Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[GeorgeBailey]

f.lux does wonders

[Datisi]

Some three hours.

Do you use blue light filters on your devices? I found that to be the reason for my insomnia previously.

I will have my vote soon.

Either that or something similar. I don't think that's the main cause.

Alright. Just keep in mind that the whole L-1 claim reaction to claim sequence is gonna be difficult on a tight timer, and i hate scrambling around last minute

[Datisi]

Oh ye, the idea that bugs is hiraki's partner seems like an enormous stretch at best,considering how much bugs is pushing him right now (and before).

[Madoka]

George, these were the points by Shiki that I wanted your opinion of:

honestly, my vibe is you're a bit defensive. which is what you're doing now. i'm not hot and bothered about it because it's non-AI in itself. but it's nice to see you react to it because that part's almost AI.

i am very wary of this approach to hiraki. hiraki is repeatedly lynched as town, but not usually on day one. scumreading him but not pushing or voting him until he goaded you into it feels like setting up later actions.

some of hiraki's play here seems out of character (no ego post, not waiting for the game to develop to post much [which is likely explained by this being a blitz game]), but his reactions to monkey's actions seem consistent with past behaviour as town in similar situations. his general unpleasantness is not alignment indicative, as can be determined by even the most cursory of meta overviews.

Thoughts by anyone on what I raised so far?

i take something similar out of these interactions. i do not think monkey wanted to push hiraki, but hiraki kinda forced his hand. it felt to me like he wanted to push datisi, while saving hiraki scumread for later. sowing the seeds, if you will.

What does this mean?

it means that it felt like monkey wanted to scumread you but make no real effort to push you right then, but you engaged him on his scumread to the point where he could no longer ignore it.

[Madoka]

VOTE: Hiraki

I think this is the best chance of hitting scum.

L-1

[Madoka]

I think the team is Hiraki and Luca.

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE: Hiraki

Er, Madoka what about your Bug scumread? Also why are you scumreading Luca?

[Luca Blight]

Trying to catch up but struggling with the site lag atm.

[bugspray]

yeah id like to hear about the luca sr as well considering i and others locktowned him early on
although i locktowned him in my newbie game where i was masons with clidd and then he fucking owned that game as scum so this whole situation is making me feel like datisi in lylo

[Micc]

Votecount 1.09

Hiraki (3) -

humaneatingmonkey, bugspray, Madoka

humaneatingmonkey (3) -

HoldenGolden, shiki, Hiraki

bugspray (2) -

Datisi, Luca Blight

Not Voting (1) -

GeorgeBailey

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-04-05 23:20:00).

[GeorgeBailey]

George, these were the points by Shiki that I wanted your opinion of:

Most of it sounds very in line with my reasoning.

[Luca Blight]

I skimmed through Holden’s Bugs towncase (as I’m running out of time) but I don’t really agree with the points raised:

It seems to be based mainly on the the idea that Bugs would try harder to look good as scum, but I don’t feel as though Bugs is a conventional player and so the generic concepts of what is scummy and not don’t necessarily apply. I realise you don’t care for meta, but all Bugs’ town meta shows them playing in a much more purposeful manner. The singular scum meta that George raised points to Bugs playing a bit more like how they are here.

I think the paranoia part is weak, because it’s really easy to fake on a surface level and the benefit of casting doubt upon George if George is Town is obvious, when from Scum!Bugs PoV there aren’t many alternatives to push.

It’s like on one hand you’re saying Scum!Bugs wouldn’t play so bad, but then saying faking surface level paranoia is beyond them?

[Hiraki]

HEM -> Madoka -> Luca - game ends. George, even though flawed, would have zero reason to unvote as scum. I also re-read Madoka's ISO. Madoka hasn't given an actual opinion on myself or HEM at this point other than saying that my attack wasn't justified and that HEM's case isn't very valid either. Don't know how I missed this the first time but if there's anyone with fake if not zero reads in this game, it's Madoka.

Might be too late of me figuring that out but hopefully everything will just work out.

[Datisi]

I still think Hiraki is Town and I still vastly prefer bugs. If y'all wanna force this dichotomy I'll be voting HEM.

[Luca Blight]

George would have zero reason to unvote as scum?

How about to appear Town? Especially if his partner isn’t in significant danger, then he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by unvoting.

[Hiraki]

I don't think George is capable of that move.

[Hiraki]

Perhaps I'm being fooled by the facade but again, this is a player that I am 99% sure has not read 50% of this game.

[Luca Blight]

I don't think George is capable of that move.

Then I think you’re underestimating him.

Monkey seems townie on p17. No way I’m agreeing to Lynch him over Bugs today

[Luca Blight]

Mod

: any chance of a few hours being added to the deadline due to the lag? I’ll understand if not as it’s a blitz game, but it’s taking 5-10 mins to load a single page at times for me.

[shiki]

how is this scummy though?

it is scummy because why would you not want to push your scumread until later? what is the town benefit of this approach?

no, i think you're right shiki. this pinged me too. Hiraki celebrates HoldenGolden's agreement, but is suspicious of you for having the same reasons he does? It feels like they're opening up for when I flip town and putting the blame on you later.

i think it doubly pings me now because hiraki has accused george of not reading the thread, but perhaps was not reading the entirety of my posts. however, i am also aware that i struggle to effectively communicate and it may be hard for people to understand what i am saying.

Oh ye, the idea that bugs is hiraki's partner seems like an enormous stretch at best,considering how much bugs is pushing him right now (and before).

yeah this ^

VOTE: Hiraki

why would hiraki, as scum with no pressure on him, push someone who vaguely scumreads him but is not acting on that scumread at all into pushing on him and voting? this does not make sense to me.

George, even though flawed, would have zero reason to unvote as scum.

i think the unvote is kinda scummy, if anything. especially since he first questioned bugspray's vote and then madoka's before unvoting, like he wanted a reason to unvote. maybe it was the cumulation of the two, but i think one should have been enough if they were serious doubts. it's both + partner equity for you and possible scum trying to look good in case of town flip to me.

[Datisi]

Luca, what's your opinion on Hiraki?

[bugspray]

okay so i am looking at this diagram and i have NOT SLEPT and its making more sense to me oddly which im taking as a good reaoson to sleep!

[Luca Blight]

Probably Town, Datisi.

[Datisi]

Okay, same. what do we do here?

[Luca Blight]

I’m only interested in Lynching Bugs today.

Both Monkey and Hiraki have struck me as Town at certain times. Nothing Bugs has done has, and it feels as though they’re playing up to being ‘all over the place’ and using this as a towntell. The fact I’ve seen Bugs as town and know they are much better than this makes it seem as though they’re ‘playing dumb’, for want of a better phrase.

There is no good reason I can see not to lynch Bugs here.