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[Datisi]

Madu, if we were to lynch Mara today, and Mara flipped green, what would your thoughts be on the Menalque slot?

[skitter30]

Ok

Is that one specific thing that important to my slot? What's your ~actual~ view of me?

vacillating between nullscum and nulltown
i feel like potentially leaving me/mara as svs, if you're scum you're leaving room to push me tomorrow on a mara redflip, which i think is a silly position to take given how vocally i've been tryign to get him lynched for like the whole game

[skitter30]

Also going back i feel like mena tr me way too easily

It is a mystery that he hard pushed on a counter-wagon while being aware that

Town!Skitter

would draw associations

Marashu + Menalque

after

GW

flips town. Which would be inconsistent with

Scum!Menalque

trying to gain Skitter's trust with a TR early.

i'm not entirely sure he'd think i would think that?
literally nobody was thinking that mena was responsible for diverting the wagon from mara to gw until i pointed it out, and he actually had a bit of a prickly reaction to me pointing it out too

like it's entirely possible he thought he'd manage to do it under the radar and that he successfully diverted
iirc there were feelers about changing wagon, and then other people agreed, and then he did so

like idk why you think he'd think that i'd catch on in particular, scum aren't infallible and it's possible he thought he'd done a good job low-key diverting the wagon

[Datisi]

Very true

Insert wifom of why would scum!me actually try to do it then

I didn't say it's likely. I didn't say I would definitely do it. Im just saying mara scumflip is not yet clearing you in my mind

Pedit re 1501

[skitter30]

Also going back i feel like mena tr me way too easily

It is a mystery that he hard pushed on a counter-wagon while being aware that

Town!Skitter

would draw associations

Marashu + Menalque

after

GW

flips town. Which would be inconsistent with

Scum!Menalque

trying to gain Skitter's trust with a TR early.

This is essentially what I've been trying to say. I feel like Marashu has high odds of being scum, but while Menalque could have tried to play with expectations if he's scum, I think his behavior makes no sense unless he's town. Scum counting on wifom to get away with saving their partner is plausible in isolation but... in a game he's playing with people that know his slot? He could not possibly expect this suspicion not to happen. It feels like burying himself alive.

It is still possible, but my gut says his slot is town and that's the explanation behind his actions.

again i don't understand this conclusion
i don't know that scum!mena would have thought that he'd necessarily been caught right there

like i feel like scum!mena is being given too much credit in a context that may not be warranted ?

[skitter30]

Very true

Insert wifom of why would scum!me actually try to do it then

I didn't say it's likely. I didn't say I would definitely do it. Im just saying mara scumflip is not yet clearing you in my mind

Pedit re 1501

i know, but it's the position that i expect scum to take here, whereas i really would never expect scum to say svt, which is why i think you saying that owuld have been clearing

i'm not saying that town couldn't say svs so much as i think that scum wouldn't say svt so since you didn't i can't townbin you, if that makes sense

[clidd]

Also going back i feel like mena tr me way too easily

It is a mystery that he hard pushed on a counter-wagon while being aware that

Town!Skitter

would draw associations

Marashu + Menalque

after

GW

flips town. Which would be inconsistent with

Scum!Menalque

trying to gain Skitter's trust with a TR early.

i'm not entirely sure he'd think i would think that?
literally nobody was thinking that mena was responsible for diverting the wagon from mara to gw until i pointed it out, and he actually had a bit of a prickly reaction to me pointing it out too

like it's entirely possible he thought he'd manage to do it under the radar and that he successfully diverted
iirc there were feelers about changing wagon, and then other people agreed, and then he did so

like idk why you think he'd think that i'd catch on in particular, scum aren't infallible and it's possible he thought he'd done a good job low-key diverting the wagon

Hum, ok.

[skitter30]

can someone declare intent so that we can get a claim

like from right around here his iso is just ... really bad if mara is scum

[Datisi]

Fair

I think it's more pure "skitter is god tier scum" paranoia because this game doesn't fully make sense to me. Like, Mena/Mara makes sense. But I'm not keen on holding onto that because I've often been wrong in the past when calling both scum out preflip. AmdnI feel like more behaviors from people don't make perfect sense and also lylo is going to be hell I feel if mara green.

[skitter30]

like just reread his iso starting from there in the context of scum!mara

[Datisi]

Do we think that claiming VT is likely from scum!mara here?

Skit, thoughts on this post? Was I right in thinking that you were avoiding posting right after this post?

[Datisi]

Which would not be a jab at you btw, so was I.

[skitter30]

Do we think that claiming VT is likely from scum!mara here?

Skit, thoughts on this post? Was I right in thinking that you were avoiding posting right after this post?

oh i was just about to quote that ...
it looks like a setup/premediated almost in the context of mara/mena

like oh boy scum wouldn't claim vt there so i'll clear him and let's lolwagon wu instead!!!1!

when he could have jsut told him to claim that so he could back off

i dont't hink i was purposefully avoiding? i honestly don't remember? i think it happened on one of several not-super-great days last week and i just didn't have energy to engage with it

[skitter30]

like outside of the vt thing can anyone articulate why mena switched from mara to wu all of a sudden?

