Mini Normal 2128: Normal Mafia - Game Over!

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.12

iDanyboy (4) - BBmolla, Titus, Bambi Jay, Espressojet
Madoka (2) - TheTrollie, mavsfan41
TheTrollie (2) - geraintm, Madoka
mavsfan41 (2) - Allomancer, Cat Scratch Fever
Espressojet (1) - iDanyboy

Not voting (2) - bob3141, Morning Tweet

(expired on 2020-04-06 10:34:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Titus, why is IDany scum?

[iDanyboy]

@Bambi Why say you have more time for the game and then ignore the game?
Espresso’s vote on me makes sense if his scum, I can’t see the town him voting me.
Titus’s vote I get prefer he voted Esspresso instead.
BB vote on me annoys me but his almost confirmed town so nothing I can say

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@Cat: so the game you’re referring to, the scum were Profii, BEF, and Aloratom. Other than BEF late in day 1, I actually had none of the scum (aloratom was brought to my attention but I had no prior read of scum for him.) I was the catalyst for the bob3141 wagon that eventually lead him to be mislynched day 1. Other wagons of mine, I had were started against the wrong person. And although wagons against town aren’t necessarily a bad thing as you can read the person and others who jump on it or defend it, that game town wagons were bad. Conversation was hijacked by a certain player and wagons were either not able to fully form OR weren’t allowed to stop. With me picking bad wagons in that game, I wanted to relax that in subsequent games and not be as aggressive. I was all pro-wagon on everyone in that game and it didn’t work out. I think strongly suspecting certain people in that game led me to miss the obv scum. Profii I should’ve figured out when he offered to hold off on aloratom in day 2 for geraintm (who looked very very town) to satisfy another player. But when I saw that, I had already convinced myself Profii was town. So I wanted to relax how I play as it wasn’t until day 3 scum was lynched in that game.

This doesn't adequately explain away your behavior this game

Being wrong in your last game shouldn't stop you from scumhunting. I don't see original thoughts on who is scum in your very wordy ISO - aside from calling a few people town, and townhunting is easier than scumhunting as scum.

It also doesn't explain your shaky trajectory onto Madoka or why you bother writing posts like 478 if you've already decided you're going to vote Madoka.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Mavs, I don't understand. My case directly contradicts Trolleys, so if you don't disagree with it why are you giving weight to Trolleys? Yes it's a theory, but so is Trolleys. The difference is that I

know

Skellen had good intentions so it's not like I'm just pulling it out of a hat.

Do you agree that the posts Trollie quoted above are contradictory?

It's because he's scum!

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Madoka, where did bob's tunnel on MT fall in your horseshoe of tunneling?

[Espressojet]

Who should we vote instead iDany?

[Morning Tweet]

@Bambi Why say you have more time for the game and then ignore the game?
Espresso’s vote on me makes sense if his scum, I can’t see the town him voting me.
Titus’s vote I get prefer he voted Esspresso instead.
BB vote on me annoys me but his almost confirmed town so nothing I can say

Why does town espresso not vote for you?

[iDanyboy]

His had the whole day to vote me but he doesn’t do it till now, I don’t see the town motivation in it with the fact that he had his vote on me the whole day doesn’t sit good with me.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Espresso, MT, Dany - thoughts on my case against mavsfan?

[Morning Tweet]

I think it's a well thought out case but my conclusion upon reading it was simply that mavs is an uncertain player. I might read the game you mentioned though to get a bigger perspective

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It's not just uncertainty tho that is part of it. His uncertainty reads a lot to me like faking progression

[Espressojet]

@dany - time is thinning out my options

@Catscratch - Mavs feels exactly the same as last game I played with him and he was the towniest player in that game. I'd be hard-pressed to vote him today

[Morning Tweet]

478 I think mavs doesn't vote in this post as a joke response to iDany asking him to vote somebody. I think it's feasible for town mav to do this

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I don't think mavs is playing the same game though. I mean, he himself even admitted to as much.

[Morning Tweet]

I'll check it out although I don't *think* I wanna vote mavs today. I also don't exactly wanna vote iDany but I prefer that to mavs

[Cat Scratch Fever]

478 I think mavs doesn't vote in this post as a joke response to iDany asking him to vote somebody. I think it's feasible for town mav to do this

even if 478 did include a vote, it'd be weird.

1. He's asking questions in 487 that seem like he's still trying to figure out whether or not he should vote Madoka

2. He also says he has decided to vote Madoka in a separate post

#1 seems like fake sorting; he's asking sorting questions but he's already decided he's going to vote Madoka anyway.

[iDanyboy]

@dany - time is thinning out my options

What option's? You haven't expressed a single scum read and have had your vote parked on yourself all game.

Espresso, MT, Dany - thoughts on my case against mavsfan?

I'm still unsure of him, one thing I do find weird is that it feels like his making a case for town Skellen and then end with calling here scum, like in one of the posts you linked he says the below. It looks like his reading Skell as town but then concludes she is scum.

he seems to be fixated on Allomancer leading to a wide range of thinking he’s town then thinking he’s scum. I can see town skellen doing this whereas scum Skellen would just be lazy and make a case for a bob vote?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think I'd vote Espresso over Dany.

More votes on mavsfan would be cool and good.

bob needs to come back and find a home for his vote.

[bob3141]

Its my weekend now so ill have time

Got to catch up but my intial feelings last weekend was a slight scum lean on idany. Will have to look at the wagon thats formed so far. To see if still feel is thats still the case

[bob3141]

mm im thinking that germi is scum this game.

Ill have to look at his last game to see any real differences

[geraintm]

mm im thinking that germi is scum this game.

Ill have to look at his last game to see any real differences

Nah, I'm not. I just cant get into this game much at all. I pop in occasionally but I have no strong reads. Last game I was just the focus of way more attention day 1 because of reasons.

[bob3141]

at the moment im think skellen slot was town. Will not be voting there this phase.

[bob3141]

How a question that comes to my mind is this. Did my wagon fall apart because scum wanted their own targets lynched. Were scum trying to encourage both me and some of those on my wagon to go after the same target with them.

[TheTrollie]

Just read these two posts. I think they tell different stories of how she read skell.

Can you spell it out for me?

Yeah sorry actually it's not as in your face as I remembered.

In the first post she justifies Skells behavior by saying that this is all a misunderstanding and that Skells posts on me and then on allo were consistent with one another

in the second one she says she pre-replacing in town-read skell because "Her questioning trolley's Allo read in 121 then voting Allo in 122 indicated that she was playing stream of consciousy and not to make friends."

The second post justifies her slot's towniness by saying that only town would post the inconsistency that she has spent the whole game trying to prove was not actually inconsistent