Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[Datisi]

actually let's do this.

@shiki @hiraki @george

all of you said you'd maybe be willing to vote bugs. would you please be willing to help us out?

pedit: yes that. thanks. please.

[Luca Blight]

I think Monkey towntold a few times on P17. If I had more time/wasnt phone posting/wasn’t suffering from site lag I’d go into more detail, but his push on Datisi, lack of opportunism on Bugs, wish to 1v1 Hiraki and acceptance of being lynched despite the amount of effort put into his posts seem Town to me.

[shiki]

i will be active at deadline but it is better to do this now than to wait until then:

VOTE: bugspray

[Micc]

Mod

: any chance of a few hours being added to the deadline due to the lag? I’ll understand if not as it’s a blitz game, but it’s taking 5-10 mins to load a single page at times for me.

I'm going to leave the deadline where it is unless there is overwhelming support for an extension. Please let me know by PM.

Votecount 1.10

Hiraki (3) -

humaneatingmonkey, bugspray, Madoka

bugspray (3) -

Datisi, Luca Blight, shiki

humaneatingmonkey (2) -

HoldenGolden, Hiraki

Not Voting (1) -

GeorgeBailey

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-04-05 23:20:00).

[Luca Blight]

Right now I’m TR’ing everyone apart from Bugs, George and Madoka.

[GeorgeBailey]

all of you said you'd maybe be willing to vote bugs. would you please be willing to help us out?

Yeah, okay, sorry Bugs. Yours and Madoka's recent voting on Hiraki is really alarming. If you two are the scumteam then GG.

VOTE: Bugspray

[Datisi]

L-1. Hiraki/HEM, can we get intent? Bugs, can you claim?

[Madoka]

Working at the moment

[HoldenGolden]

I hate pickles

I still stand by my bugs post even with criticism raised by Luca as for example with the paranoid point that I agree it is weak on it's own. But combined with the the other points it paints it still in a townie presepctive.

My issue now is damage control. Despite my read on bugs, I do not envision a situation with bugs bleeding town in any case. The only way I see the thread moving on to those more scummy (ex. HEM were I agree with Datisi points on his latest posts) from them is in their death (assuming no invest. PR).

Out of the other two wagons, I refuse to vote Hiraki. HEM is still my preferred lynch, but I will hammer if needed.

I have studying I need to do since this weekend did not go to plan so I'll be here and there for the next couple of hours

[Luca Blight]

I know you dislike using meta to formulate reads, but when you’re Tr’ing specific things that you feel are Town indicative of that player, then I think you’d agree that meta can play a part in ruling out that reasoning.

this is just my dumb tinfoil brain before i actually do smart analyis but
VOTE: looker kinda feels lowkey lamist in a bad way and also different from the micro noormal where we mislynched thsi player

From a Bugs scum game, showing a similar surface-level paranoia.

[Hiraki]

Out of the other two wagons, I refuse to vote Hiraki. HEM is still my preferred lynch, but I will hammer if needed.

I am also here.

[HoldenGolden]

I know you dislike using meta to formulate reads, but when you’re Tr’ing specific things that you feel are Town indicative of that player, then I think you’d agree that meta can play a part in ruling out that reasoning.

this is just my dumb tinfoil brain before i actually do smart analyis but
VOTE: looker kinda feels lowkey lamist in a bad way and also different from the micro noormal where we mislynched thsi player

From a Bugs scum game, showing a similar surface-level paranoia.

So allow me to discuss this example.

This ISO prior to the post is random shit and apperently there was some plank dude pissing people off (plank from Ed edd and eddie I guess)

This post comes in and while I do concede that it does use tinfoil I do see differences in that game versus here. There, all of it is strictly focused to push onto on Looker. He makes this post and then a longer one latter in that game pushing the tinfoil more onto looker.

Comparing that to here, and their paranoia/tinfoil is much more randomly applied. Without even looking I know they have directed it to Datisi/George/and Shiki. It's not more focused at all unlike the game you quoted.

[Datisi]

Holden, I was playing in that game. You're missing the context.

Bugspray replaced in. At the time they replaced in, it was the second half of Day 1, and the town had already collectively agreed to be lynching between bugs's slot and Looker. They didn't exactly have a choice in who to push.

[HoldenGolden]

Holden, I was playing in that game. You're missing the context.

Bugspray replaced in. At the time they replaced in, it was the second half of Day 1, and the town had already collectively agreed to be lynching between bugs's slot and Looker. They didn't exactly have a choice in who to push.

In which case then it's bad to compare it to here.

Bugs being forced to initiate a read for survival upon replacing in is not applicatible to a game where bugs was in during the whole game. It's going to come off as them sounding unnatural regardless if they do 1v1 and thus bugs really only had the tinfoil option that game.

Here, Bugs throughout the whole game has been dropping tinfoil/paranoia posts before a major wagon had formed on them. You can argue that the stagent wagon posts are in viture similar since Bugs thought they only had a few hours to live. Yet that does not explain the randomist in later application of it later by them.

That also shows a bit more why they are town because then it makes sense why they gave up basically after being locked into the 1v1 while here they are still, while not successfully, trying to solve the game.

[HoldenGolden]

And I say that as someone who despite not having a high game count, has replaced into a highly scummy slot and while not having to 1v1 per say, had to find ways to bleed town which drove me to frabicate more shit on players.

Even with the context and shit, theres a major difference between that games usage and this games usage of it.

[Luca Blight]

Regardless of context, it shows that Bugs knows to manipulate ‘Town paranoia’ as scum.

I don’t know why you think they wouldn’t do it at more ‘random’ times or why that makes it more likely to be genuine. Whether under pressure or not scum have to manufacture content, and that’s one method of doing it that is easy, safe and appears townie.

