Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[Hiraki]

The question was clearly to get Datisi's opinion on his current state, it didn't even come across as opportunistic. It feels like you're defending Datisi when he isn't even being attacked. Which is why being aggressive is relevant to the scumtell.

So let's be clear here - you think I'm starting to put in seeds to SR Datisi then I decide to defend Datisi based off of something you're saying is weird and isn't worth it? Does that make sense or are you just saying that I'm making terrible moves in this game?

Like, your point for not liking Luca's conversation is that he has no grasp on Datisi's meta and that he shouldn't comment/ask about it?

Because you're trying to metaread someone that you clearly cannot metaread very well and you were tetering on trying to call them scum based off of that. You can say that "oooohhh noooooo I was just trying to figure it out!" but talking to someone about their meta is about the worst way to figure someone out using their meta. This is something that was clearly shown through your conversation.

Are you even reading the thread?

[humaneatingmonkey]

sup guys a lot has happened and im gonna catch up later

[Datisi]

That hiraki wagon is godawful goegr what are you doing

[Datisi]

Please do elaborate

and also give reads on other players n stuff

[Datisi]

Yall talk shit about bugs wagon being scum motivated but if hiraki is town there is at least one wolf on him

Discuss

[Datisi]

let's try to squeeze some beetlejuice

georgeeeeeee what are your readsssssssss

[GeorgeBailey]

George, what's your read on Shiki and Hem? What do you think of Shiki's case on Hem?

I'm townleaning Shiki, and null reading Hem. I'm nullreading him right now because he does scummy stuff like: his reads list. Holden made a good point that his readslist was mostly wishy washy. But I think his argument against Haruki was town. As for Shiki's case.... What case? Shiki said she's voting Monkey right now because he's not replying to her question. I mean, I like the push.

So let's be clear here - you think I'm starting to put in seeds to SR Datisi then I decide to defend Datisi based off of something you're saying is weird and isn't worth it? Does that make sense or are you just saying that I'm making terrible moves in this game?

Yes on the first part, you were insinuating you were going to SR him, then backpedaled when everyone was like "what's your problem?" and attacked Luca instead. I'm saying you shifted gears after the attention was put onto you.

That hiraki wagon is godawful goegr what are you doing

My destiny

Yall talk shit about bugs wagon being scum motivated but if hiraki is town there is at least one wolf on him

Discuss

What makes you say that?

[GeorgeBailey]

I am leaning scum on bugs. I agree with all of the reasons Datisi has put forth.

Has your read on Bugs changed at all?

[Datisi]

What makes you say that?

the people voting him are {bugs, monkey, george}

• monkey had some questionable posts but it's pending on what he puts out when he returns
  
• i think i've already said why i think bugs is scum, plus the vote on hiraki with no follow up even when prodded is Bad(tm)
  
• george's vote seems to come after intentional or unintentional misreps and/or misunderstandings, the hop on seems wolfy, and the fact that they don't really seem to comment on bugs which has also been a major plot point so far is not giving me a good feeling

so yeah. the wagon is horrible. if hiraki is town and all three of you are town too i'm eating my scarf.

[Datisi]

georgeeeeeee what are your readsssssssss

you keep prodding like "has your read on bugs changed" but you never gave your own other than "the shitposting is not in scumrange"

[GeorgeBailey]

plus the vote on hiraki with no follow up even when prodded is Bad(tm)

I mean Bug did follow up, their answer was...well.. Not the best i'll admit.

Why Hikari?

his vibes feel weird to me

I was initially townleaning bugs for meta reasons from the time they were scum. I provided a post from that game for comparison earlier too. I think they're null now but I don't feel uncomfortable joining a wagon with them right now.

[Datisi]

his vibes feel weird to me

Can you give an example? Also what happened to your Datisi read?

i don't think there was a follow up to this. i'll admit to being wrong if i missed it.

also, wasn't that bugs' first scumgame? saying someone's towny because their play is very (maybe debateable) different to their first scumgame is p bad reasoning. i'd be locktown every single game i play by that criteria.

[Hiraki]

you were insinuating you were going to SR him

If I was going to SR him, why wouldn't I just do it? It's Page 3. What am I supposed to say? Here's my 50 page long post on why X is scum?

then backpedaled when everyone was like "what's your problem?"

Actually, upon a re-read, I don't like 90% of Datisi's posts and I'm not sure if it's worth a SR or if it's just me being a little cranky at 1:30 AM.

So, first off, no - I didn't even insinuate that I was going to SR him. I actually said that I'm not sure why I don't like them but I had a bad feeling about them. If you want to compare to anyone else here, you can call it a "vibe" which you've been more than okay with considering your other posts. But let's keep going on.

You wanna talk about it?

The person who I called out rightfully called me out.

This is a blitz game. If you don’t like something then fire away.

Luca's calling me out here but not in a way that you're insinuating. He's just asking me to backup my position.

Perhaps later. Just throwing some bait in the water. I could just not enjoy your posting style either which will make things difficult.

So if

everyone

includes one other person and the person that I was ready to fight, then yes - you are saying that I made a stupid move and backpedaled on it 2 posts later rather than the reality of the situation that I posted it at 1:30 AM and just wanted to throw something out there for discussion that I then realized would not be very good.

and attacked Luca instead.

