Mini Normal 2130: Mafia From Home [Game Over]

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and if I remember correctly, Luca Blight is a terrifyingly good player.
So some second hand -paranoia will be directed there since Boon isn't playing..

[Anotora]

Initially my knee jerk reaction was why would you town read me not Saudade, but then I figured that normally a claim -> counter claim scenario is typically L-1 on scum, scum make something up, counter claim conflicts it.

Also, if I was scum counter claiming and Saudade flips town mason, then I get lynched straight after, granted that would give scum a couple of night kills, but it means the game would just end up at 2v9 so it makes no sense for me as scum to do that.

This was indeed my thought process. Both of you had put yourselves in position to scum-confirm the other upon death; I saw Saudade claiming Mason early as the more sensible scum play (if your gameplan as scum is to fakeclaim Mason then it's more believable to do so early than it is to do under pressure). Of course, now it's apparent that Saudade is just jerking us around. My hope is to cure that by wagoning him.

[profii]

Saudade is a troll and claims mason at the start of every game

I was just fighting fire with fire to be perfectly honest

[Zantetsu]

I'm glad you rolled town Norwe.

Yes, 7 out of 10 times I think you post this as town rather than scum.

I'm playing this casually so I'll throw a TR already on you. If you're scum I think I'm gonna sense it by some point.

From your PoV, Norwegian already has a 9/13 chance of being town, which is 69.2%. So his "7/10 chance of town" post really shouldn't be moving the needle on your scum read of him. Just saying.

[Zantetsu]

I do think you're being quite aggro in 27, 35, but on the other hand I think you make a decent point in second half of 33.

It's not a big deal but I am genuinely puzzled about what I posted that was "quite aggro".

Maybe you didn't like my tone in 35, insinuating that Norwegian was a bad player? Sorry if it came off that way, I've never played with Norwegian and have no idea if he's good or bad. I just find it interesting when people think that they can rely on past experiences to pin down a player's alignment from just a few posts. To me it's implicitly saying that you can read a player better than they could act to fool you, which is an interesting evaluation to make.

[Zantetsu]

Are the forums soooper doooper slow for everyone else too? Some of my posts don't even seem to be going through ...

[Zantetsu]

Because of my absence, I'm a bit rusty, and I'm not sure I understand the logic of hardclaiming a Mason so early. Would someone mind explaining that to me?

Until I have a better understanding of that

VOTE: Saudade

Is that the third vote on a shitwagon?
VOTE: Riabi

There were two posts on that wagon already though. Why did you pick Riabi to vote? If Riabi hand't voted, would you have voted either of the other players on the sh**wagon? If Riabi leaves the wagon, will you vote one of the other two?

[Saudade]

Saudade is a troll and claims mason at the start of every game

I was just fighting fire with fire to be perfectly honest

Are you the most brilliant player in the table,
Or is it me?

[Saudade]

God this site is so slooooooow

[Saudade]

VOTE: mod im vla until the site works consostantly

[Riabi]

Are the forums soooper doooper slow for everyone else too? Some of my posts don't even seem to be going through ...

It's bad for me as well.

[Egix96]

I do think you're being quite aggro in 27, 35, but on the other hand I think you make a decent point in second half of 33.

It's not a big deal but I am genuinely puzzled about what I posted that was "quite aggro".

Maybe you didn't like my tone in 35,

insinuating that Norwegian was a bad player? Sorry if it came off that way, I've never played with Norwegian and have no idea if he's good or bad. I just find it interesting when people think that they can rely on past experiences to pin down a player's alignment from just a few posts. To me it's implicitly saying that you can read a player better than they could act to fool you, which is an interesting evaluation to make.

Yeah this basically.

Are the forums soooper doooper slow for everyone else too? Some of my posts don't even seem to be going through ...

It's been working fine for me this morning if anyone wants to take this opportunity... *knocks on wood*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because of my absence, I'm a bit rusty, and I'm not sure I understand the logic of hardclaiming a Mason so early. Would someone mind explaining that to me?

