Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[Karnage]

Vote Count 2.7

Marashu (2) ~

Maduisha, word321,

Malakittens (2) ~

Datisi, skitter30,

Datisi (1) ~

Malakittens,

word321 (1) ~

Marashu,

Not voting (1) ~

clidd,

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-04-05 13:00:00)

V/LA:

• skitter30 - Fridays and Saturdays

[skitter30]

Mara went up to L-1 before most players got to even post for D2. I just don’t see the whole reasoning for a scum!mara. I’m sticking to my gut town read from the few posts i read for D1 and D2 posting.

I'm p sure that every player other than yourself has stated that they are quite happy with a mar lynch today

[skitter30]

I am legit tempted to clear Mara on the basis of Mala doing their weird reads
1) i know that train of thought didn't work on d1 and 2) the only partners then would be skitter or maybe madu, both of which scare me

But the temptation is there still

Um no, i'm not

[skitter30]

do you see this as a bad thing? why/why not?

Not a fan of it, to be honest. Like, having basically a confirmed townie is a good thing, but I would rather see how everyone reacts, and this way half the players (and probably some if not all of the mafia) will be able to jump in with that info already present. It tells us who not to vote for, but doesn't help us find mafia.

But then, I'm not really a fan of D1 mason flip anyway, so it might just be a personal thing.

clidd and mad: How many games have you been in (here or otherwise?)

FP'd by GeneralWu

generalWu, same question: How many games?

This whole post is lamist

Is this basically what you're townreading him for @mala?

[skitter30]

But then, I'm not really a fan of D1 mason flip anyway, so it might just be a personal thing.

Like the weird part is specifically this bit - he immediately made the jump to 'she's really claiming mason', whereas i just thought she's making a meme reference to the large

Like the lack of doubting it just feels off to me, his response just doesnt feel right

[Datisi]

Skit, who'd you rather flip today? Because i feel like we're just going in circles at this point

[skitter30]

Yeah same

Mara or mala but i feel like i dont have enough from mala yet
Realistically i dont know if we will be getting more either tho

[skitter30]

Also going back i feel like mena tr me way too easily

[Datisi]

Going back I'm more confused about my read on that slot because of how i botched my entrance and first half of d1

But i am really really disliking what Mala is posting and i don't even know anymore

So you like see where i was going with 1 scum in skit/mara? Is there any response to that?

[skitter30]

I dislike mala's posting but idk if that's because its stressful irl rn or she's scum

And yeah i ger your reasoning for me/mara, i just didnt have much to say on it

Do you think me/mara could be svs?

[Datisi]

When you said that if Mara flipped scum you think the partners are either mena/me it did cross my mind, but i was gonna actually worry about it Tomorrow, since I vaguely remember the two of you as not partnery from d1

[skitter30]

Hmmmmmm

If you had said svt i think i would have actually just townbinned you

[Datisi]

Ok

Is that one specific thing that important to my slot? What's your ~actual~ view of me?

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

You are excluding me (because of TR) and yourself (because you are you). I understand where you come from, but I don't want to discard you for now. While you are a newbie slot, you also have some experience, and also are a person that usually posts in-depth analysis that sway people to townread you. I do believe you capable of directing a newbie scum. I am also paranoid of pocketing from you because we played together before, and you TR me very quickly in this game. So while I don't see scum indicative content in your posts, I am wary of you. I hope this feels reasonable for you.

I don't want to discard the SE theory so easily either, but please understand that I want to consider all possibilities. That includes Word and you, yes.

Your impression is based on individual experiences that differ from mine, so our opinions on the same subject will be always divergent. Unfortunately, I feel that you, like Menalque, are overestimating me and subconsciously classing my slot as a potentially threat and perhaps this is affecting your reasoning process.

I also believe it is a circulatory debate to discuss the validity of my emotional reads on Marashu, so I do not intend to extend a debate on that.

[clidd]

With that in mind, the question is: why is Marashu town ?

It seems you changed from Inconsequential Town/Lazy Scum to Busy Town. I dnt have much to add here that others havent already said; the post is mainly over the activity issue and behavior associated to activities outside the game. R u townreading the current mara (recent activity on day 2)?

His performance seems close to reasonable to me today, but individually I expected more. I would say a weaker TL on it if I were to evaluate in isolation.

[clidd]

I think clidd is clearing mara for bad reasons

Yes, literally.

[clidd]

I feel that the discussion between Menalque and Datisi last day would hardly be a theater. So if

Scum!Mala

is real,

Town!Datisi

is very likely.

[clidd]

Post

1466

, Malakittens.

