Mini 2127 - Fairly Special [Game Over]

[TemporalLich]

VC 1.15

Rabid Schnauzer (3) - momo, mastina, eyestott
EspressoPatronum (3) - Rabid Schnauzer, Titus, gobbledygook
Titus (2) - Churros, EspressoPatronum
Egix96 (2) - Chronos, alimdia
momo (1) - Egix96
Chronos (1) - pisskop

Not voting: Sujimichi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-04-06 07:00:00) or when a lynch is reached.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

I mean like... I used the word NEAR which should be able to explain the proximity to end of day. It's not "We are about to hit the end of day" "End of day is about to happen" "End of day is TOMORROW". We are NEAR the end of day. Which is at 6a.m. on Monday. I don't know about you all, but I am anticipating sleeping between now and then. So like, please, grammar nazi me more?

Really, as has already been noted, whether we're near end of day doesn't seem relevant to you claiming. If it's desirable for town to have that info before N1, why haven't you already given it? Quick lynches do happen you know.

[Churros]

I don't think Rabid is necessarily town. I can see him flipping either way.

Still, I don't get the flashwagon on him in EoD.

[momo]

@alimdia (and mono): I am the ROLE flavorer. My abilities are only to do with your role name.

I don't know if this is because you forgot something or because of malicious intent, but this is a blatant lie. I know this because I didn't get flavor for my role name. I got a role PM as would be expected in any game. I received a flavor message the next day brought to my by the role flavorer. This could be mod error in waiting a day, or it could be that you are lying. Which is it?

Dude, ask literally anyone else and they’ll back me up.



Step one: pregame, everyone receives their role pm, minus flavour. (Including myself)
Step two: I choose everyone’s flavour.
Step three: just before day 1 starts, everyone’s including myself, receives a second pm telling them their assigned role flavour.

Alright, I believe you. The tone of this post comes of as very town and it looks good for you that you didn't change your narrative.

[Churros]

I still think Titus is the most likely scum slot here, but I don't think she is likely a EP partner. I wouldn't say it's impossible though, no one should completely clear her if EP is scum, but yeah I would give her some credit.

Titus scum read on EP seems forced no matter how I look at it, even if I do have to some degree a scum read on Espresso for the way he handled the adorable wagon. Titus hard scum read on him though came way before that and it lacks any kind of real progression or her weightning possibilities. It's just a mindless replay of "EP scum, EP scum, EP scum" with little to no reason even when I tried to interact with her.

Mastina read on pisskop also feels similar. I get thinking pisskop the lurker slot might be scum, I don't get having 100% confidence on it though and keep voting in other wagons. Both Titus/Mastina scum read pisskop and everyone is hedging on the slot being scum, but no one takes the initiative to push him directly?

I don't know yet who I'm going to choose between flipping EP or Rabid if that's how the wagons are going to look at EoD.

I think EP is more useful to keep around if town, but a more valuable flip either being town or scum because in this gamestate. It would also force Titus my main SR to actually stop hiding behind her awful push if he's town, and I will probably reavalueate my read on her if he's scum.

V/LA through Weekend.

[Churros]

I'm gonna leave this here just in case I don't check the game in time

VOTE: Rabid

If it's between EP and Rabid right now I'm choosing Rabid because of his lackluster ISO plus EP is being pushed by the scummiest slot in the table for me.

In hindsight I don't think the flashwagon is bad because regardless of what he flips there's lots of raw info about wagonomics in all major suspects. VCA will look great here for later I think.

[Churros]

To be fair after looking a bit at his ISO Rabid is one of the most high equity scum slots after Titus.

I believe considerably more in him flipping scum than either Adorable or EP at this point.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

To be fair after looking a bit at his ISO Rabid is one of the most high equity scum slots after Titus.

I believe considerably more in him flipping scum than either Adorable or EP at this point.