Which - if you're going to bring this up - is

completely

ironic when talking about me and Luca's conversation where I thought he was setting up a Datisi scumread. When I asked him about it, he didn't say no after a few posts, he said he was trying to figure out. I then went into the way he was figuring it out and still believe that it was fabricated, if not fake.

Meanwhile, your argument stems on the fact that I was going to do that but I didn't. Is that really a scum move or a town move? Taking something back that you don't fully believe? Even furthermore, let's assume that your incorrect reading of the thread is correct. Is it really a scum move to back down on a point that "everyone" disagrees with? I don't really think so. But now I'm not sure if you're willfully or unintentionally not reading the thread correctly.

[Luca Blight]

I’m lacking motivation for this right now.

I’ve skimmed through and nothing has changed regarding my Bugs read - nothing they’ve said strikes me as Town at all and it remains my preferred lynch by far. I don’t see any real solving or scumhunting from them.

I agree with Datisi that the Hiraki wagon is bad. Although i disagree with some of his takes, I don’t see any scum motivation behind what he’s doing.

Datisi is probably Town, but i will allow for some paranoia there.

Holden seems fine. I can see his points against Monkey and i somewhat agree with them, i just don’t really feel strongly about Monkey!scum right now. I still need to iso Monkey and I’ll do that soon.

Neither Shiki nor Madoka have made much of an impression on me so far.

My current guess is a Bugs/George scumteam.

[shiki]

Bugs, what do you think of Shiki's case on Hem?

What do you think of shiki's case on humaneatingmonkey (hem)?

George, what's your read on Shiki and Hem? What do you think of Shiki's case on Hem?

madoka really cares about this, specifically. i can't think of any obvious scum motivation for this sort of fixation so i'm inclined to townread it. the only things that give me pause about her slot so far are that holden encouraged hiraki and i to move our votes:

Hiraki, If you agree with me about the points I made with HEM, why are you voting still for Luca?

Shiki why is your RVS vote still up?

while not addressing madoka's lack of a vote so far and the general awkwardness of the interactions between holden and madoka especially with regards to the colors. it is possible holden simply encouraged hiraki and i to move our votes because he assumed we would both move onto monkey and wanted to provide additional pressure there.

A CRUSADE FORMS!

Spoiler:

Deus Vult Comrade!

In our most hellish sanction of viral quarantine of trepidation, we must steel ourselves against the tide of night-lurking mobsters who cling to the shadows like an unforeseen disease. Listen to me brothers, for together we shall purge this influx of HEATHENS by our combined shining light of towniness.

This promise of honor, tradition, and questionable moral reasoning of murder is one I plan to hold accustom to within the deep fabric of my pulsing heart. It is with a strong sense of self-rightness that I, De pope de pope HoldenGolden, thou does point thy finger, of most divine authority and power, at humaneatingmonkey. The morbid delicacies that thou does't feast upon, indicated in the scripture of his username, is indisputely akin to the murdering of sc-HEATHENS!

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

Applications for my crusade against the darktimes are open! Please have at least 3 years worth of crusading experience and utter holy proficiency with Microsoft excel.

when (before/after receiving your role pm, etc) did you plan/write this? was monkey always the target of your crusade?

Yall talk shit about bugs wagon being scum motivated but if hiraki is town there is at least one wolf on him

Discuss

the people voting him are {bugs, monkey, george}

monkey had some questionable posts but it's pending on what he puts out when he returns
i think i've already said why i think bugs is scum, plus the vote on hiraki with no follow up even when prodded is Bad(tm)
george's vote seems to come after intentional or unintentional misreps and/or misunderstandings, the hop on seems wolfy, and the fact that they don't really seem to comment on bugs which has also been a major plot point so far is not giving me a good feeling

so yeah. the wagon is horrible. if hiraki is town and all three of you are town too i'm eating my scarf.

everyone (other than madoka) who isn't on hiraki is already on someone (bugspray or monkey) on the hiraki wagon. i think george's move from one wagon to another would make sense if the third wagon (monkey) was on his partner.

They're teetering, but not enough to be in their sum range.

in the same way i am very wary of monkey scumreading hiraki but not pushing him, i am very wary of anyone townreading bugspray but not giving any solid reasoning for doing so, especially given the way they seem to be read by the rest of the game so far. i think any scum familiar with micro 911 would be tempted to keep them alive until endgame.

where was it shown i deadass did not see

is there a reason none of your sentences begin with capital letters this game? is it a mobile vs pc thing or does your variance in other games (and not this one) have another explanation?

[shiki]

pushing into overdrive because the activity level of this game is so low. blitz games shouldn't have less content than other games; the same amount of content should be produced in less time. forcing town to make less informed decisions is not town beneficial behaviour.

in some other social deduction games (resistance, jackbox 6 push the button) players are sent on missions to help determine their alignments. i have a lot of time right now (weekend!) so i am currently accepting any and all quests. of course, a vital part of these quests will be to help me determine the alignment of the quest giver, as well as anyone affected by said quest.

