been saying EP/BP was scum this entire time and had been trying to get Mastina to vote BP/EP?
Because my scumcore is EP and BP. My other guesses were your slot and mastina. I'm much weaker there. If I can't get my core, I'd rather use my vote to scumhunt the edges.
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:45 pm

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Gets prodded, moves vote to town

Consider my RS read weakened significantly.
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:45 am

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Hi EP :)

If you normally vote hydra, why didn’t you vote them in Mainstream Mafia or Coalition?
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 am

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I still have the last few pages to read. I think Mastina and Chronos are my top townreads.
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:18 am

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In post 330, Titus wrote:Gets prodded, moves vote to town

Consider my RS read weakened significantly.
I hadn't done a damn thing, and still haven't. Doubtful you had a read on me, and more doubtful that that vote (which was basically a prodge, but adding to a wagon because wagons are good) changed anything in your mind. That post was fake analysis.
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:32 am

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In post 329, Titus wrote:
In post 322, gobbledygook wrote:Why did you vote STRQ here when you had been saying EP/BP was scum this entire time and had been trying to get Mastina to vote BP/EP?
Because my scumcore is EP and BP. My other guesses were your slot and mastina. I'm much weaker there. If I can't get my core, I'd rather use my vote to scumhunt the edges.
Even though you said you wanted to work with Mastina?
In post 261, mastina wrote:Your play in this game actually looks a hell of a lot like your approach in that scumgame. You linked that in an attempt to clear your name but it actually is pretty damn condemning.
What is similar between her game here and the scum game she linked?

- I just want to give Adorable a hug. I think that post is fairly townie.
In post 288, alimdia wrote:Yes this wagon pls

VOTE: eyestott

As per his request, I will not mention the thing he told me not to mention, but I am voting him because of it.
Why would he as scum do The Thing he doesn't want you to mention, but repeatedly drawn your specific attention to The Thing he doesn't want you to mention?
In post 293, Sujimichi wrote:I am caught up. I believe mastina to be Town. I also believe Team STRQ to be Town though with a lesser degree of confidence.
Why do you think Mastina is town?
In post 298, Churros wrote:Adorable/Chronos, give eyesott ISO a glance.
Not interested?
I've really not a grasp of the game and skipped around 60% of the posts in my skim, but I feel good about my SR on him regardless of anything else.
Why did you ask this random question?
In post 300, eyestott wrote:Full outline coming soon as I’m about to go to the tip, but the tldr is that I am the Role Flavorer (well, Flavourer) and I’ve been seeding this information to specific people to see how they reacted.
What reactions were you looking for?
How does your Role work? Do you give people random flavor as the day goes on, or did you give everyone flavor before the game started?
In post 303, alimdia wrote:That is.... not what I thought you were doing.
What did you think he was doing?

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Why did you ignore my "Really" question towards your RVS explanation? I pointed out that you did not vote the hydra as your first vote in that game. In fact, you even quoted a post a hydra wrote, but then decided to sheep them.
Also, you did not start the game with a vote on any of the hydrae in coaLITion.

Why is this the first I am hearing of your dislike for hydra and your policy votes against them?
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:35 am

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Town Core: Activate!

- Chronos
- Churros
- Mastina
- Sujimichi

Obliterate


Scum Core:
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:16 am

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@gobble - my dislike for hydras developed in the william tatney game. Post 118 of that game is where I decided it.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Regarding the specific games you mentioned:

I didn't realize they were hydras until well after RVS. I don't think I ever mentioned a hydra in MM2. In CoaLITion, I talk about my dislike for hydras in post 138 in
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:19 am

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In post 333, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
In post 330, Titus wrote:Gets prodded, moves vote to town

Consider my RS read weakened significantly.
I hadn't done a damn thing, and still haven't. Doubtful you had a read on me, and more doubtful that that vote (which was basically a prodge, but adding to a wagon because wagons are good) changed anything in your mind. That post was fake analysis.
Good point.

@Titus - can you give us a complete reads list?
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:23 am

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In post 336, EspressoPatronum wrote:@gobble - my dislike for hydras developed in the william tatney game. Post 118 of that game is where I decided it.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Regarding the specific games you mentioned:

I didn't realize they were hydras until well after RVS. I don't think I ever mentioned a hydra in MM2. In CoaLITion, I talk about my dislike for hydras in post 138 in
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
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Those don't really seem to support the position you took in this game.
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:25 am

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In post 338, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 336, EspressoPatronum wrote:@gobble - my dislike for hydras developed in the william tatney game. Post 118 of that game is where I decided it.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Regarding the specific games you mentioned:

I didn't realize they were hydras until well after RVS. I don't think I ever mentioned a hydra in MM2. In CoaLITion, I talk about my dislike for hydras in post 138 in
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
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Those don't really seem to support the position you took in this game.
How so?
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:47 am

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In post 335, gobbledygook wrote:Rabid Schnauzer
WTF is this based on? More fake reads.
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:48 am

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Subject: micro 886: mbos6 william tatney. game ogre
EspressoPatronum wrote:I kinda want to policy Doc H because the hydra shenanigans are going to be a pain.