Until I have a better understanding of that

VOTE: Saudade

Is that the third vote on a shitwagon?
VOTE: Riabi

There were two posts on that wagon already though. Why did you pick Riabi to vote? If Riabi hand't voted, would you have voted either of the other players on the sh**wagon? If Riabi leaves the wagon, will you vote one of the other two?

I don’t think you get the point. Riabi’s vote was more awkward, while the others were not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i think this site stopped finally stopped being slow.

[profii]

This is a sensible vote

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Riabi]

This is a sensible vote

VOTE: Battle Mage

Do you mind elaborating on your thought process a bit? This seems kind of out of nowhere.

[Looker]

VC when I wake upz

Night nerds

[Zantetsu]

Yeah seriously. Profii keeps making statements and then waiting for someone to ask him to explain before explaining. Like how about saving us all some time and explain yourself at least at a basic level when making your posts Profii?

Also Riabi - Norwegian is not only voting you, he's actively encouraging others to vote you. You have not even interacted with him. Why not?

We're not out of the woods yet on the site slowness yet. It just happened to me again.

[Zantetsu]

VC when I wake upz

Night nerds

I'm trying so hard to be nice. But man the gulf between how I would run a game if I modded it and the modding I get in my games is just ... huge. Nearly every time.

If you want a fantastic mod, try Cheetory6. I would literally pay for modding of that quality. No joke.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Riabi - Norwegian is not only voting you, he's actively encouraging others to vote you. You have not even interacted with him. Why not?

Let me answer for him, it's because being scum is hard.

[Riabi]

Also Riabi - Norwegian is not only voting you, he's actively encouraging others to vote you. You have not even interacted with him. Why not?

What is there to interact with? His argument against me is that I was the third vote on what he called a shitwagon, and then later stated that that vote was awkward without posting any reasoning about why he thinks that. That's super weak.

Other than that, he's mostly made a bunch of off-topic posts about a game that he doesn't name and churros. There's not really much to say to all that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's super weak.

And you're still keeping your vote on Saudade because he claimed mason, even thought it's been established that he does it almost every game as a joke and it usually isn't alignment indicative for him?
What about your reaction to the wagon on Battle Mage? How you feel about that?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Profii

I’m not seeing any drive from him so far.

It feels like he’s doing the bare minimum and not really questioning/sorting as i’d expect him to as Town in this gamestate.

[Luca Blight]

To be fair I think that is probably the most effective way I've seen a game leave RVS

Here he’s sitting back and admiring his work, trying to milk a bit of credit for moving the game out of RVS, but he doesn’t do anything with it. All he says is this:

I believe profii. Easy Day 1.

UNVOTE: Looker
VOTE: Saudade

I've decided I'm going to town read this. It took some consideration

Which doesn’t really do anything to move the game further.

[Luca Blight]

I believe profii. Easy Day 1.

UNVOTE: Looker
VOTE: Saudade

I've decided I'm going to town read this. It took some consideration

Can you explain your thought-process behind this?

Initially my knee jerk reaction was why would you town read me not Saudade, but then I figured that normally a claim -> counter claim scenario is typically L-1 on scum, scum make something up, counter claim conflicts it.

Also, if I was scum counter claiming and Saudade flips town mason, then I get lynched straight after, granted that would give scum a couple of night kills, but it means the game would just end up at 2v9 so it makes no sense for me as scum to do that.

This game theory seems a weird mindset when considering a TR here. For a start it’s obvious and shouldn’t need careful consideration, which also makes it NAI as both alignments are aware of this, outside of the newbie queue anyway. The fact Anotora ‘believed’ Profii over Saudade doesn’t say anything for her alignment imo.

My initial thoughts on Anotora’s vote were ‘would Scum be so blatantly opportunistic’ and ‘would Town or scum be more likely to jump the gun in this instance?’ Etc. I am also leaning Town on that particular post, but I dislike Profii’s reasoning.