Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[HoldenGolden]

Not really. I was hard TRing him in that game (and was correct), but a while ago i got familiar with some of his scumgames, and eh... I'll be having trouble getting a read of Holden i think.

You often do meta research like this?

When was this "awhile ago"? I haven't played in ~6 months.

Please have at least 3 years worth of crusading experience and utter holy proficiency with Microsoft excel.

I've worked at a Starbucks once

Hmm, and their cup sizes are italian which is just Latin spelled wrong. You shall be considered

[Datisi]

Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?

[Datisi]

When was this "awhile ago"? I haven't played in ~6 months.

I read Newbie 1948 when I was doing meta research for Newbie 1952.

[shiki]

Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?

yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.

[Datisi]

Interesting to see someone go straight for meta research. Especially with a very recently made account.

[shiki]

Interesting to see someone go straight for meta research. Especially with a very recently made account.

why? what else is there to do before the game starts?

[Datisi]

Generally people just do ~nothing~ while waiting for the game to start. Or at least I do nothing.

Plus there's the thought that second hand meta is not necessarily useful and can even be harmful if it leads to confbiasing. So eh.

[HoldenGolden]

When was this "awhile ago"? I haven't played in ~6 months.

I read Newbie 1948 when I was doing meta research for Newbie 1952.

Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame

For some reason I thought your post was much more scummer then it actually was. Perhaps I should not be playing at 12 in the morning.

@GeorgeBailey, assuming you are around, what do you make about Shiki's approach?

[Datisi]

For some reason I thought your post was much more scummer then it actually was.

Which one? 22? What gave you that impression?

[Madoka]

Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?

yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.

You and I are going to get along great.

Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame

This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?

[HoldenGolden]

For some reason I thought your post was much more scummer then it actually was.

Which one? 22? What gave you that impression?

In short, while I agree with the verdict as tonally I find myself hard to read apart of a few weird mannerisms, I found the construction of the post feeling artificial when I first read it.

To me, the "while ago" apart felt crammed in to provide additional justification as to why you weren't sure about it besides me tonally being hard to read. The future prediction of me being hard to read felt forced and still sorta does to allow you to fall on either side of the fence. As if you were also differing judgement until you heard from Shiki's view on it.

Rereading it though and with the way you followed up with questioning Shiki's method rather trying to use it to capitalize a read onto me or even possibly her puts me more at ease over the post.

[HoldenGolden]

Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?

yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.

You and I are going to get along great.

Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame

This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?

You are correct that there is no more recent games from me.

However the question was when he acquainted himself with my games. Aka, I was testing to see if it was actually a legit reason from him which I think so since he gave a more precise and believable time

[Datisi]

I dig this.

[Madoka]

Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?

yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.

You and I are going to get along great.

Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame

This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?

You are correct that there is no more recent games from me.

However the question was when he acquainted himself with my games. Aka, I was testing to see if it was actually a legit reason from him which I think so since he gave a more precise and believable time

I see. But why does the timeframe matter if he had a reason for looking at the game either way? If he said he reviewed the game for research in a more recent game, would you find it suspicious?

[HoldenGolden]

Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?

yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.

You and I are going to get along great.

Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame

This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?

You are correct that there is no more recent games from me.

However the question was when he acquainted himself with my games. Aka, I was testing to see if it was actually a legit reason from him which I think so since he gave a more precise and believable time

I see. But why does the timeframe matter if he had a reason for looking at the game either way? If he said he reviewed the game for research in a more recent game, would you find it suspicious?

It has nothing to do with the reason to meta me. Allow me to expand further

*Put on your big brain hats, takes a deep breath*

As you can see at the top of this page there was a span of 2 minutes between me posing the question and his answer. This is important as here are two examples of the answers I am expecting:

"It was back when you were playing"

vs

"I read 1944 for newbie 1952"

If I am gauging if he was being artificial about his view on me, then one of these clearly sounds more scummy then the other. The former is open ended, vague, and easily bullshitable. The other meanwhile is precise and narrow scoped. Factor in the short time frame in the response to the question and with it being more what I expect if he was being truthful, then I am left with a pretty easy conclusion. Yes, this is assuming that 2 mins is not enough time to make the response to it, but that's the philosophical razor for you

Now a question of my own: What do you make of it now given my rational? Ball is back in your court

[GeorgeBailey]

@GeorgeBailey, assuming you are around, what do you make about Shiki's approach?

To go for meta so early? Seems normal to me, I see plenty of people bring meta up to bring the game out of RVS.

[Luca Blight]

Hello everyone

Generally people just do ~nothing~ while waiting for the game to start. Or at least I do nothing.

