Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

[nomnomnom]

No I'm just frustrated and I think luca is being abused for his confbias by scum
my first thought is that you had someone to do with that because I seriously don't trust you

What's your read on furret?

[skitter30]

Both these votes are extremely bad is my point
once again, I think Ald comes off as 100x more scummy than Quag here
The coasting is real

no? you seem to be just making declaritive statements and expecting everyone else to accept them as true, and refusing to quantify or explain further when people ask you to

like it seems like it's more convenient for you to think ald is scummy, so you're saying that, but you can't explain why or give me a give reason to see this

[nomnomnom]

how is it more convenient to think Ald is scummy when I could have put Quag at L-1 if I wanted to?????

[skitter30]

It's not his vote in particular it's his entire ISO
he's literally letting the game coast while the gamestate devolves into a QuagvMe situation whereas quag has been involved in the discussion and other slots have been involved in the discussion as well
from the gamestate alone Ald looks scum as hell here
Please just go look at his ISO and tell me how this is town

this is retrospective,
like you came up with your position
later the quagvyou situation happened
and then you used that to justify a position you held in the past

[skitter30]

this gamestate is literally "vote quags or die" right now, and that feels horrible

this is how you know scum have been pushing me ^ the majority seems way too complacent to my lynch which means there's a good chance of at least one scum in {luca, skitter, furret} with an outside chance of one in {aldus, chemist}. i'm beginning to think scum lies in the places where i have no reads whatsoever so i feel reasonably confident saying at least one of {skitter, furret} is scum.

looker's play still sucks, maybe it could come from town. there's also a chance that luca's claim is fake or it is simply a scum role, but that's something that can be figured out later.

this is the exact opposite of a gamestate where scum are complacent wrt your lynch
the game became *more* conflict-y once you got run up

[skitter30]

This really is s/s.

yep this is how i play with scum!noms, you got me.

like noms is obvtown and i fail to see how you don't see that. scum noms has no reason to resist my wagon this hard unless she is scum with me (which she isn't, because i know i'm town). if i need to flip for people to see that and for people to consider other options such as aldus, skitter and furret then fine.

from my pov you look svs tho
it's not helpful to me to give an argument that is only true from your pov

[skitter30]

No I'm just frustrated and I think luca is being abused for his confbias by scum
my first thought is that you had someone to do with that because I seriously don't trust you

What's your read on furret?

i mean so am i the scum that is abusing luca's confbias?
i don't get what that has to do with the chainlynching quag into you thing

furret is weakly town
mostly for having a similar pov as me before i got here
i wouldn't lynch em today

[skitter30]

how is it more convenient to think Ald is scummy when I could have put Quag at L-1 if I wanted to?????

because at this point you've thrown in your lot with quag and it would look p awful if you dropped it so you gotta find alternative lynch options

[nomnomnom]

or maybe I just realized what kind of gamestate I've been thrown in and I refuse to play in it
Just maybe

[skitter30]

:shrug:
i do'nt like the alternative lynch options you're presenting me with, i'm p happy with my vote for now
i'd switch to quag too but that's basically who i see myself lynching today

[nomnomnom]

Basically proving my point

[Looker]

Because there's a world where what quag is posting comes from town
I can't say the same for Ald, it's all vague minimal posting, way more chances this comes from scum than town

This is NAI, but it's posts like these that make it hard for me to get into D1. It's all subjective. What's that supposed to mean, "there's a world where..."? Has he avoided answering pointed questions you've asked him or do you just not like the way he plays/his posting style?

this is why i feel distrustful of the quags wagon in the first place
this whole thing makes me feel there's scum involvement in there and if there's one person in this whole thing that does that, it's skitt
do you get what I'm saying here? I feel like I'm getting played

Would you find it ironic or suspicious that the Quagsire wagon dissolved so rapidly in favor of your own?

I remember the time when I used to have quotes of what people said about me in their sigs

Me, too, but I had to remove the profanity and racial slurs, so it just ended up blank.

looker's play still sucks

I beg your pardon? Can you explain why objectively and without bias?

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• Are nom and quag partners?

[Quagsire]

this gamestate is literally "vote quags or die" right now, and that feels horrible

this is how you know scum have been pushing me ^ the majority seems way too complacent to my lynch which means there's a good chance of at least one scum in {luca, skitter, furret} with an outside chance of one in {aldus, chemist}. i'm beginning to think scum lies in the places where i have no reads whatsoever so i feel reasonably confident saying at least one of {skitter, furret} is scum.

looker's play still sucks, maybe it could come from town. there's also a chance that luca's claim is fake or it is simply a scum role, but that's something that can be figured out later.

this is the exact opposite of a gamestate where scum are complacent wrt your lynch
the game became *more* conflict-y once you got run up

the game got conflict-y because of noms resisting my wagon and the noms vs. luca situation. nearly everyone was scumreading me up until that point so i have no doubt that a lynch on me goes through easily if noms doesn't resist my wagon.

