mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alchemist21]

AURO

[OkaPoka]

luna ur in no danger today

[Luna Fox]

luna ur in no danger today

Doesnt matter if it's today or later, i dont like efforting a game just to end up being scumread anyway in the end, that's what happened in Baton Pass and im not living through that again.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie if someone had like a super claim to show that this setup isn't actually possible they would claim or they have a reason to be sitting on the info

Yea that's sort of the point

If the prs are town as claimed then scum already know who to kill / rb... there arent a whole lotta roles more relevant than gunsmith and doctor.

[Eddie Cane]

luna ur in no danger today

Doesnt matter if it's today or later, i dont like efforting a game just to end up being scumread anyway in the end, that's what happened in Baton Pass and im not living through that again.

Being scum read is a compliment.

[OkaPoka]

luna ur in no danger today

Doesnt matter if it's today or later, i dont like efforting a game just to end up being scumread anyway in the end, that's what happened in Baton Pass and im not living through that again.

thats like saying there is no point in going to Paris because we are all going to die in the end

[Luna Fox]

Eddie if someone had like a super claim to show that this setup isn't actually possible they would claim or they have a reason to be sitting on the info

I mean, the info i have might be bad for whatever you have planned.

[northsidegal]

Sigh.
If people are just gonna ML me at some point im just gonna go back to no effort and joking around.

don't get me wrong, you are one of my townreads, i guess it's just that i feel like my reasons are stronger for my other townreads.

as long as i'm alive and nothing changes, i'm going to try to avoid your lynch.

[Comical]

Look, NSG is even getting ready to setup LF as the compromise wagon

[northsidegal]

haha, that's so completely disconnected from the reality of what anyone is saying.

[OkaPoka]

how is LF a compromise wagon

a compromise wagon would probably be in the auro/alch dynamic

[Comical]

That’s a main wagon

[Comical]

Or level 2 at best. Then we have the level 3 wagons like you and maybe penguin, then the level 4s in Luna Fox

[OkaPoka]

oh i see what yall mean when you say level 1,2 ,3

its the brain meme ahh its ironic

[northsidegal]

honestly it sort of baffles me when people accuse others of "setting X up" where X is mislynches or wagons or whatever and they're talking like 50 pages in advance, when i feel like real reads shift suddenly and without that kind of narrative foreshadowing. like, i'm really setting excuses up for myself after a mislynch by saying "50%" in like my fifth post after replacing in, auro? i'm really setting up a luna fox wagon? for what century?

[northsidegal]

certainly some scum players leave things open for themselves when they know that they'll need to last a long time, but i suppose my point is that i think people tend to overestimate the degree to which both scum plans their reads in advance. i think people tend to overestimate the degree to which scum plan anything, actually.

[Luna Fox]

certainly some scum players leave things open for themselves when they know that they'll need to last a long time, but i suppose my point is that i think people tend to overestimate the degree to which both scum plans their reads in advance. i think people tend to overestimate the degree to which scum plan anything, actually.

Hey this is something I 100% agree with.
Since im one of those people that as scum never plans anything.

[northsidegal]

right? very often people seem to have these grand ideas about what scum is doing in their PT or whatever, and then when you check it post-game it's something like "he looks pretty towny, let's kill him".

granted, it's obviously a person by person thing, but still.

[OkaPoka]

its more fun to fantasize going up against criminal masterminds of the Corleone family

nobody cares about the story about how you beat up a few team rocket grunts

[northsidegal]

of course, one might say that it's better to overthink when there isn't a scum plan than to underthink when there is a scum plan, but i'm not sure that's actually true. overthinking a lack of a scum plot in a game like mafia can, i feel, be just as dangerous as underthinking a real scum plot.

[Auro]

Luna, who are my partners?

Why do people like asking this question.

Because it gives people insights into your thoughts?


Honestly, I wouldn't give too much of a shit if I got lynched after making effort. I do so because I have fun doing it, not as a responsibility towards winning.

Why even play the game if you default to not wanting to make an effort because people will eventually scumread you? It's on them for misreading you when you play a transparent and sincere towngame.

[Auro]

like, i'm really setting excuses up for myself after a mislynch by saying "50%" in like my fifth post after replacing in, auro?

It's a guarantee that you push mislynches. Why is it a bad idea to set a baseline for play upon reasoning that lets you escape BoP easier later?

I don't think that's comparable to accusing you of setting up LF as a future mislynch.

[northsidegal]

regardless of whose fault it is, it certainly feels worse to get lynched after trying your hardest as opposed to if you didn't put that much effort in.

it feels much worse to fail at anything after giving it your all than if you didn't try. this is why it's sometimes scary to really put your all in to something. it's more comforting to just never put your all in, because then you never have to worry about being badly burned.

[Luna Fox]

Because it gives people insights into your thoughts?

Well my thoughts usually never go further than "What this guy is doing looks scummy" or "This guy is scumreading me" or "This guy is voting me".
Usually only lategame i end up figuring out things like what has happened throughout the game that led to a certain gamestate, but earlygame i just dont pay much attention to it because i have a hard time figuring out what scum is doing or not doing with their partners and non partners specially without a scum flip.

So the answer would be: i dont know.

[Auro]

I understand, but I don't see why that also means you complain at even the idea of being scumread (or not being strongly townread), and refuse to make any effort at all and skate by.

Okay, Luna. What did I do that looks scummy? Are you comfortable exploring that in detail?