Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[Something_Smart]

Okay I've decided I need to do some reading to get my head more in the game. I'll see if I have time to do that today.

Also, I just realized I was voting. UNVOTE:

[Taly]

Trust me on my Churros TR for today.

I’m interested in your updated thoughts on Math.

I'll get to it when I finish a lab report, a lab quiz, and finish DND session with brother.

also if there's more than 1 scum in

{Fuzzy/NDMath/Churros}

then RIP my sanity because also if

Pops/Paragon

were just TvTs then I got interaction and read problems in about every angles of this game.

[popsofctown]

Pushing Blake for not having multiple scumreads seems meh. The town players have been active this game, and it's not like she didn't sort the players at all, she had an ordering.

[popsofctown]

How come Blake plays town against other people's scumgames and then hard townreads them whenever they roll town henceforth
but she doesn't do that to me
she hates me
I knew it

[popsofctown]

I will seriouspost later today
maybe

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I swear that if Pops does not flip scum I will be surprised. She so opportunistic and the fact that people do not see it is frustrating. If I am lynched today then they need to be lynched tomorrow. They need to be burned with fire!!!!!! At this point, I am sure I will be lynched. Please Please Please lynch to them tomorrow. They need to die.

Town leaning

Firebringer

-Town Via Ame

Tally-

So I read their ISo as I promised. I like Tally's posts. She asking questions, pushing back on things that they consider questionable
ATM I can't see them as scum.TBF I am a bit worried that they might be scum white knighting and I might be town reading them bc they are easily jumping on my wagon however this is prob me being paranoid

Unsure

Blake

- I can of see why they are voting me though I think the reasoning is a bit weak.

Something Specia

l There is nothing there to work with atm. Like to see a little bit more from them

Aloratom

- I dont like #253 as it seems like he is really trying to stretch Paragons crime to make a case. He misreps some of the
claims Paragon is making. #772 really sounds like a townie who is trying to read the game but is confused by the all the sideshows going on. #955 I dont understand if you really thought someone is scum , why you not push harder instead of quitting for a better wagon/
#1235 Why????????? Yeah they seem all over the map for me

Scum leaning

Churro-

- Blake has yet to confirm that they are mason together and the fact there was a vote on them kinda proof they are no. Tacos claim seem very much like a way to make players think he was town without doing much work. There is nothing about Churro I am liking atm. #1213 could be just lazy town, however, it could just be a way for them as scum not to explain their vote making them harder to read. The only reason that she is scum reading Tally as far as I can tell is that Tally is defending me as town. There is nothing town here

Scum

Pops

more reads coming later

[TheFuzzylogic99]

#1654 or we can save you the time and lynch you.

[Firebringer]

the more people calling me town the less I want to play.

or get engaged.

[popsofctown]

You've been way scummier than your predecessor

[popsofctown]

I like your sig

[popsofctown]

I just can't be this terrible with reads this game, guys.

Either you're terrible with reads, or I am, or you're mafia. Is it the third one?

[Taly]

I just can't be this terrible with reads this game, guys.

Either you're terrible with reads, or I am, or you're mafia. Is it the third one?

No, it's not. I'd have better reads as mafia by now, or at least more of the plist would think so.

Are you mafia?

[popsofctown]

I reread the last page. I am so sleepy. Most of Blake makes plenty of sense but her reason for townreading Taly is way too perfectly aligned with like a fake way to townread him if she needed to. I'm pretty paranoid there. Churros agrees with me that Taly seems scummy and Churros seems smart. Also, he gave me a churro. It was a touching act of kindness. Also if Churro matches my bad altguess than he's rly smart. I'm going to stop looking for evidence for or against and just play makebelieve. Also start willfully ignoring the reasons against.

With less than 24 hours left

Fuzzy needs to claim

. Although I'm not as familiar with Fuzzy's meta as I might wish I think there are posts that don't exist in the thread that would exist if he were town, there are so many things that happened in the game that it didn't strike him to comment upon.

NDMath and Fuzzy are really close for me. I think it's very slightly more likely Fuzzy flips red.

[popsofctown]

I just can't be this terrible with reads this game, guys.

Either you're terrible with reads, or I am, or you're mafia. Is it the third one?

No, it's not. I'd have better reads as mafia by now, or at least more of the plist would think so.

Are you mafia?

Sounds like you play mafia different from how I do.
I am not mafia.

[Blake Belladonna]

I swear I see the same people talking every page, with some random pop ins,
Logically speaking there is likely to be 0-1 wolves in that grouping and probably no more

Don't quote me on that

Also again, sorry for my lackluster play
I keep telling myself I'll read but then I don't
I am still reading in real time though, so I will notice posts towards me, just haven't really back read

So, what I gathered from your part about Churros:
- You think Churros is an alt and by that potential person's approach, they're likely not town for pushing me?
- What's this significant error?

Correct.

The error in that instance is that I'm aware enough of his process of gathering reads to know that his scumread of you would not be genuine.

who am I not scum with at this point?

Oh, and why not Churros as a potential person for a combo here? Did I misread your post about him?

I never said you were scum with anybody. My point was that I can understand the mindset of holding that opinion more easily due to your Fuzzy towncase.

How come Blake plays town against other people's scumgames and then hard townreads them whenever they roll town henceforth
but she doesn't do that to me
she hates me
I knew it

I have no strong read of your play and how it would differ from alignment to alignment. The players I tend to have this level of confidence on after only one or two games are those that I can get a fairly good grasp on playstyle-wise, and it's easier to judge playstyle changes against that backdrop.

You are a player I haven't managed to get a good handle on, therefore I don't trust my judgment on how your playstyle shifts across different situations. It's likely a tonal thing.