Icing on the cake that others think Doc H is scummy.
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Subject: Micro 887: the coaLITion [game over]
EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote: [...]
RC reads was talked about earlier and it’s based on NSG actually posting.
I was hoping you'd have a bit more to substantiate the read at this point, as scum!nsg could very easily post more. What's your read on the RC head*?

*Note - I find it hard to read hydras. Is it better practice to split the read by head and consolidate later, or approach the read in a holistic manner from the outset?
coaLITion

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In post 24, EspressoPatronum wrote:I was actually going to vote for the hydra, but I saw Ank's profile pic in there + didn't want her to think I have a vendetta against her from TM20.

I picked BSG bcz I don't know what it stands for.
In post 69, EspressoPatronum wrote:Ahhh, I think I see the issue here. My hydra votes are not rvs, they're policy votes. I intentionally vote hydras because I dislike playing with them + they make it hard to sort their respective slots.

After choosing to not policy vote the hydra, I RVS voted BSG.
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I am specifically referring to the fact that you vote hydrae based on policy. Those two posts from those other games do not support your contention that you vote them based on policy when it seems like you actually have not yet voted a hydra based on policy.
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:52 am

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In post 340, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
In post 335, gobbledygook wrote:Rabid Schnauzer
WTF is this based on? More fake reads.
I have previously caught you!scum based on your activity levels. See below.


Subject: Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]
gobbledygook wrote:Like, what happened to your Philammon (Rick Dalton) scum read?

At the end of yesterDay, he was your second strongest scum read behind Thespio. You have completely ignored that slot toDay. Are you still scum reading him, are you not scum reading him? Why haven't you said anything about him, to him, or generally tried to even sort him?

I went through your posts to see what your activity flow has been and it is pretty weird. There is a marked decrease ebb and flow pattern to it. You post a lot then will mostly disappear for a day or so and then post a lot and then go back to lurking. It looks and more importantly
feels
like you're just trying to show your face rather than contribute.

I even did a quick chart to show it since you don't have very many posts.

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Y axis is the number of posts, X axis is the days. It isn't perfect, but I've included the data below so you can verify for yourself. I included the 1 post you had on the 4th.

Spoiler: Data
July 18 -- 9 posts
July 19 -- 2 posts
July 20 -- 14 posts
July 21 -- 3 posts
July 22 -- 1 post
July 23 -- 0 posts
July 24 -- 9 posts
July 25 -- 3 posts
July 26 -- 2 posts
July 27 to 29 Night
July 30 -- 7 posts
Aug 1 -- 1 post
Aug 1 to 4 VLA (you did have 1 post promising content on Aug 4)
August 5 -- 0 posts
August 6 -- 12 posts

If anyone in this game has a reason for their current Rabid Schnauzer read, it is me. ;)
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:05 am

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Okay, so explain the Suji read then.
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:07 am

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In post 341, gobbledygook wrote:
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Subject: micro 886: mbos6 william tatney. game ogre
EspressoPatronum wrote:I kinda want to policy Doc H because the hydra shenanigans are going to be a pain.

Icing on the cake that others think Doc H is scummy.
MBOS William Tatney


Subject: Micro 887: the coaLITion [game over]
EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote: [...]
RC reads was talked about earlier and it’s based on NSG actually posting.
I was hoping you'd have a bit more to substantiate the read at this point, as scum!nsg could very easily post more. What's your read on the RC head*?

*Note - I find it hard to read hydras. Is it better practice to split the read by head and consolidate later, or approach the read in a holistic manner from the outset?
coaLITion

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In post 24, EspressoPatronum wrote:I was actually going to vote for the hydra, but I saw Ank's profile pic in there + didn't want her to think I have a vendetta against her from TM20.

I picked BSG bcz I don't know what it stands for.
In post 69, EspressoPatronum wrote:Ahhh, I think I see the issue here. My hydra votes are not rvs, they're policy votes. I intentionally vote hydras because I dislike playing with them + they make it hard to sort their respective slots.

After choosing to not policy vote the hydra, I RVS voted BSG.
Fairly special

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I am specifically referring to the fact that you vote hydrae based on policy. Those two posts from those other games do not support your contention that you vote them based on policy when it seems like you actually have not yet voted a hydra based on policy.
Ahh, I see. I could have sworn I've done a hydra policy vote, but I can't find one in any of my other games either.

Perhaps it would be better to say that I frequently consider voting hydras based on policy. I don't like playing with them and try to avoid games with them when possible.

I'd point to this game as an example, but I didn't vote STRQ here either, lol. I'll put it in the list of 'cases where EP has voiced dislike for hydras.'

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At the end of the day, ask yourself this -- what does scum!EP gain from getting into this mess about my first vote? I could have just gave a lame rvs explanation for BSG without any extra reasons.