Spoiler:

i'm wondering, as clidd and mala pointed out, if scum repeatedly point out the mason thing

They wouldn’t.

yeah that's kinda it , which is problematic
but the gamestate is also p complacent with a mara lynch, which worries me

Mara went up to L-1 before most players got to even post for D2. I just don’t see the whole reasoning for a scum!mara. I’m sticking to my gut town read from the few posts i read for D1 and D2 posting.

Unless unless exactly mala/word but 1) i have some weird ass town gutping on word and 2) i remember thinking there's no way it's mala/word and even tho i don't remember the exact posts rn i maybe will dig them up when it's not 4:30am

Anyway ye

Explain to me about the gutpinging town for word. I’m not following.

My reads however in no order, but the first and last.
{Scum —-> Town}

{Datsisi, word, skitter, Mara, Marda, clidd}

So... I'm still scum because of page 1 RoLeFisHiNg, there's a townread on clidd now, the ones in the middle are not in order... Where did the Mara townread go?

I like clidd’ s analysis for town!mara. Yeah I might not have liked some of his D1 posts, but that post literally screamed town to me. Again clidd could be like a Mastina3.0 scum game, but right now I’m liking a town!clidd.

As for your read. I legitimately can’t explain why you’re scum, but you are scum. I’m also freaking exhausted right now to the point I’m ready to take a nice long nap and wake up to the world going back to normal. I’m so freaking.over.it.

I also didn’t have a good feeling about Clidd post to TRQ mason claim. It felt like fishing and then Datisi post I had the same feeling.

My reads however in no order, but the first and last.
{Scum —-> Town}

{Datsisi, word, skitter, Mara, Marda, clidd}

I know you said today will be worse than yesterday, but can you please explain what exactly changed to make clidd your top town pick? And what do you mean that the rest are in no order? When will you have time to post?

Deadline is going to be mid-Sunday my time, a bit under 3 days from now. Do we want to ask for a 1-day extension so that Mala will have time during the weekend to post/catch up?

i mean ... he literally said if you're mislynched it's lylo
how is that a scumslip?

The way he was factoring in the numbers for remaining players/mafia. To me it was coming off like he know how I would flip and is trying to reason things based on that rather than trying to figure out whether I am scum or not.

@Mad what are your thoughts on word right now? He only has about 20 or so more posts than me right now, and a bunch of those are EBWOP, so it shouldn't take too long to review.

I don’t really know if a deadline extension will help. I actually do have off tomorrow and Sunday, but sandwiching in on Saturday a shift at work and then a paramedic rotation. I also have a ridiculously early zoom meeting i have to be up for so if I can somehow manage to not fall asleep after it.

I believe that we need more clarification about Malakittens at the moment. I feel a different energy from her slot.

I would like to understand the full reason for her suspicions on Datisi. I feel like something is being omitted (and I hate when someone is hiding information from me).

I believe that details are lacking to explain convincingly the motivation of your case on Datisi. I hope to see it as soon as possible.

[clidd]

Also going back i feel like mena tr me way too easily

It is a mystery that he hard pushed on a counter-wagon while being aware that

Town!Skitter

would draw associations

Marashu + Menalque

after

GW

flips town. Which would be inconsistent with

Scum!Menalque

trying to gain Skitter's trust with a TR early.

[clidd]

Let's continue tomorrow.

Good night

[Maduisha]

Also going back i feel like mena tr me way too easily

It is a mystery that he hard pushed on a counter-wagon while being aware that

Town!Skitter

would draw associations

Marashu + Menalque

after

GW

flips town. Which would be inconsistent with

Scum!Menalque

trying to gain Skitter's trust with a TR early.

This is essentially what I've been trying to say. I feel like Marashu has high odds of being scum, but while Menalque could have tried to play with expectations if he's scum, I think his behavior makes no sense unless he's town. Scum counting on wifom to get away with saving their partner is plausible in isolation but... in a game he's playing with people that know his slot? He could not possibly expect this suspicion not to happen. It feels like burying himself alive.

It is still possible, but my gut says his slot is town and that's the explanation behind his actions.

[clidd]

Suggestive.

The implication that I agree with this logic is that just like

Scum!Menalque

would mean

Town!Marashu

,

Town!Menalque

would mean

Scum!Marashu

. The "partner rescue" scenario is very illogical for someone like Menalque. He was aware that not only Skitter, but I would push him if Marashu's flip was scum today, especially from the BoP that I had put on him.

[Maduisha]

Exactly. And since I feel like flipping one gives us a confirmation on the other, that's why I'm still adamant about lynching Marashu. He has the most scum-indicative content of the two, so he's the safest bet.

I could also be wrong and them being 2 towns or 2 scums, it's not impossible. I just feel like it's highly unlikely, so I'm not accounting for it.

[clidd]

I can feel a smile on the scum PT if this chain of lynch is wrong.