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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:55 am

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In post 498, HoldenGolden wrote:I've said that I think logicay they are still scum. My towncase isn't built upon that like I clearly stated.

My is removed from those notions and are built differently. I dont see neither a scum motivation for random shallow pushes with little obvious support assuming sxum!bugs teammate is trying to help them
where did you say that?

how tf is a hiraki push a "push with little obvious support"? Ok, do you see town motivation for random shallow pushes? Scum motivation would easily be crating content, because scum has to create it.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:00 am

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In post 500, Datisi wrote:
In post 498, HoldenGolden wrote:I've said that I think logicay they are still scum. My towncase isn't built upon that like I clearly stated.

My is removed from those notions and are built differently. I dont see neither a scum motivation for random shallow pushes with little obvious support assuming sxum!bugs teammate is trying to help them
where did you say that?

how tf is a hiraki push a "push with little obvious support"? Ok, do you see town motivation for random shallow pushes? Scum motivation would easily be crating content, because scum has to create it.
The very beginning of the post? Before the observations? Where I say "I dont think traditionally there are any posts that make them town" or something to that affect?

I didn't say it was town motivation directly. I'm saying it is a stupid god damn plan to go around as scum spitting out shitty posts on so many players thus revealing bad analysis throughout since scum also wants to survive. Then to keep throwing in new names once pressure rises on you further makes no sense as scum.

If I have to simpfiy what I view bugs as, it is anti town. Someone who is not showing privilege town behavior despite being town. Hence why I said what I said about damage control and hammering.
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:10 am

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In post 374, HoldenGolden wrote:
As an extension, I will go further to say I do not think that anything that Bug's has posted is townie from logic based perspective.
All of their posts have either left me confused or did not satisfy my curiosity such as when I asked them to provide more credible logic in regards to their reads.
Rather, I think he is town based on observations I see from what they are posting.
you mean this?

ah ok i think i see what you mean.

ye, i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. it doesn't make "sense" as scum to do that. but if you're assuming that scum is always doing optimal/stellar plays is gonna lose you some town games. i've seen scum win games that they had virtually no chance of winning because scum did things that were blatantly shooting themself in the foot fpr the town to go "why would they do that if they're scum??? must be town." and those were intentional plays. players sometimes make bad moves regardless.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:24 am

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In post 502, Datisi wrote:
In post 374, HoldenGolden wrote:
As an extension, I will go further to say I do not think that anything that Bug's has posted is townie from logic based perspective.
All of their posts have either left me confused or did not satisfy my curiosity such as when I asked them to provide more credible logic in regards to their reads.
Rather, I think he is town based on observations I see from what they are posting.
you mean this?

ah ok i think i see what you mean.

ye, i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. it doesn't make "sense" as scum to do that. but if you're assuming that scum is always doing optimal/stellar plays is gonna lose you some town games. i've seen scum win games that they had virtually no chance of winning because scum did things that were blatantly shooting themself in the foot fpr the town to go "why would they do that if they're scum??? must be town." and those were intentional plays. players sometimes make bad moves regardless.
I know, but I think with other points I raised it's more likely to come from town but its w/e. It is agree to disagree. I dont see it ever changing much given bugs posts after my WoT.

In any case, bugs must die before we are/if placed into a mylo or lylo situation due to the ambiguity of the slot much like antitown players in general. Could easily be wrong and they are scum which cool.

Annoying but I dont really see an alternative.
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As a side note since you are on the other side of the fence, how did you interrupt Lucas last post there? I still bugs me that he raises the meta point just to dismiss the context of it, but I admit I may be bias in reading it given my views on bugs
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:29 am

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I guess I can use my super secret 100% correct town test, but seems like a waste for d1 and has been debated to break games
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:33 am

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ok i'm gonna finally ask, what is WoT?
In post 503, HoldenGolden wrote:As a side note since you are on the other side of the fence, how did you interrupt Lucas last post there? I still bugs me that he raises the meta point just to dismiss the context of it, but I admit I may be bias in reading it given my views on bugs
i'm gonna ssume you meant "interpret". i got the feeling you two were talking past each other. Luca was talking about the pure presence of the "towny" paranoia that you seemed to think is town!indicative for bugs. you replied with the two games being different becuase bugs was solely pushing looker vs pushing multiple people here. and then yall started talking about targeting "random players" and "manufacturing content" which i don't think had anything to do with the original point.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:59 am

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In post 500, Datisi wrote:Ok, do you see town motivation for random shallow pushes?
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:00 am

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I'm giving until 7 PM EST before I hammer. That would be the 3 hours before the deadline - excluding if anyone else does it first.
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:03 am

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WoT is wall of text

Hmm, I think that's fair. I think trying to answer yours and his posts back to back may have caused that
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:16 am

