Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.02

bugspray (3) -

GeorgeBailey, Datisi, Luca Blight

Luca Blight (2) -

shiki, Hiraki

Hiraki (2) -

bugspray, humaneatingmonkey

humaneatingmonkey (1) -

HoldenGolden

Not Voting (1) -

Madoka

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-04-05 23:20:00).

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's either he's diverting attention from a wagon (bugspray), or defending the person i'm trying to start a wagon on (Datisi)

"Sorry if my questions bother you, but you keep saying things that don't make sense."
Even my language? Your questions have answers now. What's on your mind?

[Madoka]

That's all I wanted addressed, thank you. I asked about your language because I was curious. I think we should focus our attention on bugs, George, and shiki.

[humaneatingmonkey]

do you have impressions or weak reads?

[Hiraki]

your trying to pre-empt a vote from me by saying i'd be scum if i vote you is AI.

i'm now thinking why you had to make me look threatening and intimidating. it could be that your buddies are Datisi or bugspray, and you don't like how they're getting attention.

did i solve it? if i did, please quote this post on end game.

You must be a legend on the Mafia Discussion boards with logic like this. I must have 9 years of shitty experience for me to be duped so hard by you.

[Madoka]

do you have impressions or weak reads?

Yes, is there anyone in particular you would like my opinion of?

[Luca Blight]

Monkey, why did you want to withhold your read on me, and is there any update on that?

[Datisi]

Madoka, is there any use in not outright saying ypur impressions on the entirety of the playerlist? Or at list on whoever you have a read?

[shiki]

Shiki - first non-RVS with an 'eh' reason. good questions, but that's not what makes town.

but that's not what makes scum.

my vote on luca was rvs unless you think that i think that luca's past history of rolling scum would somehow impact this game? or unless you think that i think micc is a dishonest mod (i don't)?

what is it that makes town? and scum?

But when you’re criticizing people for dumb conversations and the like, I’d expect to see something superior from yourself?

Why?

i believe you've previously stated that calling useless posts useless is also in and of itself useless.

Hiraki - i'm getting some scum-cornered vibes.

i don't know what to tell you man. you just give me defensive vibes. don't worry about it. go ahead and play.

but it's nice to see you get in my face.

honestly, my vibe is you're a bit defensive. which is what you're doing now. i'm not hot and bothered about it because it's non-AI in itself. but it's nice to see you react to it because that part's almost AI.

i am very wary of this approach to hiraki. hiraki is repeatedly lynched as town, but not usually on day one. scumreading him but not pushing or voting him until he goaded you into it feels like setting up later actions.

some of hiraki's play here seems out of character (no ego post, not waiting for the game to develop to post much [which is likely explained by this being a blitz game]), but his reactions to monkey's actions seem consistent with past behaviour as town in similar situations. his general unpleasantness is not alignment indicative, as can be determined by even the most cursory of meta overviews.

A 9p normal is always 7T v 2S as far as I’m aware?

i dont know this

possibly true. monkey has no completed games since 2018.

I don’t remember voting Shiki.

Errors in Votecount 1.01 are fixed now.

i assume these are related.

i don't like typing, and i'd prefer if i'm not hyperactive this game.

i found it interesting that you joined a blitz game despite your opinions on geriatric games and hyperactivity. were you hoping other players would drive the game? you have found datisi's efforts to push the game forward scummy; do you see malicious intent in this or do you simply find it to be 'aimless' as someone else stated? i am asking because you said he was doing it for towncred, but i think scum would have more of an agenda than that.

I think we should focus our attention on bugs, George, and

shiki

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is this for activity reasons? if so, it was late for me. if not, why? do you find george's limited activity to be scummy? or one of his posts? or simply the use of the familiarity between him and bugspray? or do you think we should focus our attention on him simply to get more out of him?

[Hiraki]

no ego post

Are you aware of what an ego post is?

[shiki]

Are you aware of what an ego post is?

no, i just saw you started your completed games with one.

[HoldenGolden]

Bugs and Holden, are you having difficulty seeing any particular color?

Blue works fine. The green and worse that yellow with the funky highlighting makes it hard for me to read and retain what you said.

Spoiler: Monkeys read post

Shiki - first non-RVS with an 'eh' reason. good questions, but that's not what makes town. towncreds for meta effort though. i'm not sure if scum goes to the game and says "well im gonna research their meta and make fake townreads based on that, so i can be seen as town."

Datisi - his posts in the early game feels like he's trying too hard to appear like he's trying.
bugspray - said something weird, but that's not what makes scum.
Question to both Datisi and bugspray: Why is Luca Blight town?

Luca Blight - withholding my read.

Holden - not answering's Madoka's questions properly, but could just be tired.
Question: You really think Datisi was pocketing you?

Madoka - Good questions, but that's not what makes town.
Hiraki - i'm getting some scum-cornered vibes.

George Bailey - pops in and out, had the opportunity to hunt a bit, diasppointed that he didn't. not getting a lot of "excited to know more about the town" vibes from him.

How many scum do you think we have in this setup? Is there a possibility of third-party factions?