[Datisi]

Do we think that claiming VT is likely from scum!mara here?

Skit, thoughts on this post? Was I right in thinking that you were avoiding posting right after this post?

oh i was just about to quote that ...
it looks like a setup/premediated almost in the context of mara/mena

like oh boy scum wouldn't claim vt there so i'll clear him and let's lolwagon wu instead!!!1!

when he could have jsut told him to claim that so he could back off

i dont't hink i was purposefully avoiding? i honestly don't remember? i think it happened on one of several not-super-great days last week and i just didn't have energy to engage with it

I asked because once the next person commented, you replied in like 5 minutes. Which could very well be a coincidence, but eh. Doesn't really matter i think.

I remember thinking after this post (when nobody spoke up abput scum!Mara claiming VT to wifom) that is Mara is scum, the partner is either smart enough not to fall into the trap (skit) or Mena himself.

That's why I said that I expected a certain interaction between you two that just didn't happen. I thought one of you would comment something about the situation because it struck me as somewhat similar of what happened at the end of d1 newbie 1971 (where you instructed gbj to claim VT if my memory serves)

[Maduisha]

Madu, if we were to lynch Mara today, and Mara flipped green, what would your thoughts be on the Menalque slot?

That would mean both trains in D1 were on town, which would confuse me a lot, since that would mean scum changed wagons from a perfectly fine train on town!Marashu while they could have "saved" the town!Gwu flip for the next day, since people had been stating they wanted to flip both for being scummy, anyway. I see no motivation for scum to change wagons if it's not to save Marashu, so this is what I think could have happened D1

if Marashu is town

:

a) Scum was okay with lynching

Marashu

, but

Menalque

diverted his lynch, and they decided to take the opportunity to frame Menalque later when Gwu flipped green, thus potentially linning up the lynch of 3 towns.

b) Scum had preference to get Gwu lynched because

Marashu

is more absent in the thread than he was, and they wanted to get rid of the most talkative of them two. I think this possibility is unlikely because it's not worth the risk to try to change the train from town to town victim, but it's not impossible. This would be open to a scum!Menalque slot.

I'm trying to see more motivations for scum!Menalque to change trains between two towns, and that's the only thing that comes to mind. If Marashu does indeed flip town, then I'll have a smaller conviction that his slot is innocent, but I wouldn't be too sold on their scumminess either. I think I might be biased because I can't see Marashu as anything other than scum, but I tried my best to reason the possibilities if he isn't.

[Datisi]

Another possible tactic is that Wu would maybe be able to "clear himself" and get Townread again, especially with skitter TRing him. IF Wu went first, Marashu was very unlikely to suddenly start getting Townread today.

[clidd]

Madu, if we were to lynch Mara today, and Mara flipped green, what would your thoughts be on the Menalque slot?

That would mean both trains in D1 were on town, which would confuse me a lot, since that would mean scum changed wagons from a perfectly fine train on town!Marashu while they could have "saved" the town!Gwu flip for the next day, since people had been stating they wanted to flip both for being scummy, anyway. I see no motivation for scum to change wagons if it's not to save Marashu, so this is what I think could have happened D1

if Marashu is town

:

a) Scum was okay with lynching

Marashu

, but

Menalque

diverted his lynch, and they decided to take the opportunity to frame Menalque later when Gwu flipped green, thus potentially linning up the lynch of 3 towns.

b) Scum had preference to get Gwu lynched because

Marashu

is more absent in the thread than he was, and they wanted to get rid of the most talkative of them two. I think this possibility is unlikely because it's not worth the risk to try to change the train from town to town victim, but it's not impossible. This would be open to a scum!Menalque slot.

I'm trying to see more motivations for scum!Menalque to change trains between two towns, and that's the only thing that comes to mind. If Marashu does indeed flip town, then I'll have a smaller conviction that his slot is innocent, but I wouldn't be too sold on their scumminess either. I think I might be biased because I can't see Marashu as anything other than scum, but I tried my best to reason the possibilities if he isn't.

[Maduisha]

That is also true. Maybe scum was scared of Skitter getting a stronger town read on Gwu and they wanted to get rid of him, prioritizing him over town!Marashu.

[Datisi]

*that* is assuming that mara flips town of course and i generally don' like preflip and also this game is a mess frankly.

[skitter30]

i guess the one thing i'm not sure about is that if it's mara/mena i'm kinda surprised i wasn't killed last night with mena there

[Datisi]

i guess the one thing i'm not sure about is that if it's mara/mena i'm kinda surprised i wasn't killed last night with mena there

frankly? if that is the team, i'm not. a bunch of people were suspecting you. and i think he made some offhand comments about not agreeing with you about something. that could easily be a setup, no?

[skitter30]

fair enough

[clidd]

So the sequence is:

Marashu flips town D2

> clidd killed N2 >

Menalque flips scum D3

> Maduisha killed N3 >

Lylo [Datisi, Skitter and Word].

Is that it ?

[skitter30]

uh no
i really think taht if mena is scum he doesn't want me in lylo here like at all ?