Hardly. Read my latest scum game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81972

This game is not my scum game. I have multiple scum styles, but they're all better than this.

[Titus]

Ok this is T v S on Rabid v EP, almost certainly. Definitely not S v S. Scum would pick one and paint the other wagon as town given the impending deadline.

Churros might take the place of Gobble in my scumreads. That would make my theory Churros, pisskop, EP.

[momo]

To be fair after looking a bit at his ISO Rabid is one of the most high equity scum slots after Titus.

I believe considerably more in him flipping scum than either Adorable or EP at this point.

Hardly. Read my latest scum game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81972

This game is not my scum game. I have multiple scum styles, but they're all better than this.

I did read that game before I announced my read on you. You certainly aren't playing the same on the most superficial of levels, but tonally, that game is more similar to this one than your more recent town games.

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Either way, here are my thoughts post reading the game (which has been very hard to do because this site just stops working every 10 minutes).

If I get lynched today (and I'll flip town), I'm a little concerned at how many people seem to be scum-reading

Titus

, when she is ridiculously town. Read her first few posts guys. Titus chooses not to RVS, sees BP as real scum, and basically tunnels for the rest of the game. I don't think scum!Titus would do something like that. It's the direct opposite of blending in and isn't at all the kind of thing I would expect from scum.

Most obvious scum read is Rabid Schnauzer.

I looked at their most recent completed game, Mini Normal 2122 (in which they were town)

, and their isos do not read anywhere near the same. I could make my case based on the naked votes (a newish scum player could think they are being smart by pulling the WIFOM obiously scum wouldn't be that lazy), the fact that the tone of their posts does not seem genuine at all (especially when compared to the other game), or the fact that they say "I haven't done a damn thing...Doubt you have a read on me" indicating that the inactivity to prevent a lynch is intentional. EVEN MORE SCUMMIER than that, is the obv!scum post #568. They want the day to end, but won't do anything to move it forward. This pushes the leading wagon (the one currently on me) forward, gives scum a mislynch, but when I flip town, they have to shoulder exactly none of the blame themselves.

The only path forward today is to VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer.

To be fair after looking a bit at his ISO Rabid is one of the most high equity scum slots after Titus.

I believe considerably more in him flipping scum than either Adorable or EP at this point.

Hardly. Read my latest scum game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81972

This game is not my scum game. I have multiple scum styles, but they're all better than this.

I did read that game before I announced my read on you.

You certainly aren't playing the same on the most superficial of levels, but tonally, that game is more similar to this one than your more recent town games.

Two possibilities:
1. You're lying. It's unlikely you read both a town and scum game of mine, mentioned the town game by number and said it didn't look like this one, but didn't mention that you had read a scum game and found the scum gamer tonally similar to this game.

2. You actually did read the scum game before announcing your read, but purposely didn't mention it because you knew it didn't support your narrative.

[momo]

2. You actually did read the scum game before announcing your read, but purposely didn't mention it because you knew it didn't support your narrative.

But it does support my narrative. I didn't want to create a larger text wall because I knew it wouldn't be read. I also knew that I would need some new evidence for when you inevitably tried to deny your scuminess. I didn't read that game because it was your latest scum game. I came across it after searching for the word "fuck" in your site posts after seeing you use it here. Using profanity on a slow style message board is a conscious choice, and is generally representative of someone's mentality.

To clarify, I'm not particularly for or against the use of profanity, but it can be viewed to judge someone's mental state in a game of mafia. The accompanying tone in this game is very similar to your scum game. It's flippant, but features noticeably increased activity when under pressure. There are question, designed to come of as a town player scum hunting, but they are one liners that represent limited commitment. The parallels between the two games are impossible to avoid, no narratives are necessary.

[gobbledygook]

Extra extra read all about it!

Ep scum game hot off the presses!

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82341

[EspressoPatronum]

Why are you voting EP?

Titus made a good case.

What exactly do you find compelling about the case?