Plus there's the thought that second hand meta is not necessarily useful and can even be harmful if it leads to confbiasing. So eh.

Do you think the meta research is AI at all?

[shiki]

@GeorgeBailey, assuming you are around, what do you make about Shiki's approach?

i was (not so) patiently waiting for george's response.

he and i played together in a past life:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82380

why did you ask george, specifically? was it because he was the only one you assumed to be around outside of yourself, datisi and me? or was there more to it?

You and I are going to get along great.

you were one of the less extensive ones, due to having no completed games.

[GeorgeBailey]

i was (not so) patiently waiting for george's response.

yeah sorry, i'm a slow typer.

[Datisi]

Generally people just do ~nothing~ while waiting for the game to start. Or at least I do nothing.

Plus there's the thought that second hand meta is not necessarily useful and can even be harmful if it leads to confbiasing. So eh.

Do you think the meta research is AI at all?

Not really, no. I think it's more personality/motivation based than alignment based.

Also side comment, my guess on who shiki was in the past life has been confirmed. That's another person I feel pleasure seeing.

[Hiraki]

Applications for my crusade against the darktimes are open! Please have at least 3 years worth of crusading experience and utter holy proficiency with Microsoft excel.

I only use SUMIFS, never SUMIF, and INDEXMATCHES. All other formulas are pretty useless.

Vote: GeorgeBailey

Starbucks are liberal bastions.

[HoldenGolden]

@GeorgeBailey, assuming you are around, what do you make about Shiki's approach?

To go for meta so early? Seems normal to me, I see plenty of people bring meta up to bring the game out of RVS.

A bland but reasonable answer. I assume you have no other comments on the rest of the game so far?

Hello everyone

Generally people just do ~nothing~ while waiting for the game to start. Or at least I do nothing.

Plus there's the thought that second hand meta is not necessarily useful and can even be harmful if it leads to confbiasing. So eh.

Do you think the meta research is AI at all?

Ah, you have armor suited to be a crusader. Perhaps I can paint the cross of townies on you one day.

@GeorgeBailey, assuming you are around, what do you make about Shiki's approach?

i was (not so) patiently waiting for george's response.

he and i played together in a past life:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82380

why did you ask george, specifically? was it because he was the only one you assumed to be around outside of yourself, datisi and me? or was there more to it?

Nailed it

I prefer social interaction over reading old games.

EDIT: Who is shiki in that game they linked?

[HoldenGolden]

Applications for my crusade against the darktimes are open! Please have at least 3 years worth of crusading experience and utter holy proficiency with Microsoft excel.

I only use SUMIFS, never SUMIF, and INDEXMATCHES. All other formulas are pretty useless.

Vote: GeorgeBailey

Starbucks are liberal bastions.

As long as they can calculate the exponential growth of dead bodies i'll put you on the list of applicants.

While you are correct on your commentary of Starbucks, I praise thy to remember the holy testament of at least its not insta-made microwave coffee *shudders from childhood trauma*

[Madoka]

Spoiler:

Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?

yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.

You and I are going to get along great.

Fair enough. I would be more alarmed if you said a more recent time-frame

This is suspicious to me. Why would he state a more recent time if it doesn't exist?

You are correct that there is no more recent games from me.

However the question was when he acquainted himself with my games. Aka, I was testing to see if it was actually a legit reason from him which I think so since he gave a more precise and believable time

I see. But why does the timeframe matter if he had a reason for looking at the game either way? If he said he reviewed the game for research in a more recent game, would you find it suspicious?

It has nothing to do with the reason to meta me. Allow me to expand further

*Put on your big brain hats, takes a deep breath*

As you can see at the top of this page there was a span of 2 minutes between me posing the question and his answer. This is important as here are two examples of the answers I am expecting:

"It was back when you were playing"

vs

"I read 1944 for newbie 1952"

If I am gauging if he was being artificial about his view on me, then one of these clearly sounds more scummy then the other. The former is open ended, vague, and easily bullshitable. The other meanwhile is precise and narrow scoped. Factor in the short time frame in the response to the question and with it being more what I expect if he was being truthful, then I am left with a pretty easy conclusion. Yes, this is assuming that 2 mins is not enough time to make the response to it, but that's the philosophical razor for you

Now a question of my own: What do you make of it now given my rational? Ball is back in your court

I like your reasoning, but neither of those answers is a more recent time frame. You stated that you would be alarmed if he had given a more recent time frame. What would that have looked like?

[GeorgeBailey]

A bland but reasonable answer

Just like our coffee