[HoldenGolden]

Prod dodging at the moment; be on once company is gone

Pedit @shiki
Ok about the colors? Dont know how my conditions impacting my ability to read font colors on this site impacts the game but sure.

The crusade post was planned before role pm. The target of it, monkey, was somebody I just pulled out of the player list for a RVS.

And yes, I want more pressure on HEM while also trying to gague your two committment to the read. Additionally we are moving towards more serious gameplay. I've been doing it to other people too by asking others their view on HEM for the long game.

Luca, same question I had eariler. What gave you that intial town read on monkey?

[Datisi]

Ok. @shiki Do you think George/bugs interactions are necessarily town!bugs scum!george indicative?

Also, your reads in general?

[HoldenGolden]

pushing into overdrive because the activity level of this game is so low. blitz games shouldn't have less content than other games; the same amount of content should be produced in less time. forcing town to make less informed decisions is not town beneficial behaviour.

in some other social deduction games (resistance, jackbox 6 push the button) players are sent on missions to help determine their alignments. i have a lot of time right now (weekend!) so i am currently accepting any and all quests. of course, a vital part of these quests will be to help me determine the alignment of the quest giver, as well as anyone affected by said quest.

So you want to generate AI content by detailing town from playing mafia to play quest that you, I'm guessing, make? All in part because activity is low?

I cant say much because I wrote gay erotica with the player list to incite fame discussion, but I dont see how that helps.

[Luca Blight]

yeah i'm just doing this

VOTE: Hiraki

i don't like how you're trying to pre-empt my slight scum impression on you by making it so that it's "scummy" to vote you. That's a level of OMGUS that makes more sense coming from scum.

i don't like typing, and i'd prefer if i'm not hyperactive this game. but i think i have no choice.

your trying to pre-empt a vote from me by saying i'd be scum if i vote you is AI.

i'm now thinking why you had to make me look threatening and intimidating. it could be that your buddies are Datisi or bugspray, and you don't like how they're getting attention.

did i solve it? if i did, please quote this post on end game.

it's either he's diverting attention from a wagon (bugspray), or defending the person i'm trying to start a wagon on (Datisi)

"Sorry if my questions bother you, but you keep saying things that don't make sense."
Even my language? Your questions have answers now. What's on your mind?

I got some townie vibes from these posts.

I don’t agree with his sr on Hiraki, but I can see where he’s coming from feeling that he’s being setup to look scummy if he votes him. His attempt at solving by linking him to Bugs/Datisi also feels townie as I can see why he might think that.

Not a super strong read by any stretch, but I’m much happier lynching Bugs today. Until I see that flip my reads are going to be skewed a bit.

[shiki]

Ok about the colors? Dont know how my conditions impacting my ability to read font colors on this site impacts the game but sure.

it wasn't your inability to read the font color or your stating as much but rather the prolonged and awkward nature of the interactions between you and madoka about them. it didn't feel very natural to me.

Ok. @shiki Do you think George/bugs interactions are necessarily town!bugs scum!george indicative?

Also, your reads in general?

i think it's much more likely town!bugs scum!george indicative than scum/scum indicative.

town - madoka, datisi, hiraki
null - luca, holden, bugspray
scum - george, monkey

So you want to generate AI content by detailing town from playing mafia to play quest that you, I'm guessing, make? All in part because activity is low?

I cant say much because I wrote gay erotica with the player list to incite fame discussion, but I dont see how that helps.

no no, the quests i had in mind were more like 'look for evidence of x' or 'do you agree with x' or 'what changes if x is true'.

[shiki]

or 'i have noticed this but am not planning on researching it further, i will subcontract you to do so'

[Datisi]

everyone (other than madoka) who isn't on hiraki is already on someone (bugspray or monkey) on the hiraki wagon. i think george's move from one wagon to another would make sense if the third wagon (monkey) was on his partner.

in the same way i am very wary of monkey scumreading hiraki but not pushing him, i am very wary of anyone townreading bugspray but not giving any solid reasoning for doing so, especially given the way they seem to be read by the rest of the game so far. i think any scum familiar with micro 911 would be tempted to keep them alive until endgame.

i don't know. regarding the first one, i think the first one could also easily be explained by george seeing that he's still voting bugs and that that wagon is picking up steam and attempting to defuse it.

and george later said that bugs is back to null and that he'd be fine voting there, that to me seems more like a scumbuddy trying to fake trajectory if a bus is needed rather than white/knighting

but all in all bugs to me is scummier than george so

[shiki]

i don't know. regarding the first one, i think the first one could also easily be explained by george seeing that he's still voting bugs and that that wagon is picking up steam and attempting to defuse it.

and george later said that bugs is back to null and that he'd be fine voting there, that to me seems more like a scumbuddy trying to fake trajectory if a bus is needed rather than white/knighting

i think this specific interaction can be explained that way, but do you think bugspray would draw attention to george's absence in thread multiple times as scum partners? i think the rvsing eachother is possible as scum partners because of their familiarity with one another, even having hydraed together.

[Luca Blight]

I kind of read it as ‘fuck, why is my partner not helping me out here’ and Bugs positioning themself where they could bus if required.