Three things:
- Fence riding on Adorable
- Role fishing on adorable
- Calling Titus's observation of such as mischaracterization

Also, what is your answer to 486?

You seem to think that 408 and 446 make you look good. They don't. They look to me like scum setting up to make a vote down the line without committing to a push

now

.

"I'm willing to swap to the Adorable wagon. I'll wait until after her claim before making it official."

That's scummy af.

It feels like you didn't read the entirety of my 486 mischaracterization post. That or maybe you skimmed it.

I wanted Adorable to claim if her wagon got larger. I asked the same of you before swapping, too. If Titus' wagon got bigger after my vote, I would have asked her to claim as well. Calling that role fishing is inaccurate.

408 and 446 are two of several examples to show how Titus' post mischaracterized me. I understand that my willingness to consolidate on wagons has been viewed as scummy before (eg. mainstream mafia II), but that's not what those posts were meant to address. 406 and 446 specifically show that I was asking Adorable to claim before I committed to lynching her. Titus made it seems like I changed my mind between 406 and 446, which is a mischaracterization.

[EspressoPatronum]

Extra extra read all about it!

Ep scum game hot off the presses!

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82341

As an important note -- this is a scumgame with me as mafia and

several

other scum factions. My scumhunting is genuine throughout most of the game.

The true scumminess came out after Kerset dayvigged CSF + I thought I was the last scum remaining.

[EspressoPatronum]

VOTE: EP

Et tu, Brute?

[pisskop]

im home, but I have a bank account to beat up. im locked out.....

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: EP

Et tu, Brute?

[EspressoPatronum]

VOTE: EP

Et tu, Brute?

What part of recent events made you change your vote onto me?

Was it the conclusion of the Greatest Idea IX game?

[mastina]

you know i've seen like so many town ppl like rabid who basically do nothing but are town.

Sure. But,
1: Town players having done it does not mean it is not a scummy-as-fuck tactic. Being a lurkfuck is pro-scum. Doing nothing, being passive, being a lurker, gives the town no information to work with, and this is a particularly good thing for the scum when we have town players who insist on lynching for information rather than just lynching to hit the players most likely to be scum. (Not gonna name names. )
2: In the case of Rabid specifically, it is his scum meta--doubly so now that I know that he's an alt of Persivul.

I am intimately familiar with Persivul's meta as both town and scum.

This is his scumplay through and through.
This is also the scumplay of Rabid, as others have demonstrated, so it can't be attributed to Persivul playing on a different account. His play is identical to scumgames on Rabid and nothing like towngames on Rabid.

Momentum is BS. if you vote egix that has momentum too

Oh?

VC 1.14

Rabid Schnauzer (5) - momo, gobbledygook, mastina, eyestott, Titus [L-2]

Egix96 (1) - Chronos

Do tell how a player with one singular vote (who I am not scumreading) would have momentum behind it.
The fact that Rabid's wagon has gotten to L-2 is proof enough that it

does

have momentum.

This is an unsatisfying progression coming from that whole wallcase you made on Adorable.

I can explain it very very very simply.
I only have one vote in the game--one vote. I can only vote one player at a time.
There are three scum in the game--three, not one. I can only vote one scum player at a time, in spite of there being three of them. I can, and have, been casing on all three, applying pressure to all three, but votes are the strongest form of pressure and I only have one to use between the three of them.

Refusing to budge my vote on one scum, when there are two other scum, is a good way to guarantee that,
1: I am accused, unjustifiably, of tunneling in on a single player,
2: And preventing us from lynching a player who is actually scum, because if I am dividing the votes between the scum player of my choice and the scum player of the rest of the town's choice, then the town is divided between two scum candidates resulting in neither getting lynched at the end of the day.

Thus.

I need to be willing to compromise, be fluid, be willing to switch my votes between those scumreads.

Moving my vote off of them doesn't mean I don't think they're scum--it means that I think someone else who is scum is more likely to be able to be lynched.

