Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[eyestott]

Fuck. Two Nightkills? I can't remember being in a double elimination night before.
Under normal rules, there cant be two anti-town NKs without significant shenanigans, right? Like, is a Vigilante the only explanation?

[NDMath]

The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

[NDMath]

1 1-shot vig
9 vt
2 mafia goons

I'm tempted to try to work with this assumption for a bit.

[Blake Belladonna]

congrats scum

I followed along somewhat and it took me a while to get either profii or BEF, although tbf I kinda did stop reading the game after d2 started loooool

oh

that's unfortunate

I will answer the rest later.

[Blake Belladonna]

The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

VOTE: NDMath

This post is not town.

[eyestott]

The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

VOTE: NDMath

This post is not town.

Can you expand on your reasoning? I’m just trying to sort out this exchange

[Taly]

Night 1 Result

popsofctown

has died last night. She was:

Spoiler:

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have your voice and your vote but no special abilities.
You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Luca Blight

has died last night. He was:

Spoiler:

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have your voice and your vote but no special abilities.
You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Lovely. The two people I had almost conclusively as town from EoD1 conversations.

Good morning.

I think there's very low odds I don't support an NDMath lynch today, but I will still do my due diligence and look into the game further regardless.

I made 2 wallposts towncasing

NDMath

EoD1 and you haven't batted an eyelash to it.

I also towncased

Fuzzy

, and I wanted you to critique it because you said it had very poor logic, you never did.

Nothing about your stance here is genuine.

If I had to sum up my thoughts as of right now, I don't believe I am significantly wrong in my reads, still.

There are some things I wish to go over still, but the scum in this game are likely to be those predominantly in the background of the game. This indicates Something_Smart, Aloratom, NDMath, and eyestott. I suspect two scum are in this list, minimum, at this point in time.

Of the rest, I believe Churros is the most likely to be scum.

OK, walk me through

Churros

in full, my thought process, I'll even use

Pops'

post as a basis:

Taly, you should think about reading Churros and Blake based on the genuineness and the insightfulness of their insights, and not on whether their ultimate conclusion townlocks you and makes you feel good.

food for thought

I don't feel particularly insightful about you in general

I disagreed completely that

Churros

was genuine because:

1)

He had a D1 PoE pool... this is either, never fully correct in my experience, or always accompanied with a scum agenda. Even if it's town, scum use pool's like that much in the way of why you're willing to lynch

NDMath

, despite reading

Churros

as most likely scum.

2)

Churros

insisted his reads were before coming into this game - so it's impossible validate his thought process as NAI, at best, it's town grossly pushing their confident reads, at worst, it's scum hiding a narrative.

3)

Town should never ignore a scumread via hard-tunneling. I know town unfortunately gamethrow by doing this, but ignoring scumreads ping about 5 red flags at once and I can write an entire dissertation why, I've seen scum do it more.

Churros'

attitude toward his read of me did not read genuine, until-

That said, here is why I think

Churros

could be genuine with me.

Churros

believed I partner slipped 172 and 173, he had 0 reason to spew half the shit he did EoD1 if he knew

Fuzzy/I

were town, especially

Fuzzy

getting flipped.

He had no leverage for a mislynch with that statement.
He had no town credit especially, as his push on

Fuzzy

could put him into scrutiny.
He had nothing to gain from this assessment unless he borderline-insanely kept his tunnel on me the following day.

His hesitation to vote me now and evaluate other players is breaking from the scum narrative I saw him in.

So tell me, what makes this slot remain as scum to you

Blake

?

I want a genuine answer, same for

NDMath

. Because you only had

Fuzzy

as a solve, nobody backed up my towncase, he flipped town.

When Taly supposedly slipped Fuzzy as partner I was really confident on my [Taly, Fuzzy, Math] solve. My experience says I should still aim to lynch Taly because it's unlikely I was wrong on both given my recent SRs accuracy, but...today I want to talk?

I

I want to talk too,

pops/Luca

EoD1 were giving advice about either their game or of another player (the quote I linked of

pops

above and

Luca

giving meta prior to hammer) and I think there's credibility there.

Can you give a townread, of any degree or confidence?

Because Y'shtola is functionally only a troll account after being outed.

I switched because she was outed. Would you like me to link where I outed her?

This post answered exactly 0 of

Churros'

assertions about your reads.

