Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[Crush]

@LL, yes I did read back but the site has been terribly slow. I didn't really find anything that stood out to me, the only thing is that there's definitely an argument to be made that Wooper talked Homura into hammering because Homura's game-long TR switched to her hammering Wooper.

But then it means they were blatantly partnering and I don’t know if it’s a play they would’ve taken under the heat they were under D2.

LL never TR'ed Wooper explicitely, his MR on Menal was too strong to consider lynching someone else, if taken by face value. They all-inned on lynching Menal D2, in case it worked LL could've quoted himself saying it was CJ + Wooper all along, Wooper would've been the most obvious lynch based on D2 and then LL would've had town cred going into D4.

is still on my mind tho and I feel like I should just go with my initial gut reaction that you're more likely to be mafia aligned than Homura is, there's a truth to what Orange and Homura said in that the results of your pushes have just been really bad this game and I think at some point I should just conclude that other players (Menal, Orange) have a better read on you than I do.

VOTE: LL L1

[LuckyLuciano]

Good luck in LYLO. Remember not to vote until you are 100% sure of who you want to lynch so mafia can't hammer. There's no reason we can't come out with the win. Take your time, evaluate all the slots and their relation to Wooper. Evaluate the night kill and the motive behind it. Look at who sheeped me the entire game and just let me be wrong repeatedly without ever contesting my reads. We win this.

[happyorange]

Vote: Homura

[LuckyLuciano]

Also, I did explicitly townread Cheeky, not sure if that makes a difference for you.

pedit: That plot twist.

[happyorange]

Good luck in LYLO. Remember not to vote until you are 100% sure of who you want to lynch so mafia can't hammer. There's no reason we can't come out with the win. Take your time, evaluate all the slots and their relation to Wooper. Evaluate the night kill and the motive behind it. Look at who sheeped me the entire game and just let me be wrong repeatedly without ever contesting my reads. We win this.

You said you were going to self-vote to secure a lynch. You didn't.

[LuckyLuciano]

When did I said I would self-vote? I said I'd rather be lynched than no lynch, but self-voting is playing against my wincon.

[Crush]

Also, I did explicitly townread Cheeky, not sure if that makes a difference for you.

pedit: That plot twist.

In this case I don't think so.

At least the server problems made for an spectacular end.

[Homura]

Can confirm, site is running slow.

If I'm playing the mafia face and open wolfsiding all game, why does Wooper play aggro day 2? It just doesn't make sense. scum!Lucky only ever works with a passive second mafia, or if you assume Wooper horribly misplayed our team dynamic. The latter assumption still fails to explain why Cheeky sheeped the hell out of me when I replaced in. Are we really trying to operate under the assumption that both Cheeky and Wooper misplayed their role in a scumteam with me massively? Further, why would I take an open-wolf stance as the mafia PR? Knowing what we know now with flips, if I'm mafia, I'm the roleblocker. Why would I play so aggro as the roleblocker? It doesn't compute.

Why are you trying to convince me if you think I'm scum?

You can't expect me to take a potshot on why you would or wouldn't do something as scum. I've seen players openwolf as mafia PR and obvtown as town PR. I've seen scum players heavily townblocking with their partners to control the gamestate. My impression of you is that you're the "extroverted" type—you'd play the gamestate through sheer force of will, so I can definitely reconcile your role with your play this game.

P-edit: Quoting is impossible right now, but I had a scumping on Ph0enix from before you started openly pushing him. Anyone can feel free to corroborate this.

[LuckyLuciano]

I feel really bad for mafia if I'm right about Homura. Without the server lagging he hammered me 100% and got to LYLO.

[Homura]

@LL, yes I did read back but the site has been terribly slow. I didn't really find anything that stood out to me, the only thing is that there's definitely an argument to be made that Wooper talked Homura into hammering because Homura's game-long TR switched to her hammering Wooper.