You
specifically should know how careful I am when I'm concealing information bcz of our time in the MM2 mason group.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:10 am

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VC 1.8eyestott (4) - gobbledygook, alimdia, Churros, Rabid Schnauzer
gobbledygook (2) - Adorable, Titus
Egix96 (2) - Chronos, EspressoPatronum
Adorable (2) - mastina, eyestott
Chronos (1) - BP
EspressoPatronum (1) - Egix96

Not voting: Sujimichi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-04-03 22:45:00) or when a lynch is reached.

mastina is V/LA until March 31, 2020
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:15 am

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In post 344, EspressoPatronum wrote:
At the end of the day, ask yourself this -- what does scum!EP gain from getting into this mess about my first vote? I could have just gave a lame rvs explanation for BSG without any extra reasons.


You specifically should know how careful I am when I'm concealing information bcz of our time in the MM2 mason group.
This is the question I have been asking myself since Cronos brought it up. I have a couple of answers. My first answer is that you felt compelled to add something to your RVS vote. I don't know why you would feel compelled to add something to your RVS vote, let alone that. My second (and final) answer is that you did not think about it and just posted it and now you're backing away from it under the veil of WIFOM.
:lol:

I do know this about you. However, at this point in the game, I would not know what information you are trying to conceal.


Why were you not more explicit with your reasoning for scumreading Titus? You only explained after I questioned why she appeared on your scumlist.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:31 am

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In post 346, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 344, EspressoPatronum wrote:
At the end of the day, ask yourself this -- what does scum!EP gain from getting into this mess about my first vote? I could have just gave a lame rvs explanation for BSG without any extra reasons.


You specifically should know how careful I am when I'm concealing information bcz of our time in the MM2 mason group.
This is the question I have been asking myself since Cronos brought it up. I have a couple of answers. My first answer is that you felt compelled to add something to your RVS vote. I don't know why you would feel compelled to add something to your RVS vote, let alone that.
My second (and final) answer is that you did not think about it and just posted it and now you're backing away from it under the veil of WIFOM
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:lol:
You're right about the second part. I didn't give it much thought. My whole point in saying the blue part above is that you know I would have given it more thought if I was trying to stay under the radar.

Yes it's WIFOMy, but you're uniquely suited in this game to make an informed guess on what I would/would not do.
I do know this about you. However, at this point in the game, I would not know what information you are trying to conceal.
If you think I'm scum, then I would be trying to conceal that I am scum.
Why were you not more explicit with your reasoning for scumreading Titus? You only explained after I questioned why she appeared on your scumlist.
I gave very little explanation for any of the reads because:
In post 249, EspressoPatronum wrote:[...]
Happy to discuss reads when I'm back in later.
This is what we're doing now. You'll note that in my answer to you at that I answered based on my read at the time of the list. I didn't include her evasiveness to my questions or her attacks masquerading as questions.

Are you asking about Titus because you also scumread her? Why not ask about the townreads, too?
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:56 am

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In post 347, EspressoPatronum wrote:If you think I'm scum, then I would be trying to conceal that I am scum.
True, but you would not not do something (read: you would do something) you thought concealed you as scum. ;) It is possible that another explanation for the random comment about STRQ and policy is that you fully believed it to be your town meta to do such a thing. This is further supported by the fact that you admit you thought you policy voted a hydra in another game.
In post 344, EspressoPatronum wrote:Ahh, I see. I could have sworn I've done a hydra policy vote, but I can't find one in any of my other games either.
It is possible that you were aware of that meta and thought detracting from that meta needed an explanation. You just happened to be wrong about your own meta. :P
In post 347, EspressoPatronum wrote:Are you asking about Titus because you also scumread her? Why not ask about the townreads, too?
I have a This Game answer and a Not This Game answer to this question.
This Game Answer: I think it is interesting that you both scumread one another.
Not This Game Answer: I think it is easier to find scum by looking at their scumhunting, not their townhunting.
Addendum to the Not This Game: Scum are going to be necessarily correct when they call townies town. Probing a scum's mind for correctly townreading a townie seems like an exercise fit for a Lovecraft punishment.

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In post 293, Sujimichi wrote:I am caught up. I believe mastina to be Town. I also believe Team STRQ to be Town though with a lesser degree of confidence.
I do not think that a replacement comes into the game and townreads one of the top wagons as one of their only reads.
In post 319, Sujimichi wrote:Hello, gobbledygook! You are replacing a slot that I had a light Townread on, so I am looking forward to your views on the game.
Furthermore, I do not think scum Sujimichi reaches out to me specifically here. I cannot substantiate this feeling, but it is something that I do believe.

Now, I have a question for you, Egix.
Why did you ask me about Sujimichi, but not ask Sujimichi about his reads or opinions?
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:14 am

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In post 348, gobbledygook wrote:Now, I have a question for you, Egix.
Why did you ask me about Sujimichi, but not ask Sujimichi about his reads or opinions?
It stuck out to me like a sore thumb that you were townreading Suji for what I regarded as three NAI posts, and why would I question Suji's townreads when they were similar to my own?
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