If I weren't waiting for the rest of the plist to chip in, I'd be putting you to

L-2

right now.

Fuck. Two Nightkills? I can't remember being in a double elimination night before.
Under normal rules, there cant be two anti-town NKs without significant shenanigans, right? Like, is a Vigilante the only explanation?

Is this really all you have to say?

VOTE: Eyestott

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

But I missed all of the attention.

Don't go to long

<3

The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

1 1-shot vig
9 vt
2 mafia goons

I'm tempted to try to work with this assumption for a bit.

Not crazy about setup spec, either.

Did you read my towncase on you? What is a townread you have right now, at any degree?

Also, just like

eyestott

, this is all of you have to say, too?

p-edit

The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

VOTE: NDMath

This post is not town.

For a person townreading me, you should start trying to mind-meld with me more.

[Paragon]

Rest in peace, friends.

VOTE: NDMath

Same reasons as yesterday. Plus, why does Blake being more confident on Fuzzy flipping scum than others make her more likely to be scum? Also, do you think 2 mafia, 9 VT, and a one-shot vig is a balanced or fun setup?

Pedit: A Taly wall!

[Taly]

fuck this slow ass internet

trying to post the above was ungodly

p-edit

Rest in peace, friends.

VOTE: NDMath

Same reasons as yesterday. Plus, why does Blake being more confident on Fuzzy flipping scum than others make her more likely to be scum? Also, do you think 2 mafia, 9 VT, and a one-shot vig is a balanced or fun setup?

Pedit: A Taly wall!

Oh, a wild

Paragon

has popped up!

Paragon

, spew a townread at any degree of confidence?

What makes you think

Blake

isn't more likely - or perhaps, even less likely scum (if you think this) because of her confidence in pushing

Fuzzy

?

[Taly]

Churros believed I partner slipped 172 and 173,

MF

1772 and 1773

[Something_Smart]

fuck this slow ass internet

trying to post the above was ungodly

It's not you, it's the site.

[Paragon]

Is mafiascum unbearingly slow right now or am I just slow?

I'm not sure, Taly. It could work either way, but I dislike NDMath using it as a blanket reason reason to scumread her without any further reasoning or why that makes her scum, when town can be confidently wrong about reads too.

I've missed a lot, I'm gonna be reISOing people and forming another readslist hopefully later today if the site isn't broken. Based on this page and what I remember from end of day 1, I townread Blake for the reasoning behind her reads

[Taly]

I call upon the many transformations of the Tiger Clan to aid me.



May my toucan brothers and sisters give me strength!

Endow me with your glory and power!

oh, and a random anime girl help me.



I'm legit mad. I wanted more time with

Pops/Luca

I figured them out waaaay too late.

[Taly]

fuck this slow ass internet

trying to post the above was ungodly

It's not you, it's the site.

It's going to take more than that to avoid my beak today,

S_S

Spew or eat rope. Give a townread of any degree of confidence OR tell me which of

{Eyestott, NDMath, and Blake}

should be pushed to L-3 or L-2 right now.

Is mafiascum unbearingly slow right now or am I just slow?

I'm not sure, Taly. It could work either way, but I dislike NDMath using it as a blanket reason reason to scumread her without any further reasoning or why that makes her scum, when town can be confidently wrong about reads too.

I've missed a lot, I'm gonna be reISOing people and forming another readslist hopefully later today if the site isn't broken. Based on this page and what I remember from end of day 1, I townread Blake for the reasoning behind her reads

If you think they're genuine reads from

Blake

, can you explain a bit more why you think so?

And what about this page rings as towny of her?

[Something_Smart]

Is mafiascum unbearingly slow right now or am I just slow?

It was super slow earlier this morning but for me it's faster now (a little slower than usual but not that bad).

[eyestott]

Is this really all you have to say?

VOTE: Eyestott

No Taly, it’s not. Look at the post previous to your own. I’m still trying to sort out Churros and Blake because functionally they’re both very new players to this game. I was following your reasoning up until your vote on me but this has left me confused (and exhilarated! Finally, I’ve lost my voteginity hahaha). Are you voting me to get me to contribute?
I’m feeling a bit defeated right now, considering how shit of a night we just had. Where’s the best place for me to put my effort so I can contribute more?