It feels like you’re setting a ridiculously low bar in your expectation of Scum!Bugs.

[Datisi]

Holden, I was playing in that game. You're missing the context.

Bugspray replaced in. At the time they replaced in, it was the second half of Day 1, and the town had already collectively agreed to be lynching between bugs's slot and Looker. They didn't exactly have a choice in who to push.

In which case then it's bad to compare it to here.

Bugs being forced to initiate a read for survival upon replacing in is not applicatible to a game where bugs was in during the whole game. It's going to come off as them sounding unnatural regardless if they do 1v1 and thus bugs really only had the tinfoil option that game.

Here, Bugs throughout the whole game has been dropping tinfoil/paranoia posts before a major wagon had formed on them. You can argue that the stagent wagon posts are in viture similar since Bugs thought they only had a few hours to live. Yet that does not explain the randomist in later application of it later by them.

That also shows a bit more why they are town because then it makes sense why they gave up basically after being locked into the 1v1 while here they are still, while not successfully, trying to solve the game.

did you like... uhh.... read? their case on Hiraki? tell me that shit is not fabricated to let them survive.

you mean the fact that it's "randomist" makes them town here? the point was that the tinfoil paranoia stuff makes no sense. no matter at how many people it's aimed at.

trying to solve the game. where? they're locked into their hiraki read because of BaD vIbEs from what page 5? they keep repeating about a stagnant/scum motivated wagon while it's obvious that they don't know the application of those words?

pedit: oh hi.

[Madoka]

I'm pretty upset rn for being robbed in George's game.

INTENT

or w/e idrc

[HoldenGolden]

Regardless of context, it shows that Bugs knows to manipulate ‘Town paranoia’ as scum.

I don’t know why you think they wouldn’t do it at more ‘random’ times or why that makes it more likely to be genuine.

Whether under pressure or not scum have to manufacture content, and that’s one method of doing it that is easy, safe and appears townie.

It feels like you’re setting a ridiculously low bar in your expectation of Scum!Bugs.

Yet you are also forgetting scum also has to push mislynches.

You can spout all the tinfoil batshit crazy things as scum to look town, yet if that is not paying off either by town pushing the player you foiling for you or your partner trying to help town focus on a mislynch.

Bugs here is not doing that because every two minutes it's a new idea and new person. There is no plan approached that makes it sound fake to me as if theh were trying to set up something.

Also no, it does not necessarily show that bugs knows how to manipulate it as it could easily be that bugs couldn't formulate an actual read on looker there and if they they had to comment, went with the tinfoil option to actually throw something out. That usage is survival, yet you are raising the point that the tinfoil I that game was to seem town when it's simply not. It was forced by the situation of the game.

I dont understand why you cite a game for meta, then turn around and tell me the context of that game is NOT important. Now I'm questioning if you are actually believing in the point or rather pushing onto me for my town case.

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm pretty upset rn for being robbed in George's game.

INTENT

or w/e idrc

That's a shame, did you have fun at least?


Also, I share the same sentiments with Datisi on Bug's reads right now. Their reasons is extremely vague.

[HoldenGolden]

Holden, I was playing in that game. You're missing the context.

Bugspray replaced in. At the time they replaced in, it was the second half of Day 1, and the town had already collectively agreed to be lynching between bugs's slot and Looker. They didn't exactly have a choice in who to push.

In which case then it's bad to compare it to here.

Bugs being forced to initiate a read for survival upon replacing in is not applicatible to a game where bugs was in during the whole game. It's going to come off as them sounding unnatural regardless if they do 1v1 and thus bugs really only had the tinfoil option that game.

Here, Bugs throughout the whole game has been dropping tinfoil/paranoia posts before a major wagon had formed on them. You can argue that the stagent wagon posts are in viture similar since Bugs thought they only had a few hours to live. Yet that does not explain the randomist in later application of it later by them.

That also shows a bit more why they are town because then it makes sense why they gave up basically after being locked into the 1v1 while here they are still, while not successfully, trying to solve the game.

did you like... uhh.... read? their case on Hiraki? tell me that shit is not fabricated to let them survive.

you mean the fact that it's "randomist" makes them town here? the point was that the tinfoil paranoia stuff makes no sense. no matter at how many people it's aimed at.

trying to solve the game. where? they're locked into their hiraki read because of BaD vIbEs from what page 5? they keep repeating about a stagnant/scum motivated wagon while it's obvious that they don't know the application of those words?

pedit: oh hi.

And did you not read the ridcious amounts of other shit that came before it on different players. Hence why in the last paragraph I said that they are not successfully solving the game.

The last paragraph i talked about in my big post.

[HoldenGolden]

Regardless, the meta point brought up does not apply here given that games circumstances, and if it did, still shows more town!bugs then scum! Bugs. If I need to explain that more then you are lost playing 3d chess while I'm playing a fun game like soccer

[Datisi]

you mean trying to push shiki for reasons i genuinley don't even understand or remember, or pushing george because of not posting? how is any of that town?

ok holden. ok.

[HoldenGolden]

you mean trying to push shiki for reasons i genuinley don't even understand or remember, or pushing george because of not posting? how is any of that town?

ok holden. ok.

I've said that I think logicay they are still scum. My towncase isn't built upon that like I clearly stated.

My is removed from those notions and are built differently. I dont see neither a scum motivation for random shallow pushes with little obvious support assuming sxum!bugs teammate is trying to help them

[shiki]

I'm pretty upset rn for being robbed in George's game. INTENT or w/e idrc

i'm not sure robbed is the best way to describe this. junko was additional member of the scum team despite green pm.