So I see, you DO actually think p*kop is scum, and it wasn't just something you said to get a rise out of him... Perhaps if you had made that clear in the first place then the momentum might have been there. Just saying.

Mate if you thought I was saying that to get a rise out of him that's on you, not me, because I made it crystal clear that I was scumreading pisskop for real--the BP slot was always in my POE pool, and then pisskop replaced in and did fuckall of nothing.

Seriously, try an iso of pisskop and see what he's done this game.

Literally nothing.

How often does that D1 flash wagon hit scum? Less than random I'd bet.

Nice try trying to dismiss the wagon on you as a flashwagon rather than a wagon on a player who has been a scumfuck.

I'll be off tonight.
willing to hammer rabid

Yuck. Seriously reconsidering my rabid vote here.

Titus, "I'm willing to vote X" isn't them actually voting X.

It is the quintessential scum distancing without bussing maneuver.

pisskop isn't actually voting Rabid nor will pisskop be likely to. It's a move designed to do precisely what you're doing--to make players chicken out from wagoning because they think that the 'willingness' to join makes the slot being wagoned not scum. It's literally scumplay 101.

Mastina read on pisskop also feels similar.

Churros, serious question.

Have you played with pisskop before?

If you had, then you'd INSTANTLY know, instantly, that this is not pisskop as town. pisskop as town is night and day different from his play this game. The pisskop I know is not a fucking lurksack that does fuckall--yet that is

precisely

the contributions he has given this game.

ANY player doing what pisskop has done would be suspicious--it being PISSKOP having done it, just cements it, reinforcing that it is just pure scumplay on his part.

I get thinking pisskop the lurker slot might be scum, I don't get having 100% confidence on it though and keep voting in other wagons. Both Titus/Mastina scum read pisskop and everyone is hedging on the slot being scum, but no one takes the initiative to push him directly?

As I explain above--I only have one vote. I can't vote all of momo, pisskop, and Rabid at the same time. I have to choose where to vote between the three, and I am doing my best to take my best educated guess, as to which of the three is the slot which is best to place the vote on.

The wagon on momo has faded to be nonexistent--voting there feels like it'd be a vanity vote, not doing any good.
pisskop doesn't have any votes--voting there would be a vanity vote, not doing any good.
I can't push all three hard at the same time. Believe me I want to, but I can't split the town. I need to try and focus the town on one of them.

Though on that note.

I'd like a claim before we get any closer to hammer range though.

Just going to point out:
We wagoned Adorable up to L-2, and then, we let the slot off the hook without claiming.
We wagoned Rabid up to L-2, and then, again, we are potentially risking letting the slot off the hook without claiming.

Later into the game. On D2, D3, D4.
Y'all are going to look back on that situation and go.
"Why the fuck didn't we force them to claim."

[pisskop]

ok.

bank account punched. something something corona virus

[EspressoPatronum]

[...]
Though on that note.

I'd like a claim before we get any closer to hammer range though.

Just going to point out:
We wagoned Adorable up to L-2, and then, we let the slot off the hook without claiming.
We wagoned Rabid up to L-2, and then, again, we are potentially risking letting the slot off the hook without claiming.

Later into the game. On D2, D3, D4.
Y'all are going to look back on that situation and go.
"Why the fuck didn't we force them to claim."

Agreed. I support people claiming, but I'd like to get the claims before hammering is a real threat. I'm not sure why the wagons dissolved so quickly at L-2.

Given the setup, we'll probably just do a massclaim by the time we get to that D3/D4 point.

[EspressoPatronum]

VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer

Back to L-2. I will reassess my vote after RS's claim.

[pisskop]

Okay, I keep not wanting to do this.

VOTE: Rabid

Do a claim

[pisskop]

VOTE: mastina

please vote me mastina, so I can defend myself against you!

-Q

First, SPQR is all the the avatars listed?