I had to stop my catch up because this post feels incredibly scummy due to the nature of being wishy washy filler. This is a lot of words ultimately to call the majority of the reads neutral or conflicted. Allow me to make the synopsis of this post:
Shiki: weak townread
Datisi: scum lean without committing to saying scum lean
Bugspray: scummy but not scummy
Luca blight: pay dlc to unlock read
Holden: scummy but not scummy
Madoka: towny but not towny
Hiraki: actually seems like a scum lean
George: he doesnt seem like town

So 3 are x reasons he backtracks on, 1 is withhold, 2 are scum leans without him actually committing to the scumlean, and 2 can actually be considered actual reads

This shows the problem I have: it feels he was pressured to make content and thus made a list post to make it seem like he was doing so when in fact the majority of it is filler. The wishywashy nature of it was exactly what I had concerns about with Datisi post earlier about setting up ways to push plays as scum. He leaves 6 reads very open where 4 can be considered soft pushes (Datisi, George, me, and bugs) for mislynches later on if those people gain traction let alone the withholding read and the scum lean on Hiriki given him more options.

In short, I think the crusade strangly worked and I feel strong scum vibes from this post.

And to answer HEM question, no, tis a joke as he is the only player I played with.

[HoldenGolden]

Also to HEM before I forget,

Why did you want to build the Datisi wagon over Hiraki?

[shiki]

Are you aware of what an ego post is?

no, i just saw you started your completed games with one.

as far as i can tell, it is basically bookmarking the thread to find it later.

[Datisi]

Are you aware of what an ego post is?

no, i just saw you started your completed games with one.

as far as i can tell, it is basically bookmarking the thread to find it later.

Did you find that out now or at the time of writing 183?

[shiki]

Did you find that out now or at the time of writing 183?

i looked it up after post 185.

[Hiraki]

Ahhh shiiiitttt deus vult mofos, he gets it

[HoldenGolden]

So I ended up just pausing and isoing HEM and now I'm sorta confused.

He has Datisi wagon going but doesnt seem interested in directly pushing her aside from starting the wagon (not asking content driving questions nor and the only interaction I see past that is him defending the wagon and responding to one of Datisi questions which was about RQS).

Yet enters Hiraki and HEM read on him which is a scum lean. HEM seems very much still thinking this is the case yet Hiraki is not included in the wagon discussion where HEM talking about switching to Bugs. Furthermore, it takes an elongated time for HEM to switch to Hiraki. His read on Datisi, by his own admission, is gut read. Yet, he debates with Hiraki about voting him when his read on Hitaki should be more logically stronger (OMGUS, corner scum, etc.)

It all feels very unnatural in the case of a read progression which further supports him being scum. I'm not sure why he engages with Hiraki so much prior to the vote but the only discussion about Datisi is why she is scum rather than interrogating her. It feels more he is worried about the strength of his reads rather than necessarily solving the game (scum wants to validate their reads more since they know its fabricated).

Thoughts by anyone on what I raised so far? I'm on moblie so it's hard to quote the 8 or so posts by HEM that show this.

[shiki]

Thoughts by anyone on what I raised so far?

i take something similar out of these interactions. i do not think monkey wanted to push hiraki, but hiraki kinda forced his hand. it felt to me like he wanted to push datisi, while saving hiraki scumread for later. sowing the seeds, if you will.

[HoldenGolden]

i'm trying to imagine that I'm Datisi, and what can I do early game to make it seem like I'm gamesolving

— but really I'm actually just getting early towncred. His early questions doesn't feel like town trying to find scum. was it the winning exciting narrative that I think would yield productive discussion going in Day 1? Yes. do I strongly believe it? No.

I will say I do understand this suppose approach (as I do tend to try to compare AI points in a person's motive to post along with the content), through my previous points still stand.

Im not sure what to make of hiraki. Tonally I can understand both a case for town and scum with a lean onto town believe it or not. Although bad practice, I was tempted to lump him and HEM together for HEM's non-wanting to push Hiraki despite the read until that interaction. I suck at differing TvS vs SvS (as I think HEM is scum for reasons above) interactions but I am finding it hard to think that the two would interact like that in thread in the case of SvS (even assuming they don't have day talk). Therefore I'm finding Hiraki townie (TL) even if it hinges somewhat on that interaction.

If anyone has a rationale for why HEM is town please speak up.

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Madoka I too would like to hear your reads and all that are not neutral unless there is a good reason you are on the fence for somebody. Especially for the three people you listed.

[Hiraki]

but hiraki kinda forced his hand.

What does this mean?

[HoldenGolden]

Ahhh shiiiitttt deus vult mofos, he gets it

Watch your tongue, Deus Vult Motherfucka is both mine and Samuel L Jackson's line.

Although I would like the discussion on HEM to continue, I am interested to hear your opinions on other players not name HEM. Do you have any since your interaction with Luca earlier?

[Hiraki]

I really didn't like Shiki's posting but I was willing to let it slide after the ego post bit. Not sure after what I posted above.

Bugspray is borderline VI but I've made the mistake of pushing a VI hard when it's really just an "SI" - intentional or not. If there's a slot that I think will cause trouble for the rest of the game, I think it's here - regardless of alignment. NB - this is not a call for a PL.

I don't have any good reads about anyone else atm.

[Datisi]

Luca, do you have any follow-up to 145?

Holden, you fully caught up? opinion on players who are not monkey/hiraki?

Hot Takes: hiraki and holden probably town.

[shiki]

What does this mean?

it means that it felt like monkey wanted to scumread you but make no real effort to push you right then, but you engaged him on his scumread to the point where he could no longer ignore it.