I reread the last page. I am so sleepy. Most of Blake makes plenty of sense but her reason for townreading Taly is way too perfectly aligned with like a fake way to townread him if she needed to. I'm pretty paranoid there. Churros agrees with me that Taly seems scummy and Churros seems smart. Also, he gave me a churro. It was a touching act of kindness. Also if Churro matches my bad altguess than he's rly smart. I'm going to stop looking for evidence for or against and just play makebelieve. Also start willfully ignoring the reasons against.

With less than 24 hours left

Fuzzy needs to claim

. Although I'm not as familiar with Fuzzy's meta as I might wish I think there are posts that don't exist in the thread that would exist if he were town, there are so many things that happened in the game that it didn't strike him to comment upon.

NDMath and Fuzzy are really close for me. I think it's very slightly more likely Fuzzy flips red.

I don't remember any direct examples offhand, but I know I've made this type of argument before in the past. This is commonly how I attempt to read players who post like a logical player, yet are tonally emotional.

[Taly]

Pops

I'm trying to see you in a world where you're town and I don't think I'm receiving the same approach.

Most posts you have that mentions me is based on finding flaws with someone townreading me or finding reasons why I'm scum.

And you saying that I play mafia differently than you isn't solid reasoning to keep up this mentality.

I thought I was slighting you by my approach to you and I found your consistent attention to this slot - that's not overtly pushing a scumread but actually one of the few people who consistently replies to my posts - as towny.

But my fear lies in the idea that you do this to create distance, so it's easier for you to say

"Taly is probably scum w X"

without my resistance. I thought you said you didn't want to acknowledge preflip associatives

(to refute

NDMath's

inquiry to my alignment in relation to his)

but you just made a post on why I make sense as scum with

Blake

.

It feels disingenuous, and I'm not scumpainting that, I'm trying to understand why.

[Taly]

blake

, I agree with 1080 to come from town.

What do you think of my assessment of it in 1117?

Correct.

The error in that instance is that I'm aware enough of his process of gathering reads to know that his scumread of you would not be genuine.

What prevents you from joining

Churros'

lynch?

[Blake Belladonna]

I swear that if Pops does not flip scum I will be surprised. She so opportunistic and the fact that people do not see it is frustrating. If I am lynched today then they need to be lynched tomorrow. They need to be burned with fire!!!!!! At this point, I am sure I will be lynched. Please Please Please lynch to them tomorrow. They need to die.

Town leaning

Firebringer

-Town Via Ame

Tally-

So I read their ISo as I promised. I like Tally's posts. She asking questions, pushing back on things that they consider questionable
ATM I can't see them as scum.TBF I am a bit worried that they might be scum white knighting and I might be town reading them bc they are easily jumping on my wagon however this is prob me being paranoid

Unsure

Blake

- I can of see why they are voting me though I think the reasoning is a bit weak.

Something Specia

l There is nothing there to work with atm. Like to see a little bit more from them

Aloratom

- I dont like #253 as it seems like he is really trying to stretch Paragons crime to make a case. He misreps some of the
claims Paragon is making. #772 really sounds like a townie who is trying to read the game but is confused by the all the sideshows going on. #955 I dont understand if you really thought someone is scum , why you not push harder instead of quitting for a better wagon/
#1235 Why????????? Yeah they seem all over the map for me

Scum leaning

Churro-

- Blake has yet to confirm that they are mason together and the fact there was a vote on them kinda proof they are no. Tacos claim seem very much like a way to make players think he was town without doing much work. There is nothing about Churro I am liking atm. #1213 could be just lazy town, however, it could just be a way for them as scum not to explain their vote making them harder to read. The only reason that she is scum reading Tally as far as I can tell is that Tally is defending me as town. There is nothing town here

Scum

Pops

more reads coming later

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Pop
Not claiming till I am l-1.


Post #1662- you know how bad this sound right?

[Blake Belladonna]

blake

, I agree with 1080 to come from town.

What do you think of my assessment of it in 1117?

Correct.

The error in that instance is that I'm aware enough of his process of gathering reads to know that his scumread of you would not be genuine.

What prevents you from joining

Churros'

lynch?

You are overanalyzing. If you introduce too many assumptions to your analysis, you are more likely to lead yourself down an incorrect path.

I am less willing to join Churros' lynch for two reasons. First, my scumread is dependent on whether I am accurately reading their main account. Second, I recently have begun to understand more of where he's coming from behind his suspicions.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Either Pops or Churro needs to die tomorrow ... I am 99.9 percent sure Pops will flip scum so she should be the first one after I flip green

[popsofctown]

I'm paranoid of Blake because she's a really strong player. I'm still not entirely convinced she posted in my scum PT in apocalypse, it seems hard to believe.
To sort her correctly I want to try to pick at and guess at whether each of her reads are correct, or mistaken for reasons she genuinely believes that I can be confident she genuinely believes
For a high volume poster that becomes more important because that's the slot where her reads should trend the farthest away from rand
My last post was about Blake faking a townread on you, not about whether you're scum, it could definitely be a TMI.
I don't see why this is necessarily about you. Why is everything about you, Taly? You're getting a little myopic sometimes. Also you're no longer a cute Wooper and are only showing one eye so you are also cyclopic.

@Blake : do you think you could hard scumread me, but never hard townread me? I don't remember equivocation when you were proxy playing in Team Mafia, or equivocation when you thought I was scum in the dead PT of Fusion.
It's not something to get salty over, I think that sort of thing is subconscious/involuntary, I'm just curious.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: NDMath

[TheFuzzylogic99]

also scum are not pushing me or not very hard .....they are likely sitting on me hoping town will mislynch me due to the deadline coming up......

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Why are you voting Math over me?
Please explain your change of heart?