My reasoning at the time was his directed shade onto town when he realized he might be lynched, as well as his refusal to answer any of my questions and Mena's willingness to work with me. I don't think my vote switch was outside of what was feasible from a town perspective.

[happyorange]

When did I said I would self-vote? I said I'd rather be lynched than no lynch, but self-voting is playing against my wincon.

It's the logical extension of that statement. Self-voting absolutely is not against village wincon if you have no choice but to do it in order to avoid no lynch, outside situations where self-voting would lose the game.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 3.07

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Lynching

With 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

Homura

(3): LuckyLuciano, ceejayvinoya, happyorange

<-- LYNCH

LuckyLuciano

(1): Crush

Not Voting

(1): Homura

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-01 15:00:00).

Mod notes:

A lynch![/area]

[Plotinus]

Day 3 Lynch - homura

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homura has been lynched day 3. She was a

mafia roleblocker.

That means the

town

, consisting of

Ph0enix, town jailkeeper, Titus, town tracker,

and the

vanilla townies, Crush, QuantumQuasar, happyorange, Menaque, Non Imh, Tapiocaphobe, Karnage, LuckyLuciano, LunarRest, ceejayvinoya, and TrueSoulEnergy

have won Newbie 1988 | Octopus! Congratulations!

[/area]

[Plotinus]

Game Events

day 1

• Karnage
  is lynched with 0 scum on his wagon.

night 1

• Ph0enix
  is jailkeeping
  Crush
  (failure: roleblocked)
  
• Titus
  is tracking
  TrueSoulEnergy
  (success: went nowhere).
  
• Homura
  is killing
  ph0enix
  (success: dies).
  
• Homura
  is roleblocking
  ph0enix
  . (success)

day 2

• Wooper
  is lynched with 1 scum on his wagon.

night 2

• Titus
  is tracking
  Crush
  . (success: went nowhere)
  
• Homura
  is killing
  Titus
  . (success: dies)
  
• Homura
  is roleblocking
  ceejayvinoya
  . (success)

day 3

• Homura
  is lynched with 0 scum on her wagon.

Links

Links

• Public thread
  
• Mod PT
  
• Mafia PT (will be made public in (expired on 2020-04-02 15:39:00), or sooner if the mafia agree to it)
  
• Dead thread
  
• Karnage's PT

[Plotinus]

A big thanks to AaronFrost for backup modding for me!

This is game is now open for post game discussion. You can talk here even if you were dead and even if you didn't play.

[Homura]

And now the site works.

[LuckyLuciano]

I don't think I deserved to win this game.

[Homura]

Vote: Homura

Can I ask why?

[LuckyLuciano]

He hammered you because there was 2 minutes left in the DP.

[Homura]

Wow.

It actually took me an entire hour to post the few posts I did. That's how bad it was.

[happyorange]

Gg! Kudos LuckyLuciano for putting in that extra bit of effort at the end to bring people over to your side.

I voted you to avoid no lynch hamoura.

[Menalque]

GGs

I would’ve lynched LL today but I would have lynched homura > crush tomorrow I think

[LuckyLuciano]

I really need to readjust my play for this site. My old site had 72 hour days with easily 500-1k posts per day so it was easy for me to take every read to the extreme and let people check me if I was going too far off the deep end with them. I started realizing after the Wooper lynch that with the slower pace of mafiascum I just made it super easy for the mafia to sit back and slightly nudge me in the wrong direction and I took the reads too far before people have time to chime in and correct my course.

[LuckyLuciano]

I also need to take more care of myself outside of the game. This shutdown has had me isolated for so long that it's really getting at my motivation to do anyway. It felt like once I figured out Homura was scum and I wasn't just testing a read anymore but truly believed it I had no motivation to go back and explain what I saw to other players.

[Homura]

Sorry, Wooper. You're a really good partner and coach, I'm just a hopeless case.

Don't think I want the PT released—there's some stuff in there I don't want made public. Thanks for understanding and best regards in your next games.