[Something_Smart]

Give a townread of any degree of confidence OR tell me which of {Eyestott, NDMath, and Blake} should be pushed to L-3 or L-2 right now.

It was half a joke and half serious when I said it but now it's all serious, you are basically locktown.

As for votes I'm very tempted to sheep Blake.

[Taly]

Is this really all you have to say?

VOTE: Eyestott

No Taly, it’s not. Look at the post previous to your own. I’m still trying to sort out Churros and Blake because functionally they’re both very new players to this game. I was following your reasoning up until your vote on me but this has left me confused (and exhilarated! Finally, I’ve lost my voteginity hahaha). Are you voting me to get me to contribute?
I’m feeling a bit defeated right now, considering how shit of a night we just had. Where’s the best place for me to put my effort so I can contribute more?

Wonderful. I'll be waiting for your in-depth thoughts on

Churros/Blake

as they're a pair I cannot put off sorting here.

Good that you feel exhilarated, that's much better than getting upset over the night. I felt like shit for 2 seconds, but then that all burned into vindication.

Can you give me a townread at any degree of confidence?

The best place you can put effort is me, or anybody else who has a vote, or anyone else... I don't have enough opinions of your posts and that worries me. I think you could be scum riding the waves while everybody else cannibalizes the other. Either that, or the townreads on you truly are justified but haven't implied your posting to be strong since 2 people were nicer NK targets than you. Is this a weak or unfair assessment?

Give a townread of any degree of confidence OR tell me which of {Eyestott, NDMath, and Blake} should be pushed to L-3 or L-2 right now.

It was half a joke and half serious when I said it but now it's all serious, you are basically locktown.

As for votes I'm very tempted to sheep Blake.

That's multiple strong townreads, but not clarified? Who's locktown? I'm guessing not

NDMath

since

Blake

is voting there?

I want dialogue.

[Taly]

NDMath

, with

Luca

being town, do you understand why he was pushing you? Do you have an rebuttal about your stance on

Paragon

, or the assertion that you're shadowing my POV this game?

[Taly]

I have to do classwork, I'll be here later.

I mentioned 6 living players, and asked content of them.

I expect 6 replies.

I wait for

Alo/Fire

[eyestott]

Wonderful. I'll be waiting for your in-depth thoughts on Churros/Blake as they're a pair I cannot put off sorting here.

Churros is still quite a strong town read because based off my townreading Ame

Well I’m an idiot. I’m still confusing the replacements with eachother, that’s not a good sign. I’m struggling to read Churros for a reason I can’t say without breaking site rules. I need some more interaction with him in this game to develop my read on him. Blake is in my scumread group at the moment, along with NDMath. Pops and fuzzy we’re both scumreads of mine until recently so I need to re-examine day one. I suspect that either Churros or Something_Smart will become my third strongest scumread.

Good that you feel exhilarated, that's much better than getting upset over the night. I felt like shit for 2 seconds, but then that all burned into vindication.

Can you give me a townread at any degree of confidence?

Myself!



Oh, that doesn’t count? The Ame/Firebringer slot is a rather strong townreading of mine right now based off of Ame Day 1. You’re a relatively strong one too. Aloratom rounds out the townreading group. Paragon is null for me, but with a town lean.

The best place you can put effort is me, or anybody else who has a vote, or anyone else... I don't have enough opinions of your posts and that worries me. I think you could be scum riding the waves while everybody else cannibalizes the other. Either that, or the townreads on you truly are justified but haven't implied your posting to be strong since 2 people were nicer NK targets than you. Is this a weak or unfair assessment?

Nope, not at all! I’m assuming that Pops was murdered by the vigilante because that makes much more sense than the reverse. So with that said, Luca contributed much more to the town than I did day one. And that’s fine. I’m not expecting to carry my first game in 4 or so years. I’m treating this specific game as me refamiliarising myself with mafia(scum) as an adult, rather than as a teenager who hadn’t even accepted his sexuality yet.

[eyestott]

VOTE: NDMath
Should’ve done this earlier. This ones for you, Luca.

[Taly]

Give a townread of any degree of confidence OR tell me which of {Eyestott, NDMath, and Blake} should be pushed to L-3 or L-2 right now.

It was half a joke and half serious when I said it but now it's all serious, you are basically locktown.

As for votes I'm very tempted to sheep Blake.

Oh wait, I misread this. I'm locktown?