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In post 507, Hiraki wrote:I'm giving until 7 PM EST before I hammer. That would be the 3 hours before the deadline - excluding if anyone else does it first.
deadline is 6 hours from now, at 11:20ish pm est. it is possible your calculation is not accounting for daylight savings time.
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:40 am

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I was rounding.
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:40 am

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10 is a nicer number than 11
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:08 am

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Back
In post 456, GeorgeBailey wrote:UNVOTE: Hiraki

Er, Madoka what about your Bug scumread? Also why are you scumreading Luca?
Process of Elimination. I think Luca is the only one that can be partners with either Hiraki or Bugs (and yes I'm aware that Luca has been on bugs, but I think if bugs is scum they are probably being bu
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seed). If I have time and no one hammers, I can go through why I only think Luca can be their partner.
In post 460, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 453, Madoka wrote:George, these were the points by Shiki that I wanted your opinion of:
Most of it sounds very in line with my reasoning.
You're scum reading Hem then?
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:14 am

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In post 469, shiki wrote:why would hiraki, as scum with no pressure on him, push someone who vaguely scumreads him but is not acting on that scumread at all into pushing on him and voting? this does not make sense to me.
Have you only read Hiraki town games? I think this is Hiraki's scum play. He did the same with someone who's name started with an F in the scum game I read. I'll look back if I have time.
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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:15 am

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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:17 am

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In post 469, shiki wrote:possible scum trying to look good in case of town flip to me
I agree with this.
In post 474, Luca Blight wrote:know they are much better than this makes it seem as though they’re ‘playing dumb’, for want of a better phrase
And this.
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:20 am

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In post 469, shiki wrote:
In post 403, humaneatingmonkey wrote:how is this scummy though?
it is scummy because why would you not want to push your scumread until later? what is the town benefit of this approach?
because it was a shallow read and i was less confident in it than my Datisi read, but that was before Hiraki pushed back in a scummy way.
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:21 am

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In post 462, Hiraki wrote:HEM -> Madoka -> Luca - game ends. George, even though flawed, would have zero reason to unvote as scum. I also re-read Madoka's ISO. Madoka hasn't given an actual opinion on myself or HEM at this point other than saying that my attack wasn't justified and that HEM's case isn't very valid either. Don't know how I missed this the first time but if there's anyone with fake if not zero reads in this game, it's Madoka.

Might be too late of me figuring that out but hopefully everything will just work out.
Why Luca?

What's with people suddenly scumreading Luca? Luca's obvtown.
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:24 am

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In post 512, Madoka wrote:Back
In post 456, GeorgeBailey wrote:UNVOTE: Hiraki

Er, Madoka what about your Bug scumread? Also why are you scumreading Luca?
Process of Elimination. I think Luca is the only one that can be partners with either Hiraki or Bugs (and yes I'm aware that Luca has been on bugs, but I think if bugs is scum they are probably being bu
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seed). If I have time and no one hammers, I can go through why I only think Luca can be their partner.
Do you have time now?
In post 512, Madoka wrote:
In post 460, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 453, Madoka wrote:George, these were the points by Shiki that I wanted your opinion of:
Most of it sounds very in line with my reasoning.
You're scum reading Hem then?
George scumreading me does not make sense with him hopping on my wagon on the first time 'round. Something's off with George.
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:27 am

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Honestly I don't really want a bugs lynch and much prefer a Hiraki lynch, but if it's between me and him, I'll choose me everytime. He's obviously anti-town (not synonymous to scummy), and the only reason I want him to stay in the game is I think we can get more solid info as the game progresses. I've had history 1v1'ing VI, and they always turn out to be town.
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am

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In post 480, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 475, Datisi wrote:all of you said you'd maybe be willing to vote bugs. would you please be willing to help us out?
If you two are the scumteam then GG.
This is very suspicious.
In post 494, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 492, Madoka wrote:I'm pretty upset rn for being robbed in George's game.
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or w/e idrc
That's a shame, did you have fun at least?
I'm mostly glad I have all these new totally real recipes to try out :D

Shiki, your empathy made me feel a lot better.

George, I'll get started now, but it's a lot and I have a meeting soon so may not finish.
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am

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That last line was @Hem, not George. I had Curious George in my head.
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:35 am

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Also to answer your question, yes I did cry hard.
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:37 am

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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:01 pm

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if bugs flip scum
Hiraki - town
Datisi - town
Madoka - ?
shiki - ?
GeorgeBailey - ?
Luca Blight - town
HoldenGolden - ?

if bugs flip town
Hiraki - scum
Datisi - scum
Madoka - town
shiki - ?
GeorgeBailey - ?
Luca Blight - ?
HoldenGolden - town

if bugs flip scum, i'm pretty much wrong this entire game.
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