[Quagsire]

This really is s/s.

yep this is how i play with scum!noms, you got me.

like noms is obvtown and i fail to see how you don't see that. scum noms has no reason to resist my wagon this hard unless she is scum with me (which she isn't, because i know i'm town). if i need to flip for people to see that and for people to consider other options such as aldus, skitter and furret then fine.

from my pov you look svs tho
it's not helpful to me to give an argument that is only true from your pov

ok, fair enough, i'm the only one who knows my alignment for sure except for scum.

assume i flip town, then what?

[Quagsire]

looker's play still sucks

I beg your pardon? Can you explain why objectively and without bias?

i have explained this, you're not pushing your scumreads, you're making a bunch of random votes that don't actually reflect how you feel (or claim to feel)

like it's not even about the fact that you scumread me, it's about how you play around your scumreads that's concerning.

[GeorgeBailey]

Are nom and quag partners?

I really don't think so. With so many people locked into their vote, dying on a Townread hill is too risky.

I think it's one or the other.

[nomnomnom]

Are nom and quag partners?

I really don't think so. With so many people locked into their vote, dying on a Townread hill is too risky.

I think it's one or the other.

I think I know what you're implying with this post and just
I just feel like quag really isn't scum at this point

[Alduskkel]

I’m definitely leaning town on Looker based on forthright nature of her posting.

It could be ballsy scum, but it’s completely at odds with the scum meta I have on her.

What’s the scum meta you have on her?

I linked the game earlier where there was a town Neap + neighborhood including scum. Looker was that scum.

I agree that Looker's play in that game was very different from this game. But I'm not convinced it's related to Looker's alignment, but rather that they had a lot less time to commit to that other game than this one.

VOTE: Alduskkel

Oh Jesus, clerical error

VOTE: Quagsire

How did this happen lol

Ok reading/rereading it's really noticeable how suddenly Quag (posts 792, 794, 809) has been setting up for a pivot onto lynching me today, and nom meanwhile has maintained a suspicion on both me and Quag while always favoring me over Quag. To me that looks like they're potentially coordinating (daychat?) scum partners who want me lynched Day 1 since I'm one of the few "lynchable" players left other than them (and Looker). If this is literally what's going on I want a post-game cookie from Datisi.

Personally I prefer a Quag lynch because
1) I still have a (admittedly waning) town read on nom
2) skitter is a better scumhunter than me and also favors Quag over nom
3) The way Quag wanders onto wagons (Luca, Looker) at opportune times is suspicious

VOTE: Quagsire

@skitter: Can I get your opinion on Looker's vote on Luca after Luca claimed? Also, what'd you get out of my answer to your question here?

well it wasn't the fact that he wanted l-1's it's more the fact that he was provoking a lolhammer/indicated he was fine with that happening

hey how much (recent) mafia experience do you have?

I took a long break, but I've completed 3 town games recently + some marathon games.

This post is probably going to feel a bit disjointed, but for the record I'm trying to figure out if my Looker scumread is wrong by talking to other players who townread them.

[nomnomnom]

the fact that the majority of players have said that they think quag/me are partners on d1 without any kind of flip is extremely concerning
Ald please talk about your other reads

[Alduskkel]

Luca: not lynching today for obvious reasons
skitter, Captain, Chemist: town
George: null
nom: townreading but feeling doubtful
Looker: scumreading but feeling doubtful
Quag: scumreading

[nomnomnom]

Are you that sure on your captain and skitter reads
they seem like they've been swinging with the gamestate around luca confbiasing so I'm getting incredibly distrustful
they've been pushing this quag/me partner thing too and been forcing a gamestate where we're the top 2 wagons and people swung on me because I refused to put quag on L-1
What's your take on all this? I'm still trying to sort you

[Luca Blight]

My vote is still fixed on Nom.

[Alduskkel]

Captain seemed pretty town when we were discussing Looker and Quagsire, even if we didn't end up fully agreeing. Like, I felt there was a genuine attempt at sorting me + trying to explain their reads. Skitter has had good takes on the game and I don't really see a scum agenda behind her posts. Also, lynching a town-Skitter on Day 1 would be really bad for town if her reputation is anything to go by.

I'm also more confident in the accuracy of my townreads than my scumreads.

[Alduskkel]

Luca, why do you think a town-Looker voted you after you claimed?

[Luca Blight]

I don’t know, that’s the one thing that throws me off about that slot, but everything else seems relatively townie.