Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[Marashu]

(And before people say that I'm just asking questions and not going anywhere with them, this is important for me because I don't understand the reasoning behind it yet it seems to be the crux of what clidd is using for his main theory)

[Karnage]

Vote Count 2.4

Marashu (2) ~

skitter30, Maduisha,

Datisi (1) ~

Malakittens,

Not voting (4) ~

clidd, Marashu, word321, Datisi,

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-04-05 13:00:00)

V/LA:

• skitter30 - Fridays and Saturdays

[clidd]

If that is the case, I believe there is an SE player in the scum duo. I don't see

Scum!Newbie

selecting their kill out of the potential vocal threats, unless he has an argumentative condition to beat these players later, which means a non-newbie player there.

Could you explain this for me? Because this sounds a lot like you're patting yourself on the back here.

The ghost decided to appear.

What exactly did you not understand ?

[Datisi]

don't be rude, that sentence is shakily formed.

[Marashu]

I don't see

Scum!Newbie

selecting their kill out of the potential vocal threats

Your argument from what I understand is a) the mafia knew trq was mason and chose to kill her because of that. And also b) the mafia wouldn't kill a vocal threat unless they had a means of dealing with it. Do you see trq as a potential vocal threat? That's specifically what I want cleared up.

[word321]

I don't see Scum!Newbie selecting their kill out of the potential vocal threats

Out of. I guess he meant a newbie would kill someone who is a threat to him, i.e., is vocally doubting they're town. I dnt agree with his argument though.

[word321]

Scum would like to maximize enthropy. Thta means a)dnt killing anyone who is suspected, i.e., men, skit, mar, or who can potentially be suspected, and b) Trying not to give info with a kill. Preserve towns who are more dependent of everyones will would be good too. Thtat leaves some targets like mad and trq. I dnt nesesarily think she was killed for being mason, and I dnt think being newbie implies not caring if ur kill gives info.

[clidd]

I don't see

Scum!Newbie

selecting their kill out of the potential vocal threats

Your argument from what I understand is a) the mafia knew trq was mason and chose to kill her because of that. And also b) the mafia wouldn't kill a vocal threat unless they had a means of dealing with it. Do you see trq as a potential vocal threat? That's specifically what I want cleared up.

A)

Wrong, the mafia had good reasoning to reach the conclusion that TRQ was mason and that the claim was out of the figurative realm.

B)

Wrong², the mafia would have a hard time dealing with vocal threats unless they had the eloquence to deal with them. TRQ was not a vocal threat and if they were wrong about her being a mason, the kill would be wasted and they would have to bear the consequences of not eliminating a vocal antagonist if they wanted to win lylo.

[clidd]

I don't see Scum!Newbie selecting their kill out of the potential vocal threats

Out of. I guess he meant a newbie would kill someone who is a threat to him, i.e., is vocally doubting they're town. I dnt agree with his argument though.

Incorrect, the correct premise is:

a newbie would kill someone who is a vocal threat to him, that is, who is able to argue better and potentially disrupt lylo's decision.

[clidd]

Scum would like to maximize enthropy. Thta means a)dnt killing anyone who is suspected, i.e., men, skit, mar, or who can potentially be suspected, and b) Trying not to give info with a kill. Preserve towns who are more dependent of everyones will would be good too. Thtat leaves some targets like mad and trq. I dnt nesesarily think she was killed for being mason, and I dnt think being newbie implies not caring if ur kill gives info.

[clidd]

don't be rude, that sentence is shakily formed.

Actually, I am being polite.

[clidd]

So I say what we are going to do next:

wait patiently for Malakittens' manifestation and decide based on the information we get which direction we are going to take.

Good for everyone ?

[Datisi]

I'd maybe beg to differ, but I don't have the energy for derailing this game in favor of a talk about manners.

That sounds ~good~, it's just boring. I get that we need that slot to act to proceed. But it's boring.

[Malakittens]

As for TRQ in the beginning of page 1 I thought it was a mere joke to have a mason claim right off the bat. I also snickered at the fact why would someone claim mason in a newbie game and realized that it changed to include mason’s. I also felt like some players had a townlean from it.

I have to agree that I think there’s scum between the experienced players {Datisi, clidd & Skitter}

[Malakittens]

There’s also a good chance I won’t be reading all 54 pages. So feel free to scum read me for that IDC. It’s more I don’t have time for it and prob won’t dig into detail unless we have a scum flip that way I can PoE.

[Malakittens]

I also didn’t have a good feeling about Clidd post to TRQ mason claim. It felt like fishing and then Datisi post I had the same feeling.

[Datisi]

What *have* you read? Any reads/explanation for your vote?

[skitter30]

i don't really have anything new to add

[Malakittens]

trq and marashu probably aren't scum together

trq and marashu probably aren't scum together

why do you say that

because if marashu is scum calling attention to his partner's obviously fake mason claim is weird

like i can see him doing that as scum to a townie but it's not an svs interaction imo

lmao
so you actually think the mason claim is legit?

it obviously isn't?
i literally just said that

but marashu was treating it as somewhat real and that's a weird thing to do with a partner

This is an interaction of Skitter I didn’t like.

[skitter30]

Another theory would be that both wagons were town yesterday

(Town!Marashu, Town!GeneralWu)

, so there would be a big implication on Skitter being scum for not predicting this and persisting in his push today. The possibility of Menalque being scum would not be ruled out, but it would be more timid compared to Skitter, since Menalque's push was significantly more dense and illogical since

Scum!Menalque

would be aware that

Town!Skitter

would be in a position to detect his inconsequential movement, therefore, he would be more cautious in encouraging the directing of votes from one wagon to the other. There was a motivation for that too (981, 994). The partner is something that would depend on who is killed during the night, because of PoE.

if both wagons were town and I'm scum why do I care about which of gw or marashu get lynched

[skitter30]

Okay, but do you actually think scum!Menalque does this? I mean expecting to not get the spotlight right after doing that while playing with people that know how he plays and were watching him carefully already. I really don't think him playing as scum would ignore the fact that you were already paranoid of him, at the very least.

possibly, yes
the main reason I'm doubting my scumread there is that I think he probably kills me overnight
except of course he wasn't here for all of night so ikd

[skitter30]

I also didn’t have a good feeling about Clidd post to TRQ mason claim. It felt like fishing and then Datisi post I had the same feeling.

which datisi post?

anyways I'm content with mara -> mala -> datisi rn

[Malakittens]

Any reason you are copying Saudade's intro from that game?

[Malakittens]

Felt like fishing trying to get more information out. Obv i read TQR post as a joke to get the ball rolling rather than a real claim

[Datisi]

What *have* you read? Any reads/explanation for your vote?