Even if confidence in this has strengthened, this is the only notable piece of content coming from you.

Do you think my questionnaire towards

Blake

on her replies (or lack of) to my

Fuzzy/NDMath

towncases are reasonable?

Wonderful. I'll be waiting for your in-depth thoughts on Churros/Blake as they're a pair I cannot put off sorting here.

Churros is still quite a strong town read because based off my townreading Ame

Well I’m an idiot. I’m still confusing the replacements with eachother, that’s not a good sign. I’m struggling to read Churros for a reason I can’t say without breaking site rules. I need some more interaction with him in this game to develop my read on him. Blake is in my scumread group at the moment, along with NDMath. Pops and fuzzy we’re both scumreads of mine until recently so I need to re-examine day one. I suspect that either Churros or Something_Smart will become my third strongest scumread.[/b]

So you think

NDMath/Blake

are bussing partners? Why do you think so?

And

Churros/S_S

are both scumreads or suspects to

Blake

, while

NDMath

doesn't voice a thing about them. Thoughts?

Good that you feel exhilarated, that's much better than getting upset over the night. I felt like shit for 2 seconds, but then that all burned into vindication.

Can you give me a townread at any degree of confidence?

Myself!



Oh, that doesn’t count? The Ame/Firebringer slot is a rather strong townreading of mine right now based off of Ame Day 1. You’re a relatively strong one too. Aloratom rounds out the townreading group. Paragon is null for me, but with a town lean.

I want to hear more about the

Ame/FB

townreads, I think it has validity with the recent flips but

FB

has done 0 to really help there.

And the

Alo

townread?

In your eyes, every major component to the

NDMath

wagon

{Paragon/Alo/

Luca

/

Eyestott (to you)

}

is town?

The best place you can put effort is me, or anybody else who has a vote, or anyone else... I don't have enough opinions of your posts and that worries me. I think you could be scum riding the waves while everybody else cannibalizes the other. Either that, or the townreads on you truly are justified but haven't implied your posting to be strong since 2 people were nicer NK targets than you. Is this a weak or unfair assessment?

Nope, not at all! I’m assuming that Pops was murdered by the vigilante because that makes much more sense than the reverse. So with that said, Luca contributed much more to the town than I did day one. And that’s fine. I’m not expecting to carry my first game in 4 or so years. I’m treating this specific game as me refamiliarising myself with mafia(scum) as an adult, rather than as a teenager who hadn’t even accepted his sexuality yet.

VOTE: NDMath
Should’ve done this earlier. This ones for you, Luca.

I can understand tonally that this is likely genuine, but contextually, it's worrying that you know you're not providing much to the town and don't seem riled by the suspicion.

Also, you put

NDMath

to L-2. Just voicing this for the thread.

And I want to know what made you change to

NDMath

as scum, you agreed with my assessment here at the time:

oof, I'm going to be doing people's work for them...

Alo/NDMath/Luca

are actually next ISOs.

Luca

, I'm having a lot of trouble fathoming the votepark wagon on

NDMath

.

For 50+ pages of content, a replace-in getting the lynch for a

"bad readslist"

that's no worse than most other readslist in this game - AND has expressed that they haven't provided a full train of thought... it's just doesn't feel lynch-worthy, or overtly scum-indicative.

With this stagnant voting near EoD1, I'm starting to think most of scum have casted their votes and have consistently bloc'ed onto one of the day's major wagons, potentially even the current ones

Fuzzy/NDMath

.

I believe town is on that wagon, but I don't think it's scum-pushed... If the problem people have with

NDMath

is

"their reasoning being faked"

then why don't they put effort in themselves to read them?

Regardless of

NDMath's

alignment, I don't think this wagon is getting anywhere other than one of the stalest ass lynches that we could pull right now.

I'm thoroughly unconvinced and I'm even more vexed that people aren't trying to convince me. It's sketchy as hell considering the gamestate.

Very good point, Taly. Specifically that last line. UNVOTE:
If you had some voting power; who would you have lynched today?

(1561 is my reply to this btw.)

[Something_Smart]

Oh wait, I misread this. I'm locktown?

Yup. This doesn't feel like your scumgame at all.

[Something_Smart]

Do you think my questionnaire towards Blake on her replies (or lack of) to my Fuzzy/NDMath towncases are reasonable?

Link?